i gave cyberpunk2077 another shot after hating it at launch because multiple people pestered me about it for two years. i was repeatedly told of my lengthy list of criticisms, “they fixed all that, it’s like a totally different game now”.
10 hours later it’s clear that they’re either:
a) delusional b) liars c) literally cannot hear criticism of the game being spoken aloud
because that shit was 99% identical to at launch, bugs included. the difference between the game that people keep describing to me and the game in front of me is so stark that i’m fucking baffled. it’s like it’s a cult or something.
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There are a lot of issues with it still, like, I like it, but so much lost potential, and very clear issues that can’t be fixed without major overhauls of some very big systems.
Simply, The city is to empty and underutilized, traversing it is boring due to the frustrating driving mechanics and lack of options to go from area to area on foot (or like, some kind of subway that’s more than just a fast travel system). Exploration is unrewarding as the content that comes with it feels shallow and undercooked. Like sure, some of the random contracts you get from the fixers are fun, but they don’t add anything to the game, they’re just empty “content” most of the time.
I could go on. Don’t mis understand me, I like the game, I enjoyed it, but I enjoyed it when it first came out, and what they have now still has much of the same issues that I had with it initially. The bugs have gotten fixed and a few of the side quests have gotten their due, but the main issues are fundamental to how the game was made and would need rebuilds of core elements to truly fix.
I see…
when was that ? have you tried it since ??
literally two days ago, and hell fucking no
Just joking, I was trying to be the pestering friend in your top post heheh
Ultimately you’re free to not like it but lol for getting upset with other people enjoying it
i’m upset that i’m literally not allowed to have more concrete reasons to dislike it than “must be about bugs” and “personal taste” as if i’m too stupid to know the difference between “actually bad” and “just not for me”
The concrete reasons you’ve mentioned so far are essentially rationalizations of your subjective experience. “Bullet sponge” isnt a ‘concrete’ metric, and neither are a lot of your other complaints. Again, you’re absolutely free to hate the game - but pretending as if your feelings on the subject are somehow universally constant and the many people who disagree are just making their opinions up is fantasy.
The only one insisting on their review as an objective fact is you.
bruh my inbox has been exploding and only like one person in this thread actually asked me to list specific things. most people here are putting shit in my mouth about the launch bugs for some reason, many more are condescending to me and telling me i’m crazy and irrational, and yet more are simply throwing shit because i had a take they didn’t agree with.
“the combat system is balanced poorly” was pretty clearly my meaning, like in no world should it take nine bullets to the face to kill an average dude, it’s an outright ridiculous consequence of the way that the combat math works. that is concrete, i have identified a thing that exists outside of and apart from my feelings and what seems to be wrong with it besides vaguely “i just don’t like it”. see how that’s different from the “MY VAGUE OPINION IS THE ONLY OBJECTIVE FACTUAL TRUTH” stance you’re trying to pin to me? it speaks volumes about you that you conflate critique with opinion and concreteness with objectivity so broadly and nuancelessly.
“This is how this mechanic should work” is an opinion any way you’d like to slice it, chief.
It’s ok to say you prefer more realism, but it’s still a preference.
as if i’m too stupid to know the difference between “actually bad” and “just not for me”
yeah, imagine that
dude my library is full of games i played for a couple hours and came away able to praise even though i didn’t like it. i disliked the Bioshock games for example, but i can acknowledge they good games with a lot of merit and you won’t catch me going off and talking shit. GTA 5 is a piece of shit but i have over a hundred hours because the over the top rudeness and mayhem make it enjoyable - because of my personal taste. i’ll leave it to your clearly superior and highly developed intellect to puzzle out what’s different about cp77.
So OP is the one playing some other game here and the people in OP’s post are the ones shouting quit having fun, right? RIGHT? Because it was clear to me OP was mainly upset at being pestered into playing a game OP didn’t want too.
Friendo, the post called me a cultist for liking that game. Like it’s kinda mid, but still enjoyable. Yes, 77 was overhyped in marketing, then released in a barely playable state, but when the worst problems were fixed the hype was still there, cuz it’s (surprisingly) somewhat of a unique setting in AAA space. And overhyping your product is exactly how you do marketing well
OP is the one complaining about people enjoying a game because they didn’t like it themselves. They aren’t quietly enjoying a different game, they’re posting about not liking one everyone else is enjoying.
Others: “I like this game, I think its really good” OP: “STOP SAYING THE GAME IS GOOD I THINK YOU’RE DELUSIONAL”
I dont see anyone in this thread pestering OP about changing their opinion, only OP railing against it and accusing everyone else of lying or being delusional.
A bunch of people came into this thread to tell OP “It’s good actually” so yeah, of course they’re going to push back on that? They originally called their friends delusional for saying the bugs had been fixed.
A bunch of people came in to say they thought it was good - op is the only one casting accusations.
Honestly, it’s fine - op is entitled to their opinion. I just dont think a lot of people agree with it. People swear by Fallout New Vegas being amazing but I couldn’t get into it. I understand being made to feel like you’re missing something or not playing a game right for your lack of enjoyment. But if I came in hot with a ‘you are all fucking delusional for not seeing how bad this game is’ I would rightly be laughed out of the room.
OP made this whole thread to come in and complain that “this massively popular game that millions of people love is garbage, actually” and then when some of those millions of people come in to ask what this is all about and try to defend their opinion, they’re hit with “no you’re delusional” and lies about the state of the game
Maybe they should use less inflamatory language? Like, cmon, opinions can differ, just don’t be assholes about it
Honestly, I think the main problem here is that before the game was released we were promised a cyberpunk RPG, but when it came out it turned out to be a generic open world map checklist “content” game with a cyberpunk coat of paint on top. If you’re really into the cyberpunk aesthetic and haven’t burnt yourself out on every other AAA game of the last decade then I could see this being a good time. If you wanted an actual RPG then you just got screwed over and lied to. I absolutely understand why you’d feel bitter and frustrated.
How is Cyberpunk 2077 not an RPG?
What RPG aspects does it not have, that your idea of an RPG should have?
This is a genuine question, not an attempt at a “gotcha” trap.
The term RPG is basically meaningless now, it is so amorphous and vague and means different things to different people.
Does it mean… skill trees and stat bars and discrete numerical levelling systems and complex inventory management and items and currency and loot and complex spreadsheet style damage/stats/abilities minmaxing?
Does it mean… the ability to play a chatacter in your own way and make meaningful choices that impact the trajectories of the other characters in the world, and more broadly, the world itself?
Does it mean a complex set of branching and / or optional plot threads, storylines?
Does it mean presenting a responsive and detailed immersive world that you almost can lose yourself in as its own consistent, distinct, liveable, believable, alternate reality?
Literally all that RPG means is Role Playing Game.
Different people have considerably different ideas of… what constitutes that, what elements are required, which are more or less or wholly unimportant.
By what actual metrics are you saying CP77 is not an RPG?
What, specifically, is it lacking, that makes it not and RPG?
Do those metrics or features or lack thereof… does that all hold up when you evaluate other games that ‘are’ and ‘are not’ RPGs?
I can see it being totally arguable that it is not a good RPG, in many possible ways, that it is a mediocre or bad for whatever reasons.
I do not see how it is possible that it is not an RPG at all, that it is not an “actual RPG.”
Like here, I can give you one actual promise that was definitevely, concretely made, that was broken, that imo makes it less good of an RPG:
It was supposed to entirely be in first person.
But basically, they had to go back on that, because very very few people can handle driving in first person.
That, in my opinion, makes it less believable, less immersive, as a consistent role playing experience.
And to me, consistentency and immersion are fairly high up there on my personal RPG rating schema.
But I realize that is probably not a widely shared preference.
And I also do not think that… having a third person orbiting camera… just necessarily makes it into not an actual RPG.
Holy crap dude. It’s a run around the map clearing little boxes checklist game. Yeah, those often use some superficial elements from RPGs, but if you think everything with a leveling system and a two bit hack story that you have basically no influence over is an RPG then I guess that term is well and truly dead.
Ok so you have not given a well defined metric here.
Is FF7 an RPG?
Why / why not?
How about Deus Ex?
Shadowrun?
Come on, specific, actual things that do or don’t exist in the game.
DX was described by its creators as an FPSRPG, later the terminology ‘immersive sim’ arose to describe basically anything that can trace back its gameplay style roots to Thief or System Shock.
ShadowRun, the more modern games… have more classical turn based combat, but on a 2D battlefield grid, lots of roleplaying… these kinds of games are commonly reffered to as tactical, TRPGs, or isometric RPGs.
Hell, the Paper Mario series is generally described as an RPG, a hybrid of RPG and Action Adventure, which… is different than an ARPG, an Action RPG, where the combat is generally not turn based.
So far, best I can tell, you only have a definition of what an RPG isn’t, and it is… having a quest log and many missions/quests, and a ‘two bit hack’ main story.
So…by that… by me trying to follow those guidelines… Skyrim is not an RPG, neither is Fallout 4, nor Starfield, nor FF13, nor Mass Effect Andromeda.
You may note that all of those games are often described as RPGs, or ARPGs, realtime action oriented RPGs.
Which… would also be applicable to CP77.
Or, maybe CP77 is also an imsim.
It… mechanically does everything Deus Ex does, and more.
I’m not telling you what an RPG is or isn’t.
I am asking you to provide an actual definition of what an RPG is, and I am listing examples that are commonly, but not always, usually part of people’s definition.
What, to you, is an “actual RPG”, and why doesn’t CP77 make it into that category?
I will also say though … if your impression of CP77’s combat and levelling mechanics is that they are superficial, superfluous… clearly you did not play this game on" very hard".
For the record, I don’t have a problem with people who just want to experience basically a power fantasy with cutscenes, but uh, yeah, those systems are very important to understand when playing on higher difficulties.
Look, there are a lot of weird subgenres of RPG, some of which aren’t really RPGs but I’m happy to grandfather them in on the basis of historical precedent, but I have never in my life ever heard anyone try to claim an Ubisoft style open world sandbox game is an RPG before. That is an insane claim, and I’m not going to do a ten page dissertation on the true meaning of every RPG subtype just to satisfy your weird fixation on an explanation for the extremely obvious. Sorry to disappoint you, but no. Absolutely not.
i brought no expectations besides those that cdpr and other players created for me.
Im kind of in the same boat, but criticism like this makes me want to know your standard? Like what’s the comparison/rebuttal?
If you think its identical to launch you are the one who’s delusional. I enjoyed it a bunch at launch, but I could see the bugs. Now, however, it’s a masterpiece.
i wish i were so simple and easy to please. bless your heart, it’s not (just) about the bugs. though there are tons of bugs and if you don’t see them you’re blind, stupid, or a liar.
fuck the entire point of the meme is the issues i had with the game go far beyond the bugs but when i talked about the reasons i didn’t like the game everyone apparently ignored me and assumed i was talking about bugs.
cdpr are fucking incompetent and they made a fucking incompetent slop pile of a game.
It’s crazy how the only one acting like some weirdo cultist and harassing others for their opinions in this thread is you. You pass your opinions as fact and act like anyone who disagrees is some iPad kid who doesn’t have the same standards as you do. And it’s not like you actually have anything meaningful to say, just CDPR sucks lol fanbois amirite?
Gameplay is bad. Mechanics are bad. Graphics are secretly bad (if you turn everything to the lowest setting and use mods/.ini tweaks to disable post-processing effects even further)
I don’t know how anyone who reads anything you’ve posted here could take anything you have to say seriously. You can’t even articulate your own opinions without acting like a child. Nobody who enjoys the game should waste their time trying to have a discussion with you about it and that’s clear.
Enjoy shouting into the void and the affirmation that comes with it.
i used no tweaks or mods of any kinds, i set the graphics from the in-game menu like a normal person would. ya i’m kinda pissed off that everyone wants to strawman the fuck out of me for having a bad time with a game they like. it’s like trying to talk to religious people about the bible.
I was literally just going by your quote, so not so much strawmanning as trying to make sense of your immature whining about how everything about the game sucks and CDPR are incompetent and the voice acting is bad anime dub levels.
the graphics are secretly bad too, turn off the stupid amount of post processing that’s left on even on “low” settings and it looks like hot fucking garbage
Regardless, if your point was “when you turn the graphical settings to the lowest possible levels it looks like ass” then my bad for misinterpreting you but that still seems like a ridiculously hollow criticsm.
everyone wants to strawman the fuck out of me for having a bad time with a game they like
You have not responded to anyone who has taken you seriously with anything other than “I must exist in some alternate universe because it’s actually terrible” so I dunno, maybe people aren’t taking you seriously for self-evident reasons?
Just popping in to let you know you’re right. I played it night of release all the way through the most recent patch and it’s 99% the exact same game in all ways that matter
That video is 4 years old.
Like, yes, CP77 does not have the literally patented and exclusive to Rockstar Euphoria physics engine.
Yep.
Almost everything not stemming from that, in that video, in terms of minor details to graphics or gameplay mechanics, has either since been fixed/added into the vanilla CP77, or there are mods that exist that fix/add those things, and/or the person who made this video is just counting the way some GTAV mechanic or feature works as ‘better’ than its counterpart in CP77 for basically personal preference reasons.
Almost as if that person is just a super duper GTAV fan and is just identifying ever minor way that CP77 is not a cyberpunk DLC fof GTAV, instesd of, you know, a completely different game.
You could just make this video in reverse and point out every gameplay feature GTAV doesn’t have, that CP77 does.
I finished it at launch with all the bugs and I would have given it 8/10 for a simple reason: I enjoyed it more than other games with similar scores. I completed it again when the expansion came out and now I’d give it a 9/10. Driving is still the only thing that’s not good IMHO. Some mods can enhance other small issues.
I finally am doing my first playthrough as I upgraded my computer to the point it plays extremely well. I just press G and let the auto drive take care of the driving, it’s only ran over a few people so far.
i played it at launch with all the bugs and stopped in the same place that i did this week for the same reason, playing it feels like begrudgingly doing a bunch of chores for several different assholes who harass you the entire time (sure wish i could put the phone on silent, or at least choose if i answer it) and the reward is putting up with keanu reeves’ godawful performance and the story being about his cringey edgelord nonsense character, presumably for the next 20 hours. the gameplay is bad, the mechanics are bad, the dialog is bad, and the story is bad. the graphics are secretly bad too, turn off the stupid amount of post processing that’s left on even on “low” settings and it looks like hot fucking garbage. 9 is fucking ridiculous, if this game is a 9 to you that’s fucking tragic you deserve better games to play. shit should have been a 10-hour on rails shooter instead.
If you turn down the graphics settings, it starts looking like shit
Who would have known ? lol
it’s perfectly possible, normal even, to make games that look fine on low settings.
who would have known? lol
(sure wish i could put the phone on silent, or at least choose if i answer it)
You can do either of those. They’re both options. You can even choose which calls to send to text automatically.
Are you sure you updated the game?
Are you sure you updated the game?
i literally downloaded and installed it entire thing less than 24 hours before playing. what you think i let that tripe take up hard drive space for five years?
Nice deflection
I think a lot of your complaints in the other comment are subjectivity valid though
See, you’re using inflammatory language. You’re framing your subjective experience as objective fact by using such definitive language. If you softened this up just a touch by saying things like “I didn’t like the dialog”, “I thought Keanu Reeves performance was cringe”, “I think a 9 is too high of a score for this game”, your thoughts would not only be more well received, you’d invite follow up questions like “what made you dislike Reeves’ performance?” and then we could have an actual discussion about it, instead of just collectively shouting at walls.
i’m sorry you’re so bad at communication that every thought has to be neatly packaged and sanitized before you’re willing to engage with it.
Wait hang on, I get it now. You’ve made it abundantly clear with all your other replies in this thread - you’re a downvote farmer. I wish you a good harvest
It’s telling that you conflate good communication with being a boorish asshole.
yeah you tell that strawman what’s what!
Lmao Jesus christ
This is genuinely incredible, as in, i cannot believe I am reading all of this.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this on lemmy before.
Popcorn level thread, this one.
not a strawman but go off king
It’s perfectly fine not liking this game, but on steam it has ~90% positive reviews, so it kinda fits my rating. What similar game would you recommend instead?
first off, nickelback is the most popular band in the world, and there’s a million and ten valid reasons their music sucks.
second, all of my experience having hot takes about popular video games tells me that question actually means “it hurts my feelings you said bad things about a thing i like, tell me a thing you like so i can say bad things about it to get back at you”.
nickelback is the most popular band in the world
I have absolutely no clue how you’re determining that but id guess with whatever metric you’re using it hasnt been the case since at least 2008 - and even then, probably only in the top 50 in the US only
… Maybe this person actually is from an alternate timeline or dimension.
I doubt that statistic.
Idk how bad it was at launch, but it’s like, fine. Ive played games that were both more fun and more jank simultaneously, and it’s not like CDP’s previous titles weren’t jank af. Story is no ShR Dragonfall, but its alright. Combat is better than in many staples of first person rpg. It runs well enough for me. Ive genuinely had fun with it - if you can’t then its too bad, I guess
What is it, Human Fall Flat, where… the jank is like… kinda the whole point?
People still love Goat Simulator, lol.
Also there is literally an entire subgenre of games that has been dubbed ‘slavjank’, where the jank is genuinely viewed fondly as a kind of nostalgic brokeness, like its quaint or cute in how its broken, but fairly competent in other ways, the disconnect creating a kind of ‘comfortable frustration’, if that makes any sense.
“Its broken in a way I like / I am used to” kind of thing.
if all you need is NEON LIGHTS AND BOOBS AND CAR GO VROOOM GUN GO BANG BANG to make you happy more power to you, because that’s the only thing i can understand being enjoyable about this game.
Nah, that shit was wack, sadly the most fun romance options were a lesbian and a straight manly man ex cop, so I didn’t see no neon light booba, driving was shit, especially that race missions scale to your car’s speed, so that its actually harder to win with faster vehicles. Setting was… ok. After playing Shadowrun and Ruiner it was kinda meh. What was good was music (it would be fucked if it was bad when the main character is a rockstar) and writing (not everywhere, but like, the delaiman quest was cool, even if it started of as a “collect 5 items”) Johny was actually kinda cool, in the way that you get to see him both at his highest and lowest and I kinda grew fond of that piece of shit. The themes were usually not that deep, but had good moments. Nothing superb, but cmon, I would take this any day over the elder slops 5
Being a pretty significant ShadowRun fan, I have pondered if it would be possible to do basically some kind of ShadowRun-esque kind of total overhaul / stand alone campaign style mod.
You could possibly modify the core game mechanics and skill progressions / gates to make it more like ShadowRun rules than Cyberpunk Red rules, or possibly try to merge them together…
Then you could try to do some kind of fanfiction style blending of the two significantly different canons, or maybe just throw one out and go with the other, and basically have an isekai plot…
And then setup some kind of like, standalone questline that takes place in Night City (and environs).
Theoretically it shouldn’t be impossible to mod in all the uh, metahumans of ShadowRun, there are already mods for changing the player and other NPC bodies around… and the furries have already made uh, fursona/‘exotic’ humanoid mods… so… its not impossible, theoretically…
But… you’d have to invent some kind of way to direct your party members around generally and in combat, in some fashion, and also manage all their stats and skills and such.
I think that would be the hardest part, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone do like, a custom npc companion mod.
Somebody is though, basicslly working on making a mod that would let you have a drone buddy, and you’d have a different kind of cyberdeck, and then command that drone around with it, so that, if it can actually work, would be a step toward that direction, as well as it basically being someone inventing the foundation for the uh Rigger class/archetype in ShadowRun.
That and… you can slow time if you can hook into the right game calls/functions, maybe you could expand that into some kind of… either you are still you, giving commands within your visual range… or, you could maybe basically mod/break photo mode, and turn that into a disembodied way to observe a whole combat space and then give commands from something more like a top down or isometric view.
Yea, but at that point you are probably pretty much better off making your own game, mods don’t usually have game expansion level scale, and those that do are usually in games much easier to mod (skyrim and fallouts have mod devs with a decade of modding experience too) and even then it takes whole teams - so why grapple with a game you don’t have the source code for?
That is entirely correct, I am also simultaneously toying around with a bunch of ideas for my own game, but they’re… a bit different.
Its certainly not impossible to make such a comprehensive total overhaul mod, many games have mods like this… but, yeah, they end up taking a decade, and there is a decent chance that that same group of people probably could have more or less made very close to the same thing, in half the time, although with different branding, if they all just learned unity or godot or something.
But two caveats to that:
It has only been fairly recent that things like unity and godot exist, not too long ago making you own halfway decent engine was a very serious roadblock, so, just mod.
Also… you absolutely can learn a lot of aspects of just general game dev if you mod fairly substantially, there is a good degrer of overlap and just general shared knowledge and skills, if you go at modding pretty seriously for a while.
Back in the day, industry used to directly hire very skilled modders.
Now… not so much.
I guess it depends on your goals, your timeframe, your commitment level, etc.
Like, in this specific thing I’ve proposed… remaking all of CP77, all of Night City, to the same fidelity… yeah good fucking luck as a small indie dev/modder or small team of them.
But, if you basically just want to make your own, maybe less dense, less detailed… some kind of hybrid of ttrpg and fps mechanics, well then sure, that could work!
But also: WolvenKit exists for CP77, those are pretty comprehensive mod tools, they seem to roughly be on par with GECK from the FO games.
Anyway, I am just spitballing the ‘ShadowPunk’ idea, personally, yeah, I’d rather grind at my own indie game that I could potentially make at least some money from lol. Well that, and there are a number of things I’d like to be able to do in my game that I am 99.9% certain would be impossible to mod in to any current ‘moddable’ game, would require being built into the core of the engine from the ground up.
The issue isn’t really the jank… I mean, that’s an issue, but like you said not very different from CDPR’s other games.
The real problem is how far the delivered game is from what was promised.
Genuinely, beyond not having multiplayer in any capacity, which is a big one…
What features or aspects were actually, explicitly promised, that are not present in the game, as it currently is?
EDIT:
10 hrs later.
No one has identified a single thing that was apparently promised but not eventually delivered.
But… a sizeable chunk of people seem to think such things exist.
They might!
I pointed out one!
Anybody?
…
Did people maybe just hypetrain in their own brains a bit?
Hivemind hype a bit?
Maybe?
i just want to play the game everyone is describing to me but the cyberpunk 2077 that i downloaded is absolutely not that game.
Look, every game of theirs is pretty mid with decent but not awesome writing with a few more fun characters sprinkled in. If you got fooled by the marketing into hoping for more its kinda on you tbh
bud i go out of my way to ignore marketing and trailers and go into things as blind as possible. i don’t read reviews, i don’t watch recorded playthroughs, i don’t engage with the bustle and hype of video game culture and news and shit because it’s all bs and fake hype and idiots with shitty opinions. the only expectations i went in with were created by people i know irl with hundreds of hours in the game. i now think a bit less of all of them tbh.
Lmao
I waited until the first patch that fixed most of the bugs, and I had a great time. The only bugs I saw the whole time was with the car summoning and the enemy pathfinding occasionally breaking, but I had fun cheesing the enemies
Same thing with NMS, my favorite part of that game is a bug turned feature - if you jump while you’re punching, you get a ton of speed and can fling yourself a long way with the jetpack
I’m not sure what you were hoping to get out of them, but those are two of my favorite games. Not for the challenge or story, they’re just fun “turn your brain off” games
Just because a game has jank doesn’t mean it cant also be fun, both Fallout NV and even Fallout 4 have significantly more jank tbh. Look at any modern AAA and you’ll find its the same. I recently played Cyberpunk and its still a great game, great story and great gameplay. Not incredible, not even 8/10. Just a solid 7.5/10 game and sometimes thats all you need.
Like FONV and FO4, CP77 also has a huge modding scene.
Imo, with certain mods and mod packs, you can take it up from a 7.5/10 to a 9, at least, if you spend the time to find and add what you want.
There are rebalancing / overhauls / addons for basically every gameplay system, you can go for immersion style mods like Dark Future (and the other mods it integrates with) for roughly a hardcore/survival mode,
There are combat overhauls that rebalance based off the actual ttrpg rule sets, and others that go for an attempt at punishing levels of realism,
There are driving physics overhaul suites, car customization mods that let you mod your car, real world car addon mods and mods that allow you to set up street racing circuits such that you could basically turn Night City into a NFS game… oh and dont forget motorcycle physics/handling overhauls too,
There are whole frameworks for adding more variety to spontaneous interactions you can have with more NPCs, frameworks for adding in whole new questlines, and people have made a good number of those,
And of course graphical overhauls and fixes of all kinds, as well as cosmetic options for your or other npc characters.
Heck, some of these mods literally just got patched into the game officially, at least their core additions/fixes.
the gameplay is fucking awful tho, and the story is really uninspired, and every dialog feels padded to the point that its lie 2% relevant information and 98% meaningless bullshit. not to mention how fucking awful all of the voice acting is. i’d be hella embarassed to have my name attached to this game even if there were zero bugs.
but please continue condescendingly explaining “enjoying video games” to me like i’m incapable of determining the difference between my own taste and issues inherent to the game arising from the dev’s choices. jerk.
It sounds like you’re just hating on the game and quite frankly I dont get why
Wait… what?
What would you say is a game with… better voice acting?
Better dialogue, better story?
I can understand it not being like, your all time favorite, but frankly, describing it as ‘fucking awful’ and ‘uninspired’…
Nah, no way, CP77 is very far from ‘fucking awful’ and ‘uninspired’ in that department, to the point I am more inclined to think you have not played very many games, or you are just generally raging at this game irrationally.
not to mention how fucking awful all of the voice acting is.
Are you sure you’re not talking about a different game? The voice acting is perfectly fine and on-par with any other game up there.
i must be connected to the internet in some alternate universe where cdpr are competent devs and the voice acting doesn’t sound like a bad anime dub.
No kidding.
Some of Johnny’s lines fall flat and I think Silverhand might be one of Keanu Reeves’ worst performances of his career.
Everyone else though? I have a hard time saying it’s some of the best voice acting and dialogue I’ve ever seen, because Clair Obscur exists, but it’s up there. Takemura in particular was one that struck me, when’s the last time you met a Japanese man in an English voice acted video game that actually has a thick Japanese accent? It fits his character well and was a design choice that many developers would have been afraid to make. Not only did CDPR make that choice, they worked around it well and were even bold enough to make this voice one of the main characters that the plot revolves around, and it works well.
So… irt to Takemura…
I actually, really, really appreciated that voice acting.
Because I spent a decade as a karateka getting a black belt, going to tournaments, training, and I actually met a good deal of native Japanese speakers who only knew a bit of English, and vice versa for myself…
… that and , you know, immersion in the literally martial culture of respect, formality, face, honor, loyalty, all of that.
It is indeed very rare to hear such a well voiced, and to me at least, fundamentally believable and authentic character.
Wow you must have a shitty setup. You sound delusionally frustrated.
sorry i spoke up about my experience with the game whose fans spent two years heckling and hassling me into playing again. if it makes you upset you may need to consider why someone talking about a video game you had nothing to do with makes you feel attacked.
“harassing me into playing again” it’s a recommendation for a GAME my guy 😭😭
y r u so passionate about disliking a videogame 😭
because i was harassed into playing it again after playing and disliking it once and the people who harassed me into playing again refuse to hear anything i have to say about the game they insisted that i MUST play again, and so now i fully intend to put it on blast at least as much as it’s been crammed down my throat in particular.
why is it acceptable to simp but not to criticize?
Look, buddy, seriously, if you have a friend circle that harasses you into a playing a game that they know you don’t like, and / or your PC can’t run … and they do not listen to your criticisms, which, while I personally think they are a bit overblown and hyperbolic, but they are nonetheless specific and detailed…
What that means is your ‘friends’ are not your friends, they are trolling you, they are bullies, they are assholes, they don’t care to listen to you, they amuse themselves by provoking you.
An actual friend would not pressure you to do things they know you don’t want to do, its… its not a situation like ‘you should stop smoking’ or ‘you should get at least a moderate level of regular excercise’ where that kind of insistence comes from a place of caring about your health.
You don’t need to like this game, but you also don’t need to take out this level of frustration on everyone who does like this game, nor do you need to keep simping to an abusive ‘friend’ group of assholes who fuck with you for fun.
EDIT:
Also, if it is the case that you have a lower spec PC by ‘modern gaming standards’, frankly thats nothing to be ashamed of, modern GPUs are stupidly expensive in comparison to just 5 years ago, and theres nothing wrong with being mad that many newer games have absurd requirements that basically require you to be pretty darn finan financially well off to afford easily.
There’s nothing wrong with lower spec gaming, gaming should be for everyone, there are tons of amazing games that run on lower spec kit, the economy is fucked, fuck the corpos, fuck classism, etc.
Because you’re taking it out on all of us because a few people pissed you off, you haven’t clarified what pisses you off, nor shared your specs.
And neither here nor there but while you think you’re being counter culture by bitching about the game, it was so popular to shit on this game while it was being fixed, that it was common to have your opinions. So you actually just sound like every other normie who shouted at fans for liking it.
I get why people kept telling you to try it, you probably complained this loud day one and wanted you to experience it fixed up.
The irony is now /you/ sound like everyone else to us fans who won’t shut up about how much you hate this game.
Let people like shit, stop being so antagonistic out the gate. And don’t act like you didn’t want this debate, acting high and mighty. You’re a milquetoast rebel without a cause.
Because you’re taking it out on all of us because a few people pissed you off, you haven’t clarified what pisses you off
i’ve repeatedly clarified that i’m pissed that i was outright lied to by fans of the game who apparently did not hear a single thing i said about why i didn’t enjoy it (in calm polite subjective terms, and only when they brought the game up to try to sell me on it yet again) and insisted repeatedly that all my complaints had been addressed, and pestered me to “give it another chance”.
nor shared your specs.
i don’t know why you want my specs because it’s (mostly) not about the game performance, everyone has bugs and memory leaks and while annoying af it’s not a dealbreaker to me.
And neither here nor there but while you think you’re being counter culture by bitching about the game
i don’t think i’m “counter” anything, i’m just being genuine and that’s a sin when you don’t feel the “correct” way. you’re projecting.
it was so popular to shit on this game while it was being fixed, that it was common to have your opinions.
and yet back then all i did was leave my thumbs-down review and didn’t think about it again for years. i laid aside my opinion because i trusted in my friends, and landed on the same opinion after trying the “fixed” version expecting a better experience. almost like i’m not some dipshit on a hate bandwagon the way you’re so eager to cast me.
So you actually just sound like every other normie who shouted at fans for liking it.
sorry, i flat out don’t believe this happened.
I get why people kept telling you to try it, you probably complained this loud day one and wanted you to experience it fixed up.
it was more like they brought it up and i said i played at launch and didn’t like it and briefly summed up the reasons why and they took every opportunity to badger me about playing it for a year afterward. again you’re projecting a narrative onto me so you can dismiss me about it.
stop being so antagonistic out the gate. And don’t act like you didn’t want this debate, acting high and mighty. You’re a milquetoast rebel without a cause.
things i wish the game would let me say to johnny silverhand. also lmao more projection.
you literally can say that to silverhand, congrats on jokingly stumbling upon the entire point of his character
but continue explaining why it’s everyone else’s problem that you don’t like a video game
the “lampshading how hacky and bad my story is makes it clever and self-aware actually” trope is the entire conceit of the game’s central character?
that’s hilarious and sad, everything i learn about the parts of the game i haven’t played make it sound like it gets so much worse.
Did you play it on last gen consoles that did not receive many of the updates?
I am curious to know what bugs you encountered, no game of this size is perfect but its gotten to a point that is more stable then skyrim ever was.
The one issue I recall having when i tried 2.0 was clipping trough terrain but this was apparently caused by the eye adaption mod. Removing it fixed that.
running vanilla on pc, completely up to date. NPCs wading through solid ground and moving like they have no bones seems common, and i got a freeze or crash every couple hours.
my problem isn’t even the bugs, it’s that the game itself is shoddy. the mechanics suck and are poorly implemented, the level design is awful, brain dance is the most boring shit i’ve ever sat through, the level up system is at once too complex and really boring, i hate every single character except jackie, the npc dialog lines suck, the player dialog lines suck and also don’t match the options in the menu, the voice acting is cringe as hell, i could write a damn book on everything wrong with this game.
PC specs?
I play CP77 on a Steam Deck, through Proton, and encounter literally none of the issues you describe.
As to your second paragraph:
lol ok buddy, clearly you hate literally everything abkut this game, maybe rpgs that require some actual long term planning type thought, and an attention span exceeding 5 seconds, maybe this kind of a game just is not for you, and maybe you have in this thread described literally every single aspect of this game as atrocious.
Clearly you are emotionally raging right now lol, just being extremely critical of everything, like this game cheated on you with your best friend, and you’re having a crash out.
i like how you start with a question like you want to have a conversation and then go on to construct a narrative about how i’m stupid irrational immature and not worth taking seriously because i’m upset about being misled into wasting a bunch of hours on the exact same bad game.
Yes thats called being able to entertain multiple thoughts within my head at the same time.
Yes, you are clearly upset, but you are also clearly being unreasonably hyperbolic, and also making many broadly false, disprovable claims, and also mixing subjective opinions with things that are actually either objectively examinable claims, or are subjective, but fairly far outside the realm of being considered generally reasonable.
That is to say, you have lost the capacity to be rational, objective, reasonable.
It is possible to have a controversial opinion and still be rational, objective, and reasonable.
But this is not what you are doing.
You have been very emotional and it has lead you to make hysterical statements.
Thats fine, thats a fairly normal thing that happens when people are very emotional, but …
Your original post was claiming that the game is just as bad and broken as it was years ago.
This simply is not true, for the vast, vast majority of players on all kinds of systems.
The game now is nowhere near the abysmally broken state it was in at launch.
The most likely rational explanation for all the bugs you are apparently experiencing is that the error lies on your end, PEBKAC, you probably don’t have a powerful enough computer to run this game, or your computer has something seriously wrong with it, or you have misconfigured some vital part of your system.
The steam reviews of the game have actually recovered so much that general sentiment is now “very positive”, roughly 90% positive, when it was initially at “mixed”, roughly 60% positive.
https://www.lorenzostanco.com/lab/steam/ratings/1091500/2016/u+ur+uc+urc/
A very large part of that is due to the amount of bugs and stability issues that were fixed, again over all platforms.
It is not rational to call people delusional, and to make one intial set of specific claims, and then broadly expand those to a whole bunch of other claims and gripes, and then refuse to answer specific questions or respond to specific counter arguments, or simply respond with more derision, in excess.
That is what a hysterical, emotional freakout looks like, making a bunch of highly aggro claims, mostly because you are just very hurt or upset.
That doesn’t mean that your feelings are invalid, that your subjective opinions are “wrong”, but neither does it validate your factually wrong statements, nor does it come across as generally reasonable when you have such numerous and strong opinions that are significantly outside of the general sentiment.
i’ve said multiple times throughout this thread that the bugs are far from my only complaint now, nor were they at launch. yes the bugs have been fixed, the bugs were not what was causing the poor experience. people who i described my experience to swore up and down to me that the game is different now, and it was so similar an experience overall as to be identically poor for broadly the same set of reasons. i have people in this thread calling me a liar about the bugs i experienced, meanwhile i literally have a person who rates the game as a favorite sitting next to me playing the game on a steam deck calling bullshit on those comments. the general reaction here has mostly been emotional retaliation, tone policing, and disingenuous gaslighting like your pedantic essay about how i’m a liar because of things you decided that i said.
Nah, the general reaction has been calling you out for acting like a child and arguing in bad faith. You’re crying about “tone policing” when half of the comments on this post are you complaining about the reaction people are having to the words you are typing.
You completely dismiss people who disagree with you and in the same breath cry about how nobody is taking your arguments in good faith. It isn’t emotional retaliation or tone policing to point out that every response from you is a shallow complaint about how some part of the game is dogshit, incompetent slop, or just “bad” and your singular response to people who actually bothered to give a nuanced opinion has been “oh well I must be in a completely different version of reality then because it is objectively bad”.
i must be in a different version of reality because the person sitting next to me playing the game on their steam deck right now is calling bullshit on a steam deck user in this thread calling me a liar about the bugs i mentioned seeing, and i have in fact engaged with multiple people here and come to some amount of consensus about at least a half dozen specific complaints i listed.
the meme is about how i’m frustrated at feeling incredibly misled by fans of the game grossly overstating and out right misrepresenting the amount and kind of work that’s been done to the game, and dogging me about playing a game i was quite clear about not liking and why (and it’s not about bugs).
you’re all whining about me telling you what not to like when the meme is about feeling like it wasn’t good enough that i played and disliked it once already. i have 40 hours in that game because of being made to feel like i wasn’t enjoying it because i was doing it wrong.
the meme is literally about being frustrated at feeling like it’s not allowed to not engage with a popular thing that you don’t find enjoyable. yeah i’m gonna react poorly to essays in my inbox about how i’m a liar for saying i saw a bug and demanding specs and telling me i’m stupid and shit.
See over on my instance we have a rule / practice where one person just says “Disengage” and then after that, is expected that those two people will not communicate with each other for the next 12 to 24 hrs.
Why do we do this?
Because sometimes people get really heated, or feel very attacked, and thats basically a safety valve for that, where both can do a sort of gentleman’s truce, realizing that they are succumbing to their emotions and should probably both cool off a bit, so as to not be foolish or cruel.
… But you just keep arguing with everyone in this thread!
The… the things you wrote are still there, we can still read them!
I highly doubt that any actual specific person who convinced to replay this game you don’t like… are any of the people in this thread.
What is to be gained from making a fool of yourself amongst strangers?
Why do you insist on trying to “win” this?
Because you… you have “a person”, sitting next to you with a Steam Deck, egging you on to keep embarassing yourself?
This person is not your friend.
You are now just throwing out, wildly incorrectly, all the bad psychology vocab words you “learned” from TikTok.
You may also note that I never called you ‘stupid’ or ‘a liar’.
You invented that in your head.
Go read what I wrote again.
Actually read it.
What I said was that you are being emotional and irrational.
Those are not the same thing as ‘stupid’ or ‘a liar’.
Everyone gets emotional and irrational sometimes, thats just part of being human, smart people, stupid people, liars and those honest to a fault, they all can become irrational and overly emotional in certain circumstances.
You are conflating things, concepts, you are conflating individual people in this thread into one gigantic enemy collective hivemind, you are panicking.
This is what a highly emotional person does when they feel they are under attack.
Please, disengage, there is no good that can come from your continued stubbornness.
What list of criticism?
janky “bullet sponge” combat
awful vehicles
fugly characters
invincible enemies bc they clipped into the ground AGAIN
bad voice acting
distinct lack of player agency
feeling of being constantly harassed whenever i try to get my bearings for a second
fake dialog trees
fake options in the fake dialog trees (ie nice and mean options presented, upon picking nice the character says the nice thing, then follows it up with the mean thing)
misleading options in the fake dialog trees (character line does not match menu option at all)
poor level design
ludicrous amounts of padding in every dialog
poor environment design language
“color vomit” aesthetic (as opposed to having a color palette)
awful stealth mechanics
shit gunplay
broken control configurator (m+kb back then, gamepad today)
lack of any engaging “toys” to play with in the “sandbox” of night city
lack of a “skip intro” option for successive playthroughs (though im told the dlc includes one. so very pro-consumer of them to put it behind a fucking paywall.)
all that’s off the top of my head. i found literaly nothing about the game not frustrating and disappointing, it’s just pure dogshit top to bottom.
Man there is so much to unpack here.
janky “bullet sponge” combat
Turn down the difficulty or make a build that isn’t ass, nearly every build can one shot enemies on Hard if you aren’t just shotgunning perk points at random perks at all times
awful vehicles
Most of the cars look great but driving gameplay isn’t CDPR’s strong suit, I’ll grant you that
fugly characters
Turn up your graphics settings
invincible enemies bc they clipped into the ground AGAIN
Literally never had this problem once
bad voice acting
You might be the only person with this opinion, I can agree with you in regards to Johnny, this doesn’t apply to almost anyone else in the game
distinct lack of player agency
In what manner, exactly? V is railroaded down the story somewhat, but I challenge you to find an RPG where that isn’t the case, only one I can think of is Kenshi and that game literally doesn’t have a storyline.
feeling of being constantly harassed whenever i try to get my bearings for a second
Honestly have no idea what you’re talking about, please elaborate
fake dialog trees
What does this even mean?
fake options in the fake dialog trees (ie nice and mean options presented, upon picking nice the character says the nice thing, then follows it up with the mean thing)
Oh no, God forbid you have a dialogue option that gives you, you know, dialogue instead of just having an “Accept Quest” button attached to the NPC
misleading options in the fake dialog trees (character line does not match menu option at all)
Examples? If you’re just complaining that the dialogue selection tree doesn’t tell you your entire line of dialogue ahead of time, that’s silly, and also there is a mod to change that.
poor level design
You are the only person to hold this opinion that I’ve ever met
ludicrous amounts of padding in every dialog
See previously, Oh no, God forbid you have a dialogue option that gives you, you know, dialogue instead of just having an “Accept Quest” button attached to the NPC
poor environment design language
“color vomit” aesthetic (as opposed to having a color palette)
I’m sticking these two together because they’re similarly nonsensical, Night City has incredible environmental design sometimes on the level of Fromsoft games, and the game has an incredibly obvious red-dominated color palette when it isn’t giving way to the interesting and correctly multicolored city outside of the immediate threat of Arasaka boot. The color language used in the game is supportive of its themes and quite well implemented in my opinion.
awful stealth mechanics
I wouldn’t call 'em great, but they’re more in depth than 90% of other RPGs with a stealth gameplay option. Do you prefer the Skyrim style of “you’re invisible if you’re crouching”? Because if so you’re just wrong.
shit gunplay
Absolutely insane take, the gunplay is on par or better than any other FPS I’ve played other than Titanfall or Destiny
broken control configurator (m+kb back then, gamepad today)
Don’t know what you’re talking about, I played with M+K on launch and I played again on controller after the release of Phantom Liberty, never had a problem.
lack of any engaging “toys” to play with in the “sandbox” of night city
Unsure what you mean by this, but if you explain it a bit this might be one of the few things on this list I might totally agree with you on. There isn’t much to do out in the city other than quests, or hunting for loot in tucked away corners or on rooftops. I still got 120+ hours of gameplay from just doing that though.
lack of a “skip intro” option for successive playthroughs (though im told the dlc includes one. so very pro-consumer of them to put it behind a fucking paywall.)
It got old after the 4th or 5th time through it, sure, but if you’re raring to skip Konpeki Plaza to get to “the real game” then you have completely missed the entire artistic purpose of the game. This is like being Big Mad that you can’t start Final Fantasy 7 at the point where you escape Midgar. Have some appreciation for an extremely well constructed classic cyberpunk mission gone bad that sets up 100 hours of further storyline. The Konpeki Plaza heist is by a long shot the coolest part of the entire game up until you get into Phantom Liberty.
yoo kenshi mentioned 🔥🔥
Turn down the difficulty or make a build that isn’t ass, nearly every build can one shot enemies on Hard if you aren’t just shotgunning perk points at random perks at all times
the difficulty is down, and i’m at the very start of the game. yeah level up make better but it shouldn’t start at “so bad i don’t want to engage this part of the game anymore because it feels so futile”.
Most of the cars look great but driving gameplay isn’t CDPR’s strong suit, I’ll grant you that
no, no it is not. roach lives on in spirit.
Turn up your graphics settings
i literally cannot do this without the game turning into a jerky tearing mess in slow parts and a complete slideshow in more intense parts. i had to drop the resolutin to 1600x900, lock the framerate to 45, and turn off all the post processing to make it run smooth enough to be playable. the “riding in the car with the NPC” segments still run like hot ass but it’s not a big deal since there’s nothing to do but play the smalltalk simulator.
Literally never had this problem once
that’s really strange because it happens frequently on my end
You might be the only person with this opinion, I can agree with you in regards to Johnny, this doesn’t apply to almost anyone else in the game
really? keanu was by far the worst but i just couldn’t buy anyone as a genuine person. it sounds like dubbed anime dialogue both in the oddly stilted wording of everything and the way that everyone sounds like they’re sitting in a booth reading a script.
In what manner, exactly? V is railroaded down the story somewhat, but I challenge you to find an RPG where that isn’t the case, only one I can think of is Kenshi and that game literally doesn’t have a storyline.
maybe it’s different after the intro but damn bro literally everyone around me describes this as an open world action rpg with branching storylines and consequential player choice. i felt locked in for six hours, player control is frequently taken away and none of the “choices” presented to me ever appeared to matter to anything in the slightest. i hated the witcher 3 as well but in that game i at least felt like i had some say so over what my character did, and that’s not even a selling point for tw3 the way it supposedly is for cp2077.
Honestly have no idea what you’re talking about, please elaborate
there’s scarcely a moment when there’s not an NPC insisting you hurry up, or a character on the phone telling you do thisandthat and step on it, text inbox not getting blown up by three people. i remember specifically taking time to read and consider each dialogue choice for a few seconds before deciding but got tired of the npc’s nagging to pick a dialogue choice already every 5-10 seconds. i’m not a slow reader and i don’t have time to even read everything before the npc starts whining and nagging.
What does this even mean?
as stated multiple times, none of the choices ever feel meaningful or impactful in any way. i already played the entire segment 3-4 times at launch “to see the different life paths and try different builds” and nothing appeared to be any different, save the first 20 minutes being weirdly disjointed from the rest of the story (i was supposed to steal a car to clear my buddy’s debt? then suddenly there’s a “best friends forever” montage with jackie and nether my buddy nor his predicament are ever mentioned again?). the “trees” are really just poles, i didn’t retry every dialogue but the ones i did retry had no real choices except the length of the conversation, if that.
Oh no, God forbid you have a dialogue option that gives you, you know, dialogue instead of just having an “Accept Quest” button attached to the NPC
i don’t understand this response, the complaint you appear to be replying to is specifically about player dialog choice literally being undercut. many times i chose to not say the “rude” line and v said the exact rude thing i chose not to say anyway. it was a short dialog with a random unimportant NPC and it kinda chaps my ass that even that can’t be open-ended enough for me to actually role play my character in this role playing game.
I’m sticking these two together because they’re similarly nonsensical, Night City has incredible environmental design sometimes on the level of Fromsoft games, and the game has an incredibly obvious red-dominated color palette when it isn’t giving way to the interesting and correctly multicolored city outside of the immediate threat of Arasaka boot. The color language used in the game is supportive of its themes and quite well implemented in my opinion.
i honestly have no idea what you’re talking about, everything looks incredibly disjointed and samey. agree to disagree.
I wouldn’t call 'em great, but they’re more in depth than 90% of other RPGs with a stealth gameplay option. Do you prefer the Skyrim style of “you’re invisible if you’re crouching”? Because if so you’re just wrong.
skyrim is also an awful fucking game whose popularity boggles me, and its influence on the entire genre has been a detriment. i wouldn’t go out of my way to knock the stealth being shoddy if the game didn’t make a big deal about stealth from the very get-go, there’s a lot of emphasis on it and it’s just downright done poorly for how important the game makes it seem. they bit off more than they could chew and still chose to put it front and center, i think it’s correct to criticize.
Absolutely insane take, the gunplay is on par or better than any other FPS I’ve played other than Titanfall or Destiny
not an fps fan, got it. moving on…
Don’t know what you’re talking about, I played with M+K on launch and I played again on controller after the release of Phantom Liberty, never had a problem.
i’m talking about player ability to configure specific controls. at launch i broke the entire game trying to remap my keys to an ESDF layout. this last playthrough i have a controller with a nintendo button layout, and i wanted to swap A/B and X/Y to correct the button placement (so that the buttons are on the intended part of the face) and there is not a controller configurator that i could locate anywhere in the options menu. i don’t feel like either of these are unreasonable expectations to have from a big budget aaa title from a studio like cdpr, especially after five years of updates.
Unsure what you mean by this, but if you explain it a bit this might be one of the few things on this list I might totally agree with you on. There isn’t much to do out in the city other than quests, or hunting for loot in tucked away corners or on rooftops. I still got 120+ hours of gameplay from just doing that though.
idk about you but im of the philosophy that a game, especially an open-world player-driven game as cp2077 is so frequently described to me, should have a toy that’s fun to play with regardless if you’re using it to play the game or not. assassins creed had parkuor. gta has the driving and rampage simulator aspect. hell even the witcher 3, my other least favorite game, has gwent and flower-picking. cp2077 has “shoot gun, sell loot, go to waypoint, engage dialogue pole”.
It got old after the 4th or 5th time through it, sure,
it felt old the first time
but if you’re raring to skip Konpeki Plaza to get to “the real game” then you have completely missed the entire artistic purpose of the game.
i have been searching for and missing the artistic purpose of the game besides “water down the genre so far it misses the point and cash in on A E S T H E T I C” from the get-go.
This is like being Big Mad that you can’t start Final Fantasy 7 at the point where you escape Midgar.
the entirety of ff7 disc 1 isn’t a glorified tutorial padded out to eight fucking hours either.
Have some appreciation for an extremely well constructed classic cyberpunk mission gone bad that sets up 100 hours of further storyline.
if by “well constructed” you mean “hacky, cliche, and disjointed for the sake of pretending to deliver on a promised feature because we don’t understand how to manage scope creep”, then sure.
The Konpeki Plaza heist is by a long shot the coolest part of the entire game up until you get into Phantom Liberty.
this is the most damning thing i’ve ever heard about the game tbh and now i definitely don’t want to finish it.
I stand by my points but I was kind of being an ass in my first reply, sorry about that. Some of these are super valid complaints that I can agree with. In particular,
the difficulty is down, and i’m at the very start of the game.
Yeah fair enough the combat doesn’t pop off until you get a handful of perk points invested, and the first 20 guns you pick up are going to be garbage. This never turned anyone off of Borderlands, but fair enough.
skyrim is also an awful fucking game whose popularity boggles me, and its influence on the entire genre has been a detriment
Full agree
“to see the different life paths and try different builds” and nothing appeared to be any different, save the first 20 minutes being weirdly disjointed from the rest of the story (i was supposed to steal a car to clear my buddy’s debt? then suddenly there’s a “best friends forever” montage with jackie and nether my buddy nor his predicament are ever mentioned again?)
This is and will forever be my biggest and most vocal complaint about the game since release day. Different life paths give about a handful of unique dialogues apiece that often don’t do much of anything, and the opening montage deal is the most frustrating thing CDPR has ever handed us I think.
idk about you but im of the philosophy that a game, especially an open-world player-driven game as cp2077 is so frequently described to me, should have a toy that’s fun to play with regardless if you’re using it to play the game or not.
Yeah agreed on that front. Your options are largely limited to sidequesting. Kind of lame I guess, but I never noticed it that much when I was playing the game because I don’t often do that sort of messing around anyway, personally.
…On the points where we disagree, though, I think we’re just kind of ideologically opposed to some things and I don’t even really understand why. I get the feeling that you just may not be the intended audience honestly. On my first time playing, as a long time fan of the likes of Shadowrun and other tabletop sci-fi-rpg’s, I thought the setup and execution of the Konpeki Plaza Heist was one of the greatest adaptations of a proper tabletop cyberpunk run gone bad that I have ever seen in a video game, and I think it might be some of CDPR’s best work they’ve ever done. I was in awe. Very little of the rest of the game lives up to what Konpeki Plaza promised until you get to Phantom Liberty and that’s the one complaint that I agree with most when people say that the game is a rug pull. Konpeki illustrates the vision of a tabletop Cyberpunk run that CDPR intended for the entirety of this game, and the only other parts of the game that somewhat approach that same vision in my opinion are some of the companion quests (Judy, Panam, River, Etc) and Phantom Liberty.
You don’t seem to have enjoyed Konpeki at all but I find it quite a shame that the rest of the game wasn’t more like Konpeki. To each their own I guess. I like this game. There are definitely valid complaints to be made about it but I don’t think it deserves to be called garbage. I do think it was rushed out the door and Phantom Liberty gives a better idea of what the developers actually intended the game to be like, given the time they needed to actually cook on it. Hopefully next time they release a game it’ll be one that’s given the proper time it needs.
misleading options in the fake dialog trees (character line does not match menu option at all)
Examples? If you’re just complaining that the dialogue selection tree doesn’t tell you your entire line of dialogue ahead of time, that’s silly, and also there is a mod to change that.
I did just hit the part in PL where Johnny reappears after Songbird sent him to the shadow realm. I selected “glad to have you back,” since I want the ending where Johnny likes you, and V’s tone was positively dripping with sarcasm. That could have been indicated better.
What games do you like? It sounds like you have specific games in mind that have hit all of these notes. I wonder if there is a game that hits all of them? Maybe your criticism is the scope of the project leaves it overstretched?
I guess if you liked the setting, story and missions then, you’ll still like it now. If you don’t like that, it’s not any different from launch.
the point of a game is not the setting story and missions. it’s being fun and satisfying to play, and cyberpunk is fucking awful at that.
Maybe for you, but I like it
That’s why we have different games and genres
i’m quite capable of determining when a piece of media is well made but just not for me in particular (like, let’s say rocket league is a really good and well made game that i just don’t care for, it has no appeal for me), and conversely when something that appeals to me is shit (goat simulator is outright bad but it’s funny and silly and i enjoy dicking around with it). it’s called being literate, you should try that instead of throwing up thought terminating cliches.
I mean, clearly you are not and this thread is evidence of that lol. You’re raging against a game that a majority would agree is a 9/10, and lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you. That doesn’t make you some elite media connosieur that gets to arbitrarily decide what is good media, it mostly just makes you a whiny asshole. The majority consensus is that when Phantom Liberty launched, the game became one of the best RPGs ever made.
“anybody who criticizes this game is a whiney asshole not worth listening to, therefore it must be good since everyone worth listening to enjoyed it” cult logic
Damn you are very upset that people enjoy cyberpunk.
i’m upset that cyberpunk fans can’t accept that i don’t like it for valid reasons
It’s not that people can’t accept that, you keep defending yourself on people saying THEY enjoy it. Nobody is telling you you have to like it.
Nobody is telling you you have to like it.
a LOT of people heckled me for a long time about saying i didn’t like it when they asked if i’d played it, as if having played at launch invalidates any opinion i could possibly have because there were also more bugs. i think it’s reasonable to feel some kind of way about being dismissed and diminished and heckled and pressured into repeating a bad experience point for point, and then repeatedly told what an ignorant fool i am for landing on the same opinion as i had before. except now im mad that i had to endure it again just to validate not liking it to every fan of the game i know irl.
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