lemmy.world is somehow even more reddit than reddit lol

It’s important to remember reddit’s own rise to stardom was off of bad changes made to Digg which the community hated as well as off centralizing and killing off individual niche forums and also it’s free speech absolutism. So it’s not that surprising some amount of people would as reddit calcifies and enshittifies further try and make the jump to yet another alternative. We’ve seen it with kids moving from Myspace to Facebook to Instagram and Tiktok as those platforms become mainstream, become full of adults, clueless and strange boomers, and enshittify in the chase for profits, to say nothing of the web culture impulse of jumping to something different, new and exciting.

To be fair the lemmy devs were trying to grow lemmy as a replacement for reddit and did heavily advertise it not as a Marxist or leftist space but as an alternative ecosystem so we could say it’s suffering from success which is likely necessary. The lemmy devs were not going to keep their nlnet funding by remaining a niche place full of only Marxists forever and if they want to continue getting paid to develop lemmy full time and we want them to get paid a broader base of support was inevitable. At the very least they won’t hardcode in anti-left stuff which cannot be said for the owners of just about every capitalist centralized social media in existence, at best on those they’re just too cheap and lazy to censor the left or anyone else and are chasing growth so much they’ll tolerate anyone who isn’t pushing literal CSAM or ISIS propaganda.

Well yeah but it’s derivative in a way that harms centralised media control.

Becoming less governable is good.

Corporate social media sites are always going to follow a trajectory from vaguely progressive, to “free speech” maximizing, to profit maximizing, to state dept goons on the board, with the only off ramp being if the site implodes before it gets successful enough for the goons to notice. They’re always going to wind up as a nazi bar with pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist bias.

Decentralized sites instead follow some rando admin’s biases. Are the admin’s politics any good? Probably not, most people have shit politics. But a cross section of total randos is still a better diversity of political thought than the repeated systematic trimming that corporate sites have.

Ultimately even shitty people and debate perverts can recognize that it’s better for social media to be built around decentralized, volunteer-run and volunteer-developed FOSS. Whether these shitty people manage to extend their political consciousness around the evils of big tech and proprietary software into a wider critique of our whole mode of production is another matter… Assuming, of course, that they actually have a political consciousness around the evils of big tech deeper than just the fact that Reddit took away their precious third-party apps.

Either way I don’t actually care that much: shitty people are average people, and if average people are giving up Reddit or other centralized social media, then that’s really just a good thing IMO.

the amount of lemmylibs in here with the “everyone there sucks but me” no, you fucking suck too

Yeah, I agree, but most people on places like lemmy.world didn’t come to Lemmy because of ideological reasons but for petty reasons like the Reddit API thing.

Even beyond the user base reddit has built up a lot of suck over the years. Like they have destroyed all the community made reddit clients and moderation tools for no real reason. And the website keeps getting worse too.

And reactionaries had communities deleted on reddit too. I imagine that’s also part of the .world user base.

People don’t to talk to morally superior people, they want to talk to like minded people. And for assholes, that might just be other assholes.

There have been other attempts before lemmy like voat which I would argue was a lot more toxic than .world. Voat was also very expensive to host once their free azure credits ran out.

i don’t share your sentiment. sure i noticed a few dickheads but the main benefit on lemmy is there are no “honestly-potatoes276” type accounts with no post history which flood subreddits with engagement & ragebait.

I insult them every single time I see some shitlib instance with some shitlib opinions like usually feddit.uk or piefed or db0 or etc etc and yeah, I make the exact same point. Why even bother with this shit if you’re just going to be a reddit liberal somewhere else?

Like cool I guess they’re bothered by privacy or reddit corporate policy or something but not bothered enough to actually be critical of their own ideology and develop a coherent worldview that involves abolishing whatever system results in all that (capitalism) so like FUCK OFF BACK TO REDDIT LOSER

well actually have you considered that-

Yeah I got nothing, you are entirely correct

You’re disappointed but what were you expecting?

it is a decentralized floss software of course all people will use it. enforcing anything about the userbase is incompatible with the floss licenses.

You think it’s “pointless” but what kind of “point” would you be looking for?

I don’t use Reddit, and I never properly used Reddit other than looking up answers, Lemmy was my first Reddit experience and actually having my comments read and replied to feels good

I’m not sure the point of Lemmy was to magically make people more tolerable. Yeah, Lemmy is filled with the same libs, but it also

• (For now) has significantly fewer bots
• Isn’t directly controlled by the USA Govt, thus leading to
• Less censorship and
• Less surveillance
• Doesn’t have ads
• Allows people to freely fork and migrate if they hate their instance
• You get the idea

Does Lemmy cure all people of all their wrong opinions? No. But we have had a decent number of converts on Hexbear because the reduced lib control meant that people were exposed to communist viewpoints and actually listened. That couldn’t happen on Reddit, and as we know, even if it did, Reddit would just shut down any comms therein.

So the “point” as I see it, if there is such a thing, is to actually allow free communication of ideas in a way that is significantly less US-controlled and thus allows the proliferation of leftist ideas and discussion. Or at the very least improve peoples’ standard of living by way of more privacy, more control, less bot propaganda, and fewer ads. Not to be a magical lib instant de-brainwashing device.

well alot of the appeal of sites like this is the decentralized nature which is popular among privacy/open source nerds. You know the linux user types. lemmy is supposed to just be open-source decentralized reddit derivative. Rather or not it’s pointless really depends on the instance (privacy/closed source concerns not withstanding). There’s also the flipside where ther’es people who are too fascist for reddit to stomach them. Historically though those people have mostly made thier own websites, like r/femaledatingadvice (though they weren’t techincally banned i think they left out of fear being banned though) and r/incel or just died/got absorbed into less extremist out. When you have a site who’s main purpose is to be a place for people who are dissatisifed with reddit for various reasons. It tends to be similiar to reddit. lemmygrad/hexbear isn’t evne that dissimiliar to socialist subreddits. Though with deprogram has done heavy damage to that ecosystem. I’m not sure what you are expecting it’s like expecting revolt userbase to be radically different from discord userbase. At the end of the day it’s an open source decentralized version of reddit it’s not going to be radically differetn from reddit.