Feds charging 3 people for publicizing where an ICE agent lives. How is that a crime?
What happened to free speech?
I’m charging them with being fucking based as hell
A Jury of your “peers”
How is that a crime?
Nothing this administration does is legal, but they don’t care, and neither do the people who can mete out consequences.
Rule of law is gone. Democracy in the USA ended.
Democracy in the USA ended.
Can’t end something never started.
Unlike all that law abiding stuff other administrations 100% did
To be fair, replace ‘ICE agent’ in that sentence with just about anything else and nobody will bring up ‘free speech’.
Disclaimer: no I’m not pro ICE, I think everyone has a right to not get kidnapped on the streets. I’m not even from the US.
Yeah if you make it about racial/gender based stalking, rather than doxxing a brownshirt, it does seem different.
if you make it about something entirely different then it’s totally different, who’d have thunked it
Who made you the authority on deciding whose information people are allowed to doxx. I agree that ICE are pieces of shit and in this case (same with the DOGE doxxing some time ago) I wholeheartedly agree that exposing them is morally the right thing to do.
Laws hardly care about what is ‘moral’ or ‘good’ though, and it’s better that way because those terms are subjective. A corrupt judge/administration would be able to abuse the hell out of a system where guilt gets decided based on vibes.
So yeah the fact that they’re in trouble for exposing someones personal information is only natural, no matter how much you and I agree that what they did is ‘good’.
A corrupt judge/administration would be able to abuse the hell out of a system where guilt gets decided based on vibes.
yeah nobody in america ever gets convicted based on vibes yup we have justice here
Who made you the authority
I’m a human person, that’s all the authority I need to oppose fascists. It is the right of every person to fight back in any way they have available against evil.
A corrupt judge/administration would be able to abuse the hell out of a system where guilt gets decided based on vibes.
That’s literally what is happening when unidentifiable ICE thugs are allowed to kidnap people off the street and kill those who resist. What point are you making? Aside from you, for some reason, throwing aside morality (very stupid), kidnappings and deportations are literally happening based on vibes. The whole thing is illegal. On top of you being very very dumb for arguing based on legalism, your argument doesn’t even make sense based on legalism.
What are you saying though? You agree that the system cannot provide actual justice, you agree that releasing their names is the moral thing to do. So what are you adding to this discussion? Nobody here is actually surprised. If you thought we didn’t understand that the law is unjust then you are mistaken. People are venting their frustration at the lack of justice, not surprised by it, or suffering some some lack of explanation for why it is happening.
People use the internet to complain about stuff. It’s only natural given it’s a somewhat anonymous forum centered around a critical political ideology.
No you guys you don’t understand! I’m not defending ICE! I’m making a uselessly pedantic point about the mechanisms of our current system!
And before I was just saying that what the lady did was bad if you remove all context!
I’m telling you I don’t support ICE! I probably honestly believe it too!
I wholeheartedly agree that exposing them is morally the right thing to do.
then the law preventing that is immoral and you shouldn’t be defending that law
Read the second paragraph, deciding what is punishable based on ‘vibes’ is a terrible idea
Idk, your vibe sucks quite a bit
Lol you think law is impartial
I know you’re getting a lot of harsh replies, but I hope the dog-piling won’t dissuade you from taking the point that there’s a real, material difference between being a thug whose purpose is to violate the rights and well-being of actual living humans with a shield of anonymity, and just being any random person being stalked and doxxed for any given reason.
I would be thrilled if laws were put in place to protect people and applied evenly - but the reason why your comment is not only useless but also aggravating for those who see the contradictions is that it ignores the actual context in which we’re living, and the mindset behind it serves to justify and uphold a system which punishes and preys upon those who are the most in need of protection.
Doxxing a random person and doxxing gestapo shouldn’t have the same consequences.
In a similar vein: shooting a health insurance CEO isn’t the same as shooting a regular human. One is [redacted] and the other is bad.
i think ice agents should get kidnapped on the streets
that seems high effort, what if they’re just redacted in minecraft on sight instead?
ICE are the only ones kidnapping people off the streets, dumbass.
That’s the point of my disclaimer?
Then why post it at all?
“no I’m not pro ICE, I think everyone has a right to not get kidnapped on the streets. I’m not even from the US”. You’re equating two women posting where a brownshirt lives with kidnapping that ICE themselves literally perform?
tO bE fAiR why’d you leave reddit?
In their defense, it’s sadly not the worst comparison I’ve seen today. That goes to the one comparing Oct 7 to what ice does and then can’t understand why people would call them a zionists
well im anti-ice and i think every member of ice should get kidnapped when they are out on the streets
some kid literally just killed two teenage girls after stalking them for months and breaking restraining orders
ICE deserves worse than being kidnapped from the streets bootlicker
Before the less charitable replies come in I’ll just say
- ICE agents are ostensibly law enforcement yet go to great lengths to hide their identities while carrying out their duties and
- political and media figures or even just ordinary people get doxxed and harassed all the time and their stalkers are rarely reined in.
You’re pro ice
I agree that holds up when you generalize but breaks down with the particulars/context and shows something more as you sort them out. Like yeah obviously a court is going to charge along that reasoning that’s why the DA or whoever brought it to trial.
The issue isn’t weather or not you’re legally allowed to doxx people the issue is: ICE is illegally doing… everything basically. BUT, the law/state seems to only (meaningfully) fix its gaze when people do illegal things back to them. Where does that leave people when they can’t expect to use legal recourse as a check to protect themselves?
I think that’s the most important part of this event imo. Not weather or not we agree or disagree about the legal permissibility of doxxing and who’s “”““right””“” but how the state here is selectively enforcing the law in bad faith to run cover for doing more and more heinous, immoral and nominally illegal things.
You’re absolutely right
It was absolutely criminal how they followed that agent home and revealed their home address… without also filling their house with some sort of noxious contaminant
To be fair, replace ‘pee pee’ in that sentence with just about anything else and nobody will bring up ‘poo poo’.
