cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/29640152
On July 29, 2025, LinkedIn removed “misgendering or deadnaming” from examples of prohibited content in its policy on hateful and derogatory content.
I dk how misgendering and dead naming is not considered bullying in general. Cis ppl dont like being actively called the wrong gender or wrong name either. These protections help everyone.
For some of us out of loop - what is deadnaming?
Using the trans person’s forename, despite them going by their preferred name
Just want to point out that oftentimes it’s not just their preferred name—it’s their new actual legal name
LinkedIn is for fuckbois
Mmmmm, fuckbois.
Just a matter of time before they start banning expressions of solidarity on the grounds that it is NSFW
Glad i deleted my linkedin…
Honestly, I’m tired of toxic positivity invading everything. I’d rather people grow thicker skins when it comes to speech. actual hate speech (such as suggesting murder of specific groups) and things of that nature should absolutely be banned; but insults are meant to be demeaning, that’s the point of them. Thankfully I hear children in the streets calling each other gay, fat, ugly as an insult, so I think they’ll be okay. But my viewpoint is probably skewed as fuck, because I’ve been on the internet since I was 14 and have had to deal with the worst of it since day 1. Misgendering and/or Deadnaming someone isn’t hate speech.
You are just a bad person.
You can be in favor of people have a thick skin and that people shouldn’t be allowed to be assholes.
It is a bit like self-defense. It is probably for the better if people knew self-defense but that is no reason to excuse violent aggressors.
Honestly, you should be ashamed of that opinion and keep it to yourself.
You should be ashamed that the world has to be nicewashed for you to survive it.
You sound quite butthurt over being called a bad person. Maybe you should get a thicker skin. Have a good one.
I think I have to agree with you on this one. There was a time where being as fucking inbred as you are IRL would’ve easily cost you five of your front teeth on a good day, and months in traction on a bad day.
Yet here you are, being a fucking poster child warning against sexual relationships between family members, and whatever teeth you have are left unscathed for it.
What a time to be alive, eh?
Indeed! Love reading replies like this.
because I’ve been on the internet since I was 14 and have had to deal with the worst of it since day 1.
“The internet made me who I am.” I’m going to help grow the fuck up and take responsibility for your actions, little one. From the moment you discovered the internet, you could’ve decided at any time to stop being on it. Congratulations, you’re the result of your own decisions.
It’s more of a … “if a 14 year old can do it, your panzy ass can too”
I almost agree with you, but here’s where I don’t.
Trans rights are based and cool and Misgendering and Deadnaming are definitely hatespeech.
It’s like telling a black man to go pick cotton. You’re saying they aren’t valid beyond the roles society deemed appropriate for them in ye olden days.
It’s absolutely nothing like alluding to the hundreds of years of slavery and oppression of black people in America, that’s a wild comparison.
do you want to explain why not?
the self harm rate for trans people is relatively huge, so the mental health toll on them is clearly enormous… just because they’ve only recently felt strong enough to start fighting for their rights doesn’t mean trans people started to exist recently… trans people have always existed, and just lived in anguish and shut up about it because they didn’t have the collective words to describe their experience
nobody is saying they’re comparable - the experience of black people in america is completely different to the experience of trans people
but let’s not say that either is worse than the other: both have suffered hugely for long periods of history, and both continue to suffer
Misgendering, deadnaming, and broadly “it’s just bullying get over it” type speech leads to suicides particularly by younger people. The problem has multiple fronts: people need support to get them through the toughest times, thick skin to keep the day to day manageable, and social spaces need some degree of checks to keep from going full toxic
Personally I don’t mind being deadname or misgendered I think it’s funny. I’m a survivor bias though I’ve made it to my thirties being unphased. Other people who used to be around me who couldn’t handle the aggressions did not make it to their thirties. One of my oldest friends attempted suicide four times that I know of over this type of speech being directed at them. They’re only alive right now because they were lucky enough to keep being pulled back from death until they could grow that thicker skin you’re talking about
Misgendering, deadnaming, and broadly “it’s just bullying get over it” type speech leads to suicides particularly by younger people.
How do you reconcile this assertion with the fact that bullying was inarguably more widespread before 2008 than it has been since then, and yet:
Researchers at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) found that rates of preteen suicide (ages 8-12) have been increasing by approximately 8% annually since 2008.
Also, trans men are generally much more likely to convincingly ‘pass’ than trans women (and trans people who ‘pass’ are bullied less, by simple virtue of the fact that fewer people are able to even identify them as trans), and yet:
Female preteens had a disproportionate increase in suicide rate compared to male preteens.
Something isn’t adding up here, no?
Unfortunately I can’t find it again, because it was such an interesting and surprising bit of data, but I read a study some years ago that split trans people up into three categories, and compared the rate of suicide among them:
- in the closet
- out, and reported being supported overall by their community/peers after coming out
- out, and reported being unsupported overall by their community/peers after coming out
If you had to guess which of the three categories had the lowest suicide rate, I bet it’d be #2, right? So did I, but actually, the group with the least suicidality was #1! The implication that never coming out at all makes a trans person less likely to take their life than coming out to people who accept and support them was stunning, but there it was, in black and white. So what does that mean, exactly?
I don’t know, but this is definitely a more complex issue than it appears on the surface, to most people.
Sources, or are you just pulling all of that out of your ass?
You may want to try pulling your glasses out of your ass and actually reading what I wrote.
I cited the source I used for the first part (the two quoted bits), and prefaced the thing I didn’t have a source for (forgive me for not meticulously recording the source of every single interesting thing I read forevermore) by saying straight-up that I didn’t, before even saying what it said.
Unfortunately I can’t find it again, because it was such an interesting and surprising bit of data, but I read a study some years ago that split trans people up into three categories, and compared the rate of suicide among them:
in the closet out, and reported being supported overall by their community/peers after coming out out, and reported being unsupported overall by their community/peers after coming out
I’m referring to this horseshit, you deceptive transphobic dumbass.
Lets look at what I can find:
So you’re referring to the bit that I explicitly stated right at the top, that I didn’t readily have a source link for?
You’re doubling down on looking foolish by angrily calling me deceptive while showing proof that I wasn’t.
Also, what you linked doesn’t contradict the particular data point I emphasized in what I read, as it doesn’t compare suicidality between closeted and out trans people; it only compares the second and third groups I mentioned in my comment.
When it comes to the topics where there is overlap, my remembered source agrees with what you linked: that for trans people who are out, support is, obviously, going to reduce suicidality more than than lack of support.
The interesting/unexpected data point was that the rate was lower among trans people who never come out, than for either subset of trans people who have come out.
Calling me transphobic for mentioning that I read something that contradicts a commonly-held assumption, is toxic and anti-intellectual. If you want to disregard it because I can’t back it up, that’s perfectly understandable (hence my prefaced disclaimer, in the first place!), but there’s no call for the hostility, at all. Relax.
As for me, I know what I read, and I’m confident I’m remembering it properly too because, guess what, it surprised me too, like I said! That’s what made it stick with me for years, despite not having immediately meticulously recorded where I read it.
EDIT: You may also note that I drew literally ZERO conclusions based on said data point, only remarking on the apparent complexity it introduces to the topic.
You have a profound lack of critical thinking skills.
Here’s what you wrote:
Unfortunately I can’t find it again, because it was such an interesting and surprising bit of data, but I read a study some years ago that split trans people up into three categories, and compared the rate of suicide among them:
- in the closet
- out, and reported being supported overall by their community/peers after coming out
- out, and reported being unsupported overall by their community/peers after coming out
If you had to guess which of the three categories had the lowest suicide rate, I bet it’d be #2, right? So did I, but actually, the group with the least suicidality was #1! The implication that never coming out at all makes a trans person less likely to take their life than coming out to people who accept and support them was stunning, but there it was, in black and white. So what does that mean, exactly?
What this means is that you’re misremembering some study, are quoting a right wing hit piece, or are just pulling shit out of your ass. And it means you have a profound lack of critical thinking skills.
Just think about for a second. Actually THINK about it man!
How in the world are you going to have a study with any kind of statistical reliability, when you are polling trans people WHO ARE IN THE FUCKING CLOSET??!!
You do understand what those words mean, do you not? You’re talking about people who are not out. You’re talking about people who are not publicly out as trans. So obviously you can’t poll these people when trying to survey the trans population. At best you can just randomly poll the population and ask random people if they’re trans. But that method never works for small minority groups, as if even 1% of cis people lie on the survey and claim to be trans just to fuck with the results, the fake trans people will out number the real trans people in the survey.
Actually THINK about what drivel you are writing. How the hell can you make any claim about trans people that are in the closet? By definition, such people are indistinguishable from the larger cis population.
This is why I know that you’re pulling this stuff right out of your ass. You’re making a claim that is completely nonsensical.
You have failed at basic fundamental critical thinking.
So you’ve used the word ‘inarguably’ there, which I take as a challenge.
Bullying is not less widespread than it was before 2008. Anecdotally, I have two kids in high school and bullying is rife, it seems the environment in school is exactly as it was 30 years ago. This is the general consensus between myself, other parents and education/healthcare professionals that I’ve spoken to.
Less anecdotally, cyber bullying is now a thing. Kids can no longer escape their bullies by leaving school. This means that bullying is now immeasurably worse than pre-2008, which is exactly converse to your assertion, and may also be part of the cause of rising suicide rates. Social media’s insipid ability to reach into the same “safe” spaces with advertising-driven beauty and masculinity standards has a lot to answer for there as well, which also explains the diverging figures along gender lines.Bullying is not less widespread than it was before 2008. Anecdotally, I have two kids in high school and bullying is rife, it seems the environment in school is exactly as it was 30 years ago. This is the general consensus between myself, other parents and education/healthcare professionals that I’ve spoken to.
Well, here is some data I found that contradicts that, and supports my assertion, after doing a quick search:
In 2021–22, about 19 percent of students ages 12–18 reported being bullied during school, which was lower than the percentage who reported this in 2010–11 (28 percent).
The years don’t line up absolutely perfectly, but 28% to 19% in a post-2008 ~10 year period is a 32% drop, if I did my math correctly.
Here in the UK, it’s up to 35% according to the latest data. And that’s just in person. Online bullying has risen from zero in 2008 to 19%
Toxic positivity is so different than just freely allowing people to be complete bigoted assholes I have to assume you’re missing it this much on purpose
The mask fell off when he said dead naming wasn’t hate speech
I think the mask fell off when they said it was good to use “gay” as an insult.
I guess that didn’t trip the sensor because I thought “Only if you’re being ironic about it”
Being “complete bigoted assholes” are how we, as a society keep errant members in check. It’s a feature of the tribalism inherent in humanity. Scoffing at someone being a thief, for example - we don’t consider that “bigoted”, only because we all mostly agree that it’s bad.
This is half baked, to put it as kindly as I possibly can.
Trans people are errant society members who need to be kept in check by completely bigoted assholes?
I mean, that’s what society is attempting to do, yes.
So blocking complete bigoted errant assholes is, like, a positive force for the world. Cool.
Cool cool cool.
Insanely stupid lemmoid response id expect nothing less from this shithole
Hey, don’t lump the rest of us in with that assclown!
Reality is often a shithole, I agree. But we all gotta live in it. Utopian dreams are just that…dreams. Time to wake up.
great! the world is a shithole because of assholes, so let’s just all be assholes… what an asshole self-fulfilling thing to say
personally, i prefer to leave the world a better place than what i found it, and people better off for my presence in it
YOU don’t have to be an asshole. That’s your decision.
It’s when you start making the decision for OTHERS that you become the asshole yourself. You don’t get to police speech. If I want to call you Blinky the fucking ass-clown, I can. It’s the moment where you step over the line and determine what other people are allowed to say that you become the asshole. Enough of you utopian dickheads trying to nice-wash the internet.
Cissy freak.
Ah yes, somebody who thinks that Utopia is bad. Yet another red flag.
You know that Utopia is so “perfect” that its etymology actually means “Nowhere”? Because it’s imaginary.
I think that’s a bit far. “Fat” can cause eating disorders. “Ugly” can cause low self esteem. Dunno if “gay” makes people LGBTQ. Deadnaming is essentially doxxing, although can cause distress if that old name is related to trauma.
Pretty rubbish take IMO.
Dunno if “gay” makes people LGBTQ
calling people gay as a slur implies that it’s a bad thing to be avoided… when kids start to think they might be gay, if it’s had trauma and bullying attached it absolutely leads to self hatred
and that’s a self-reinforcing cycle
I hear people use “faggot” more these days which I think is arguably much worse, considering that the word originally refers to something that is supposed to be burned with fire
That’s the point you know. Kids insulting one another is to help them build defenses against the real world. I think this is like psychology 101 stuff. It’s natural to do, and does - in fact - help children grow.
It’s natural to do, and does - in fact - help children grow.
Do we have evidence for that?
Well, obviously this happened to Crayon Eater and they turned out fine! Complete with insulting everyone and a habit of eating crayons.
It’s times like this I miss reddit’s awards 😂
Numerous studies over the last 50 years, yes.
There are vastly more studies over the last century that refute your claim, than there are studies that support it. If you don’t believe me, and I assume you don’t, just ask me.
But the lesson is “it’s not cool to call your friends fat” and “you can call out your friends if they’re being mean” or even “avoid people who make you feel bad”. You clearly got the wrong message here.
There are shitty people and we have to deal with that, but that doesn’t make these people any less shitty. We know how social consequences work, and you think you know as well, but why you gotta constantly take the shitty people’s side here? Unless… Hmmm… 🤔
but why you gotta constantly take the shitty people’s side here? Unless… Hmmm… 🤔
But my viewpoint is probably skewed as fuck, because I’ve been on the internet since I was 14 and have had to deal with the worst of it since day 1.
It’s almost like you can’t read.
Friends calling each other names is not the same
I’m not talking about friends. I’m talking about completely random strangers on the internet.
