“God please let GTA 6 be a massive flop it would be so fucking funny.”
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I do NOT understand the hype.
The last one was pretty good but nothing groundbreaking.
Why are people so sure this one is the second coming of Vice City?
As depressing as it is to admit, for a lot of people gta online has become their third place.
What I do NOT understand is whenever people resort to propaganda like this, to try sabotage public perception of an (actually evil) person or company. Yes we know Rockstar is a bunch of greedy bastards, but their games are “nothing groundbreaking”, really? GTA V and Red Dead are listed as two of the most successful games ever made behind only Minecraft.
This is like when an actor gets involved in some sex scandal and everyone suddenly thinks their work is mediocre. Can we really not separate an evil person or company from their work?
Successful and groundbreaking are not necessarily the same thing
Don’t kid yourself, it was amazing. New one will be amazing.
To the new players, maybe. But not for you. You now have the curse of an Elder Scrolls player - you’ll watch each installment become more and more popular, while the actual gameplay gets worse and worse.
Assassin’s Creed also.
it was groundbreaking at launch. the switch-character thing was pretty awesome
Why are people so sure this one is the second coming of Vice City?
because it’s set in Vice City? /s
It’ll be good, but it won’t be as good as its hyped up to be, because even a game coded by an army of time-travelling future-messiahs from every conceivable dimension couldn’t be as good as the hype suggests.
What you can look forward to is every single content creator even remotely related to digital entertainment talking about how its the best/worst thing ever, dissecting every single plotpoint, getting enraged/excited over every minor update, endless discussions over the price of the mtx that will generate more revenue than a mid-sized countries GDP.
Even if the game sucks by every objective metric, children and casuals will still throw money at it every chance it gets. The game has to be amazing for me to have any hope.
John Rockstar has alot to answer for
“God, please let Chip Skylark play at my birthday party…”
Or just come out already so people can stop obsessing over it
I think flop is impossible, but shitshow and disappointment? Now that seems pretty likely.
It costed many billions to build, so it has to sell a lot to make a profit.
Some games are successful with millions in sale, but that won’t be even close to GTA 6, so it can sell billions and still flop for them
Even if it sucks there’s gonna be enough whales playing their online mode.
Hasnt it already sold like a billion in preorders though?
No
Oh yeah estimated at only about 400 million currently. In preorders for a digital-only game.
wHy aRE CorPORatiOns DoiNg thiS To us
Proceeds to still gobble it all up
Like CoD and sports games, they will sell well even if they’re shit.
Like the end of saga marvel movies they won’t release it until they are 110% confident in it’s commercial success.
Consumerism is a sign of superiority in modern gaming culture.
Is it? I guess no one I play games with is part of modern gaming culture.
Streamers are best friends with AAA devs. Streamers encourage this crap and play innocent/hostile when called out for it. Gamers are willing participants because they’ll give them views on YT or bits on Twitch as a reward for supporting the very industry both parties bitch about.
It’s one of the reasons I don’t consider myself a gamer anymore.
Gaming is just more spread out than ever before.
In my last job at one point we had a team where everyone played games and most of us had barely even heard of the games anyone else played.
One plays fighting games, another plays the latest AAA games, I largely play small indie games.
I honestly hope somebody leaks it 2 weeks early for free and rockstar just lose a bunch of stock money.
This made my day, thank you.
The old Rockstar is dead. Ppl r gonna preorder GTA anyways and defend the company when they get a broken/unfinished product on day one, claiming it can be fixed in the future with updates. Look at cyberpunk 2077 and no mans land.
Lol, I’m sorry… NO MANS SKY?!
That game did so much work it’s ridiculous. It’s like, the worst example you could have possibly brought up.
Did you do it on purpose? Is this rage bait?
Yeah a game with 10 years of free updates and no microtransactions, Rockstar would never.
Look at two games that show games can indeed be fixed with updates?
A polished turd is still a turd.
They’re both very well received games and the two clearest examples of games actually get fixed properly after a disastrous release.
Well received by the niche audience that continued to play it. Never touched again by the majority of all the others.
I remember buying it and refunding it because of all the lies. Not even small lies. Massive lies that completely changed what the game was.
Recent reviews are good, but that’s this little thing called selection bias. As evidenced by many people in these comments they gave the game a second chance and it was still crap.
There have been indie games that have released something closer to the marketing lie NMS originally attempted to market.
I never played cyberpunk, but all I’ve ever heard about it was how boring and unoriginal the story was.
Celebrating them fixing something that should have been delayed when the end result is still boring really explains why the game industry is where it is.
No man’s sky had a bit over 200k peak online players on release in 2016. Over 100k peak for the anniversary release in 2025 and constantly gets 10k players even now.
Cyberpunk got 274k peak online players for the release of 2.0 3 years after the original release and 60k daily players even now.
Those are great numbers for single player games so I don’t know what you’re on about.
You don’t know what “niche audience” means if you think these two games sold and are played by similar audiences as, say, Anno games.
You’ve also got selection bias twisted considering you’re using it to say a few comments in here must represent the truth because they say something you like.
What you heard about Cyberpunk must be from some real haters because, of all the things you could accuse about its story, boring and unoriginal are not it.
If anything here explains the state of anything, it’s how easily gamers will believe nonsense as long as it fits their preconceived notions and gets their anger up.
The few comments I’m talking about here represent the majority of players that refunded the game and never returned. That’s the majority. Then when updates came out, they either didn’t care (which is the correct response when a company lies) or they watched a video to learn about the updates and weren’t impressed.
The people buying into the game, which mind you is still not what they completely marketed it as, are just as much to blame as the people that buy shitty AAA games all the time and give these companies money so they can release more crap.
The company behind NMS are releasing a new game. There are just as many people that say “fuck that lying company” as there are people existed for the next batch of lies.
It appears you are not the majority you think you are. You do not even consider that there are those, that bought only those games later, when they were fixed and tgey liked what they got.
The majority is not on the fediverse.
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Except 2077 was fixed. This won’t be.
So was No Man’s Sky.
I bought both late and enjoyed them both quite a bit. I would neither call best game ever but they were well worth the money at that point. Of course, it did not reach Witcher 3 in epic quality.
no mans sky still sucks. people saying its better now just feels like cope. like sure its better but that doesnt make it good.
It’s a good thing opinions are subjective, and individual to the person. Fwiw, my opinion differs completely. I really enjoyed it on launch, but left it after I’d built a ship, seen a few planets and completed the ten part Atlas storyline. Of course that was 100% of the features on launch. The game’s features are colossal now
It’s as broad as an ocean, but as deep as a puddle. I’m glad people enjoy it, but I couldn’t. The planets aren’t interesting, because you know there can’t be anything unique anywhere with the proc gen (there are some more rare planet types, but even those aren’t very interesting). This basically means the big selling point of the game, the exploration, isn’t worth doing. The crafting and base building are just a grind. Flying is really boring with too many guardrails. An interesting game requires the ability to make mistakes and fail, in my opinion, and they’re scared to let that happen.
That’s every survival game with procedural generated maps.
My problem with the game is that Elite Dangerous flying is so good that I cant stand 2 min of flying in NMS
Most of them, yeah. There are a handful that get it right, but they’re fighting an uphill battle. Yeah, E:D, and other space sims, totally ruin NMS and Starfield for me. I think the only people who enjoy them have never played a space sim before. It feels like they should be targeting people who like the genre, but they’re bad examples of it so it’s actually a negative.
Sorry, but you’re out of your mind. No Man’s Sky is incredible now. It’s not just a matter of being better. It’s a matter of the game wasn’t anything cost to what they promised and now it’s gone far beyond that. The player numbers don’t lie, either.
Sadly true. I jump in every few years. Make a new character, do the run, do the new stuff, do the current season. It’s all still the same just with more.
CP2077 on the other hand did it. I never had an issue at launch like the loud groups did. But I appreciate the work, the qol updates, and the expansion. They did turn that game around … but again, I didn’t see the initial problems anyways …
I ran into so many bugs in Cyberpunk when playing on an Xbox at launch, but most of them were just fun to laugh at, I didn’t get mad about it.
You clearly didn’t make the mistake of getting it on PS4. Waiting a couple years and trying it on pc was entirely night and day
For Cyberpunk, I’m a pc player through and through. But I had friends with better hardware that encountered a lot of issues too. I guess I just got lucky. And I’m happy I did tbh. The game world (cyberpunk genre inclusive) means so much to me.
I didn’t have a great pc when it released, but man, they really shoulda nixed the PS4 version, it was not good lol. Either way I just started a new run the other day full reflex katana mode and it’s very fun, I’m just glad I gave it a second chance honestly
I’m glad you gave it another shot. It’s a good story with some great world building
And an superb expansion!
Its serviceable. A lot of it is shallow, finding new creatures, new planets often makes you see the same thing youve already seen with the details changed a bit. But some places genuinely felt special - Ive seen a worm the size of my frigate once, and only once. That’s the kind of weird shit I want in every exploration game. The story I expected to be an afterthought, but damn, its straight up pretty decent. Can’t speak for any of the people who supported the kickstarter, it really sucked for them and they have a right to not be satisfied, but I absolutely got a very enjoyable experience out of it. There are better games that I enjoyed much much less
No Man’s Sky is pretty great now. But that doesn’t mean it’s something everyone will enjoy.
I don’t particularly enjoy it myself, but that’s because open world survival and crafting is something I realized I like in theory, but don’t actually enjoy playing.
I got NMS day one for exactly what it was- just exploring an endless universe, and I loved it for that reason. I understand why all the hate for it, but there are people who genuinely liked it for being a relaxing “do nothing” exploration game. Sure, Hello Games finally fulfilled their promises like adding true multiplayer and missions/expeditions, and that’s given me a reason to pick it back up every so often and link up with a friend or two. Even VR was another reason for me to play it for a while again.
I mean, it’s what they promised, and some more now. That’s just not a game for everyone. It’s a little bit of everything with none of it being well fleshed out because I don’t think they know how to do any one thing specifically well at all. But like, if you’re into that type of game it’s fine? If you’re not, well then of course you’re not gonna like it not every game is for everyone.
Really, really hoping Light No Fire turns out good. Really hoping. The reduced scope (one planet instead of a universe) might make it doable. This might also be wishful thinking on my part.
I’ve tried a few times to buy I honestly can’t enjoy it. It’s so boring.
I got my money’s worth out of it.
Because I didn’t pay for it, but still.
It’s a decent enough game for $free.50, assuming you like the sub genre.
I love No Man’s Sky
it’s not for everyone but it definitely doesn’t suck. it gives me a feeling of wanderlust that no other game can (except maybe elite dangerous, but i don’t play that).
Games can definitely be fixed post launch. Fallout New Vegas was a broken mess at launch, but now it’s the most beloved 3D Fallout game and people don’t even bring it up in this conversation. With enough ambition, quality, and room to improve underneath the technical issues, games can and have been brought back from rough launches.
On the other hand, Rockstar’s schemes aren’t guaranteed to pay off. RDR2 had a well received single player, but the online mode was an absolute failure compared to GTA Online. Given how people have less disposable income and advanced gaming hardware, GTA 6 might be too much too late. I doubt it’ll be a flop, but I also doubt it’ll have the success of GTA 5.
I also don’t see it having the same relevance in a post culture war era. Even if it plays things relatively safe, it will still be seen as too woke by the right, and too capitalist coded by the left. The liberal center isn’t an all encompassing hegemon like it once was, and that’s really who the game is made for.
Allmost of the people who made GTA 5 are long gone. The game isn’t going to be edgy nor will it be pushing the envelope the way all their other games did. Its going to be safe and filled with inclusive dad jokes that suck the air out of the room… with character banter heavily inspired by wannabe MCU dialogue (which is also shit BTW but they emulate it because they want to be as successful as Marvel)E: I was being hyperbolic to make a point…
Dan Houser: the bigger loss by most accounts. Co-founder and lead writer on essentially every GTA since the series’ 1997 debut through GTA V, plus Red Dead Redemption 2, Bully, and Max Payne 3. He left in 2020, and has confirmed directly that he wrote none of GTA 6 “They’re always a new story. It’s not going to be a story I wrote or a character set that I developed.” He’s since said the sheer scale of GTA V and RDR2’s workload (450,000 lines of dialogue for RDR2 alone) burned him out before GTA 6 could even get going. He’s now running his own studio, Absurd Ventures.
Leslie Benzies: arguably even more central to the actual production side. He was producer on every GTA from GTA III onward and ran Rockstar North as president, credited by some as one of “the three people most directly responsible for the massive success of the Grand Theft Auto series,” alongside the Houser brothers. He left in 2016 amid a lawsuit over allegedly unpaid royalties, worth $150 million US, and disputes over who was ultimately responsible for the company’s success. He’s since founded Build A Rocket Boy (whose own game, MindsEye, launched poorly this year).
They still have Sam houser and their art director, and there are still veteran developers they aren’t all gone… I just think most of the mojo is gone from the company that has a game wide impact on its direction.
Rockstar has historically been very good about making relatable characters with good dialogue in gripping stories. They took 5 years to make rdr 2, which turned out to be good and now another 8 years for gta 6.
It’s definitely not a given that the game is gonna be good, but it might very well be a banger. Writing it off already is unfair, I think.
But still, don’t fucking preorder games
Historically all the people I’m talking about made those games and are now gone, which is my point. I unfortunately don’t have high hopes for their next game if their recent writing in GTA5 is any indication…
It will be. The fans of gtaiv and gtav were children when those games came out. Their brains and personalities were in utero basically.
Grown ass men in their 40s will play gtavi and see how silly and profoundly lame the GTAverse is.
Genz and gen a will be nothing except offended by everything in the game. I have no doubt they’re (rockstar) going to pander to the trans community to save a little face.
I’m certain the game will flop, especially because all their design time was proooobbbabbly, building the entire micro economy and microtransaction store that’s going to be the centerpiece of the franchise going forward.
Pbbbbbbhhht. Stinker incoming.
they’re (rockstar) going to pander to the trans community to save a little face.
All trailers so far have shown nothing but swaggering toxic male bravado, and an “equal” (but let’s be honest, she’s second fiddle) female partner who is far from androgenous.
I think GenZ will hate the lack of inclusivity, as I think Rockstar is targeting conservatives as their main audience
Since it’s an exaggerated mirror of society, it will have all elements of society. People analyze these things too much.
you’re probably right, but I have a feeling the social commentary side of Rockstar left when Dan Houser and Lazlo went, leaving what I suspect to just be the cruelty behind without the satire…
*Since it was an exaggerated…
The fans of gtaiv and gtav were children when those games came out. Their brains and personalities were in utero basically.
Based on what exactly? Because these games where played by a diverse range of players - of course, this included children below 12, but there where also teenagers and adults. Its insulting how you’re making such an over generalisation - essentially calling everyone “children”.
Please no, there’s not been a decent one in forever, and people just are so hyped
I am done with giant open world games. Data point of one but my current preference is shorter, much more narrowly scoped games.
How could you not enjoy running across the map for 20 min for a 2 min fetch quest and then going back another 20 min to another part of the map to speak to the person who gives you the reward? Don’t you like commuting?
Hey, fuck you. Sometimes just commuting is a nice change of pace from my favorite game, Desert Bus.
Desert Bus is soon!
I actually like traveling in open-world games. It gets me immersed in the universe.
My roommate still plays GTA5 and all she does is sit online and gamble in the casino. She plays in the living room for hours just to grind a new car only to use the same 2 motorcycles or some new missions she won’t play.
That’s grim, but definitely been there in other games.
IDK she seems to enjoy it. I guess she’s trying to get every car in pink before it shutters. (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I mean, I have hundreds of hours on American Truck Simulator.
My current preference is games that have a requirement like “graphics card (optional)”
Cataclysm dda. You can just play it on a terminal.
Though now that I think it… It’s a giant open world game.
Cataclysm dda
This looks rad as hell, thanks!
It’s fun to play in Project Zomboid too
Same! Lately I’ve been going back to 90’s titles to see what I missed out on and trying new genres, which has been unexpectedly rewarding, found quite a few gems that really stood the test of time.
Yeah big open worlds become a chore and you end up skipping most of it after a while when you unlock fast travel.
Timmy Turner you dumbass, just wish for it. Praying? Really?
God is dead because Timmy Turner killed him
Then whO WAS PHONE?
