Ridiculous.
The obvious solution is bucket chain. It works out logistically as well, no need for infrastructure you see, the buckets are the infrastructure! After nth number of buckets of oil have been sent, you simply send one with water, one with food and a third bucket for shitting and pissing in. The sewage is dumped into the ocean at the end. You can even transport people in the buckets down the line for shift changes.
Also, It creates jobs and a bucket demand, stimulating the local economy.
Admittedly, I haven’t figured out the bucket return logistics yet.
Just throw the bucket in the ocean when you’re done with it. The water’s like right there.
Here me out, buckets for carrying buckets back!
Why would you ever go with the uncool truck solution while this solution is on the table??
Darn insurance bean counters won’t let us do anything fun
You don’t need insurance. Imagine the stunt bonus on that flip.
Lmao liberals discovering why pipelines exist is funny af it will never get old to me
Or, hear me out, a train line specifically designed to carry goods.
Even that’s not gonna be efficient enough for this problem lol. They need like, a continuous supply of barrels, in the region of 1000-3000 per minute, every single minute of the day 24/7.
It’s A LOT.
I agree, I was more just riffing on the running joke that liberals will go for all types of ‘futuristic’ transport options, like the hyperloop and boring company, that are essentially worse versions of a train.
People underestimate how MUCH oil is used daily. Our strategic oil reserves are ~415 million barrels and we use about 20.6m barrels a day.
The US Strategic Petroleum Reserve, sitting at 415 million barrels going into the crisis, was described by energy analysts at Rapidan Energy as “finite and insufficient to fully offset” the supply gap created by the Hormuz closure. Even at its maximum drawdown rate of 4.4 million barrels per day, the SPR could only cover a fraction of the estimated 11 to 16 million barrels of daily Persian Gulf supply being blocked by the effective closure of the strait.
Even knowing the scale of it I still had to run and re-run the numbers to make sure I wasn’t being silly when I said “per minute”. No really, it’s genuinely that much. It’s an absolutely enormous amount that’s difficult to appreciate.
Eh it’s only like 20-50 barrels per second
When the person trudging through the desert in front of you gets hit by a missile, you pick up their oil and keep moving
the flammable liquid produced in the upper crust of the earth will surely be transported safely through the numerous mantle layers and outer core of the earth
Just keep it under immense pressure the whole time, ez
This will definitely work for diesel too, trust
the heat will Make it flow faster
I support this because it really makes literal the US gulping down the world’s resources through a straw
just fucking put a shipping label on a jerry can and mail that shit to the U.S. via Amazon
The emiratis did try to do this but with a pipeline instead but the Iranians just bombed the outer port lol
A pipeline is, if anything, MORE vulnerable than a strait. It’s impossible to protect the whole thing.
You cant make movies like that anymore coz of woke.
so Herzog hired Kinski, with whom he had previously clashed violently during production of Aguirre, the Wrath of God (1972), Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979), and Woyzeck (1979). Their fourth collaboration fared no better. When shooting was nearly complete, the chief of the Machiguenga tribe, whose members were used extensively as extras, asked Herzog if they should kill Kinski for him, though Herzog declined.
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What is this image from?
Fitzcarraldo by Werner Herzog
Fitzcarraldo
Aside from so many reasons this wouldn’t work, im pretty sure bombs destroy roads. They wouldnt wven have to aim at a ship to so any damage, just blow up the road
It’s a desert, it’s basically just flat, why do you need a road?
you jest but we used to have this thing called land-trains and there’s some precedent for off-road overland travel in fuckoff giant vehicles from the early 20th century.
Also landships. Big ass sleds with sails to traverse deserts and arctic areas. I don’t think they were ever widespread, but they have been used. Really cool.
I have been owned. I must retire
There is a paved overland route, from Abu Dhabi to Al Ashkharah. About 773 km or 8 hrs according to Google maps. Now you just need to build a shipping terminal (I’m assuming Al Ashkharah doesn’t have the infrastructure in place) and enough trucks for 20% of daily global oil consumption. One ship holds about 2 million barrels, so that’s just (on the basis of some googling) 7,246 standard truckloads per ship, times an average of 100 transits per day is 724,600 trucks. I’m sure they won’t mind the extra traffic.
Might get a little hairy around the Al Salam Grand Resort, though.
Plus: that roadway is in range of shahed drones, and so shipment convoys could be easily attacked.
Just spread the trucks out from their current density of 1 per meter to uh, something else.
Since 6 axel semi trailer trucks are about 16 meters long, you can easily accommodate 1 per meter, by simply making this over 773 km long road a 16 lanes highway. Oh wait, the empty trucks have to drive back too. So 32 lanes in total. And add a few lanes for other traffic, because these trucks will have to drive bumper to bumper. If you want to spread them out against attacks, there’s always space for more lanes in the desert.
why don’t we keep all the trucks parked on the road, but have a hose running from one to the next all the way to the port?
Aw beans, aw heck, we made another Houston, TX again, didn’t we?
Get some logs, roll the tankers over land. No need for shipping terminal or trucks, and the technology has existed since ancient times.
I’m disappointed in everyone in this subthread for not trying to work trains into this.
They understand that we’re talking about American problem-solving here.
I once tried to do this in Workers and Resources. It didn’t work.
Actually the trucks in the very serious diagram are at least a kilometer long
I guess this would be the ONE case where you wouldn’t want to just build a pipeline or a train and actually use trucks instead since they’re less vulnerable to getting blown the fuck up, but that’s you know assuming they do this dumb thing at all
The road could still be blown the fuck up, making the route essentially impassible to heavily-laden trucks.
Just make it a half kilometer wide superhighway.
Somehow, The Line returned.
a truck could still conceivably drive around a crater and it’s easier to have an engineer corp build a makeshift bridge (maybe not for 10000 trucks per day) than lay a new rail or build a new pipeline (plus I feel like a broken pipeline large enough to circumvent the need for the strait of hormuz would dump a shitload of oil)
i’m not pro plan truck here I’m just saying my first thought was “why not pipeli- oh, wait”
It depends on the offroad terrain, because heavily-laden oil trucks aren’t exactly as maneuverable as jeeps in commercials. If it’s all plains or something then sure, but you only need one chokepoint along the entire route to choke it.
And it just takes one bomb and you have to close the way for a rebuild, interrupting all flow. Iran has more than one bomb ready for that job, and the US is scrambling for interceptors
So, we’re making train tracks instead?
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and like missiles can’t just like, hit the ports
That’s why the US has a robust air defense system in the region that—
*checks notes*
Oh. Hmm yeah I dunno
i didn’t know anything about THAAD but it really seems like idk decades old equipment getting btfo’d by newer developments and huh looks like the first working one was in 2013
I don’t understand the U.S. military planning beyond “it’s all a grift and there’s no real planning” because like, why not do all this mad dog bombing shit then, if at all, if this is the best missile defense they’ve got? or were Iranian ballistic missiles good enough even then for them to worry? if that’s the case (actually, either way) why the fuck only have eight of them, worldwide? what? what is this? like sure they’re a billion dollars but like. oh my god they shit that money for breakfast on their wunderwaffen toilets, just build more missile shit?
like I want america to lose (without me or my loved ones dying or going homeless would be great) but I can’t help but just be critical of the seeming lack of forethought here. For the cost of the last 2 years of aid to israel you could have like 10-15 of these motherfuckers made just for the Gulf region instead of this scrambling “oh god we need to bring the one from Korea!” shit (which, at that, uhh if the first already got blown the fuck up what’s the plan for the second, geniuses?)
like holy hell god damn
Traditional missile defense isn’t really the problem. The main issue is that these were designed to take out more sophisticated missile attacks from peer adversaries over huge areas of defense.
The real problem is that drones have changed the game. Now your billion dollar platform is firing millions of dollars of ammunition to take out a bunch of drones that only cost thousands of dollars to make.
Now instead of just shooting off a bunch of missile attacks, militaries like Iran have learned to saturate the area with a bunch of drones as well . With the goal of either confusing the intercept capabilities, or just overwhelming them.
yeah so why did they wait until Iran had these drone capabilities before doing anything, because now they’re just throwing their nuts into the grinder seemingly relying on dated technology that is no longer useful
so why did they wait until Iran had these drone capabilities before doing anything
Prob a multifaceted issue. For one, the US military has a tradition of always preparing to fight the last war, not a future one. But imo, it’s a greater symptom of a dying empire. One where corruption allows for the revolving door of higher command to retire to defense industries that bid on government contracts.
Generals know that moving away from these billion dollar platforms would piss off their future employers, so they just put off any actual upgrades for personal gain.
because now they’re just throwing their nuts
Not really their own nuts, just the nuts of some lower enlisted they don’t care for anyways.
on dated technology that is no longer useful
It’s still impressive tech that could be useful for decades to come if they account for things like drones by other means. In terms of military service a couple decades is still pretty new for most things.
My friend’s dad is in a position where he advices purchases for the Canadian navy (gross i know) but the decision is made higher up than him. He would constantly moan about stuff like this cause it generally led to his propositions not going through. Dude was big on rail guns
I think realistically the plan was to never actually do anything direct in the first place, just ensure a status quo of localized MAD where neither side can actually risk attacking the other because it’s lose-lose, posture and threaten in order to bully concessions out of Iran while letting the color revolution machine churn along and maybe accomplish something someday, and station some token defenses around the area to stop small scale skirmishes from hitting anything too important.
It wasn’t until Israel exploded in a pent up frenzy of aimlessly, frantic violence for the simple purpose of spreading horror and death that a hot war became a possibility, and the Trump regime is too bumbling and incompetent to contain the situation.
Because previous administrations realized that this would be a giant clusterfuck no matter what, so didn’t pull the trigger.
The US military is made impotent by its tight coupling to the mil-ind complex. Equipping decisions are not made by the military but by the complex. The more parts that go into a weapon, the more jobs are created to build those parts, the more congresspeople vote to fund those weapons to secure those jobs in their districts to win elections. So you end up with infinite R&D money being thrown into a pit labelled “Wunderwaffen” with like 10% going into a district and 90% into the pockets of Raytheon shareholders, and those Wunderwaffen that get off the ground have supply chains that are far too long and have extra markup at every stage, because they’re ultimately make-work programs.
Versus, say, Shahed drones, which you can crank off an assembly line and fly out the door.
THAAD is actually pretty solid, its main problem is that there are too few of them, and too few missiles for them too, so it is really easy to just overload them with cheap mass-produced missiles.
yeah which is like, a problem you think you’d fix with the billions of dollars you’re dumping into your military
Billions of dollars mean nothing if you don’t really have the productive capacity.
seems like a losing strategy tho
The important thing is that up until now it made a lot of money for the capitalist class.
Yeah, that’s what we are seeing now.
The Omanis have been considered a neutral party in this conflict and Iran has denied responsibility for every attack in this war that has occurred on their territory.
Much more plausibly, the UAE has a pipeline that terminates at an oil port in Oman. I personally do not expect the Iranians to attack this port, even though it will allow the UAE to export oil without passing through the strait of Hormuz.
The parts of the pipeline in the UAE though…I wouldn’t escalate if I were them
Not sure why no one else thought of this
What eternal carbrain does to an MF
Can’t even think of a train!
