• Cimbazarov [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    This is a legit demographic, where they dont really care about identifying as right or left (in burgerlander terms), but just want to see someone talk to their material conditions. Liberals will however get into tangle of overthinking how to appeal to the working class, and come up with the “left” needing to be more racist amd transphobic to appeal to the masses. Its the material conditions stupid

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      Pretty much. It’s why so many people who don’t seem like racist fuckwads voted for trump anyway - they heard what they wanted to hear about how his “policies” would directly improve their own lives. Excusing the nazi agenda because of hypothetical selfish gains is insane but that’s a whole other mess to untangle.

      There’s a huge voting demographic who literally only cares about their own self-interest, and if a candidate speaks to that in words they understand, no matter what letter’s next to their name, they’ll go for it.

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    Stuff like this is why all the move-toward-the-center tripe that the DC donor class likes to peddle is just bullshit. It’s never as simple as projecting the political spectrum to a 1D axis and assuming you need to take the “average” or “median” voter’s positions to achieve maximum popularity. Your “average” person is incoherent, and you need to have a backbone of values that can energize a base of support. Class analysis will always lead you to identify the widest potential base, but they’ll never do that!

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      Whenever I am forced to talk politics with people and they bring up ‘oh I’m in the middle’, I just ask them ‘in the middle of what’ and force them to try to explain either the political compass or line graph they are visualizing and picking apart the metaphor through Socratic dialogue. It irritates the absolute shit out of people but it usually gets them to either stop talking to me about it, or stop thinking about politics in those terms because it is easily demonstrated to be nonsense.