• bthest@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    What the fuck is going on? So that photo is for real? Am I dying? What’s wrong with his fucking legs? That’s not what legs do. Why does that guy have clown shoes? WHY?!

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    14 hours ago

    The same type of Portuguese that got their asses handed to them in Angola and Mozambique. The racist shitbag, Bovino, should have been denied entry into the EU or arrested and handed over to the ICC.

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      12 hours ago

      Given that Bovino commited his crimes in the US, the ICC has no mandate. Unless, you know of crimes he committed in Mexico or Canada. That would change things and might make it a matter for the ICC.

      Should have Portugal denied entry? Maybe but I guess people just don’t care enough about some random failure like Bovino.

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    14 hours ago

    to say what “We made our country a shithole, and with our help, you can too!”?

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    Portuguese people HATE fascists. You don’t even have to be that old in Portugal to remember living under a fascist dictator.

    But I guess that doesn’t stop the lunatic fringe.

    Also, most Portuguese people look hispanic so I really wonder how an ICE-like force there would go…

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      Hi from Portugal. Chega (far right) is a major party in parliament right now (1/3) and arguably PSD (another 1/3) has gone far right lately especially on immigration. So we basically have two out of three parties who are far-right.

      One of them even talked in parliament about “diluting Portuguese blood” and “keeping Portugal for the Portuguese”, right before they voted to retroactively prevent all the foreigners from being allowed to apply for nationality, and prevent most of the southeast Asians from being eligible to renew their residency.

      They are also talking about trying to amend the constitution, not to put anything good in there.

      So uh, you sure about that?

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        7 hours ago

        Hi, thanks for the info. That’s uhh, concerning.

        I guess the far right is on the rise everywhere, but I would have thought it would get quashed when the world saw the US go ass up. Unfortunately, it seems I was wrong.

        When I was in Portugal not that long ago, everyone I talked to seemed to be fairly anti-fascist. But maybe there was some selection bias at play.

        I don’t know what else to tell you. It sucks watching one’s country slide into fascism. It sucks watching the world slide into fascism. I wish I had better answers than that…

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          Hey! Another input from a Portuguese (without any meaningful information, just my vibes and feelings): Regarding your selection bias, up until recently I think a lot of people were ashamed of being fascist (I only met one teacher that said “… but our past dictator made Portugal rich!!!”), so most people would pretend to align with anti fascism. Nowadays it has been normalized and people yell bs without hesitating :(

          I believe that we will have a fascist revolution before de-fascistizing the country. I just hope I can retire and live peacefully in a non-fascist Portugal :(

          (Sorry if my comment is confusing, I just woke up and this post made me sad :( I felt the need to comment)

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            It’s planned. Basically a decentralized neo axis. Thats the fun part seem to leave out regarding epstein, he discusses implementing governmental manipulation all starting at brexit… I feel like a damn crazy person (well, more crazy) yelling about this but it seems like everyone’s busy or just ignoring it

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      10 hours ago

      I feel like their racism is selective enough to consider Portuguese-looking Portuguese in Portugal as “okay” and Portuguese-looking Mexicans with the same exact skin colour in the US as not okay, does that make sense?

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        10 hours ago

        I don’t know, all three Portuguese guys in that picture are white-passing.

        Which, if it’s any surprise, is more common among the upper-class in Portugal. Shocker, I know…

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    20 hours ago

    Why is a concentration camp commander type asshole allowed to set foot in Europe?

    Deportbthe fucker on arrival

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    16 hours ago

    The right is slowly re-adding Hispanics to the list of “white” people.

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    13 hours ago

    I would describe Gregory Bovino as the intersection between Fascism and a washed-up, coked-out retired, old Abercrombie & Fitch model.

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    21 hours ago

    I honestly wonder if american white supremacists would consider Portuguese people to be white.

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        The Nazis wouldn’t have qualified by the standards at the time of the American Revolution in Benjamin Franklin’s eyes. Nor even the Italian side of Bovino’s family.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observations_Concerning_the_Increase_of_Mankind,_Peopling_of_Countries,_etc.

        https://www.profmarkbaker.com/blog/2017/6/3/whiteness

        [W]hy should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.

        Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.

        I have always been labeled as white—by myself and others. Yet not according to Ben Franklin. My ancestors are the exact people he sees as a threat to whites. They came from Germany and swarmed into Franklin’s beloved Pennsylvania. My father is a 6th generation German-American. And even after five generations in Pennsylvania they still spoke German. My grandfather did not learn English until he went to school. According to Franklin I am not white, but a swarthy German—a threat to the ways of whiteness.

        It is common place to observe that most of those who complain about immigrants today are part of ethnic groups that once were slandered and scorned in similar ways. Franklin’s comments reinforce that important observation. Important, but not new for me. What was new for me was the realization that there was a time when some people would not have seen me as white.

        “White” is a surprisingly mutable term over time as social norms change.

        EDIT: I’d also add that you can also watch, over the course of America’s history, “Protestant” morph into “Christian” and then morph into “Judeo-Christian” in political speeches and the like among people complaining about traditional American values being under threat.

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          Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion

          Sorry what? I literally can’t even. And that’s not hyperbole.

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            But they are not of those noble Saxon roots, are they? As we all know the miraculously only white complexion among all those swarthy German tribes. That is because that would be awkward if they hadn’t been, given that they were a key group forming the English master race I suppose. The only truly white people on earth. /s

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            I mean, low melanin is a thing. Having to slather on the factor 50 before even thinking about leaving the house is a thing. I used to think that was what white meant. Then I met The Americans and their really odd ideas.

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              “Recently” is a nicely intangible term that can cover some bandwidth of meaning, depending on one’s intention.

              The concept of whiteness is roughly 400 years old and a very important part of western cultural history after the middle ages. It exists as a cultural phenomenon that needs to be studied critically.

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                  Why would that matter? The cultural concept of whiteness began in the 17th century. Definitions and categorizations have shifted but what different makes the exact time when italians were considered white and when not? Different dates would not chance the fact that whiteness is a cultural concept and an important one in modern (as in “post middle ages”, not as in “right now”) western history.

                  What are you even trying to argue, what is your point?

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      In my experience, no. Portuguese, Spanish, and Italian people are all below “white people” and above most other “non-whites” in their racial hierarchy. I think white supremacists usually give them bonus points for being European so its not as virulent a hatred as with other groups, but it’s still there.

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      The concept of race is a strange thing, and it varies widely by culture.

      I live in Colombia, and people here mostly consider themselves to be white. The few exceptions are people of African descent or people with strong indigenous heritage.

      Obviously, Stephen Miller and his ilk don’t consider Latinos to be white. If they did, ICE wouldn’t have persecuted them so heavily for the past year.

      Look at the very select groups this administration has welcomed into the country. Miller et al consider South Africans to be white. Do they offer the same consideration to the Portuguese?

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        I wish more people understood this. Race is a hateful social construct put in place by our ancestors ignorance. It’s one of those things like religious violence, and oppression that has straight up held all of humanity back in the worst possible ways.

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      11 hours ago

      no, it’s retired because he wasnt fired. so he’ll still be able to pull a pension and everything.