Its always jarring to see bigots disgrace just the Quran and Islam.
I’d argue fundamentalist Christians and Christian Zionists follow a nearly identical ideology and commit nearly identical atrocities as any radical Islamic Jihadist.
I’ve always said both Christianity and Islam are my enemy. Both science denying, sexist, power hungry institutions with a penchant for fucking kids. The only difference, in the West, is that Christianity was made to bend the knee a long time ago. I think Islam still needs that lesson.
Regardless, fuck them both. Sky daddy worshipping death cults.
Tbf the problem was always race rather than religion.
Lol the best part is that she forces them to learn something.
Burning a Quran because you hate Muslims is bigoted but burning a Quran (or any holy text) because the priestly class is how the ruling class maintains control over the working class in almost every society and religion is tool of oppression is a chad move.
The bacon thing is a dead giveaway that this is bigotry.
And burning a Qur’an because it’s old and you need to dispose of it is just the way Muslims use to do it.
Everything that I’ve ever read has been that Qurans are kept essentially forever or buried in some traditions. Like, verses from the Quran in other publications will be printed specifically not in Arabic so the magazine or newspaper can be discarded at the end.
both are bigotry actually. Theology is a discipline, almost as old as mathematics. It predates classes to begin with. EDIT: edited a word.
Theology is a discipline, almost as old as mathematics. It predates classes to begin with.
BULLSHIT.
The theocrat was the original ‘high class’. The priests have been grifting the commons since day one. All knowing, all loving, all powerful god, WHO SOMEHOW NEEDS TEN PERCENT OF MY EARNINGS?
theology is a discipline of grift and deceiving the masses.
WHO SOMEHOW NEEDS TEN PERCENT OF MY EARNINGS?
zakat is actually 2.5% of your hoarded (for a whole year) money that exceeds 87.48 grams of gold, given to the poor. Shouldn’t that actually be a means to elimination of class ?
Doesn’t sound particularly progressive. 87g of gold is like $10k and it’s a flat rate. Empirically there are plenty of Muslim billionaires anyway, so it ain’t working. Would be interesting to tot up billionaires per capita by religion but I don’t think it would be particularly meaningful because the US skews everything, and how “practicing” someone is of their religion is impossible to measure.
give money to the poor any day. giving it to a church, temple, mosque etc., is just ignoring the truly needy.
They ask you, [O Muhammad], what they should spend. Say, “Whatever you spend of good is [to be] for parents and relatives and orphans and the needy and the traveler. And whatever you do of good - indeed, Allah is Knowing of it.” 1
I know right?
just like christians and the good samaritan - they know it’s part of their core beliefs but… ¯_ (ツ)_/¯ they choose to keep giving money to anyone but the ones who truly need it.
why is it so hard for believers to actually hew to the values their beliefs are built around? so strange… it’s like, they believe in an all powerful deity but somehow think he won’t notice them ignoring the needy?
and it’s not all believers. goodness knows. but so many…
How exactly is it a science? A philosophical persuit? Most definitely and a very serious one at that. But a science? Not sure how the scientific method applies
ngl, I had to google to realize that English word “science” doesn’t encapsulate things like mathematics, law, literature…ect. I used a literal translation here, mah bad. I should’ve said discipline or study here. Thanks for pointing it.
Unfortunately, this happens in English alot. Well have five words to discuss a concept, but all slightly differently and they’re not interchangeable
haven’t you ever heard of christian science? it’s not science either, by scientific standards, but believers LOVE to muddy the waters and cast their FAITH as something tangible, provable, worthy of science.
It’s all a distraction, again, from actual science.
provable
yes, theologians argue that logic is enough to prove the existence of God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument
If you refute logic/reason cuz you only like science that you experiment on, then you’re too caught in the material buddy. Remember that math doesn’t seem to follow the scientific method either you know ? Please don’t tell me you refute it too.I notice that the word I know in my language kalam is a little different from theology, but theology is the closest translation I have.
Mathematics is all about developing logical tools. Basically things like “if we start with this assumption, then you can make this conclusion”. After you’ve developed all of these tools, then you can look at the universe around you and apply those tools to your observations in order to come to new conclusions about that same universe. There necessarily needs to be that input that ties it back to reality. Mathematics on its own doesn’t tell us anything about reality.
theologians argue that logic is enough to prove the existence of God
they have to. science keeps painting ‘god’ into a smaller and smaller corner every day.
Remember that math doesn’t seem to follow the scientific method either you know
LOLOLOL
it’s repeatedly provable, stood the test of time, like the scientific method, it’s consistency and reproducibility weigh much more than philosophy stack exchange k thnks.
this really isn’t a discussion I’m interested in continuing.
Personally I don’t think they actually did burn the Quran I think they just got a picture, otherwise they’ve gone out and bought a purchased with their own money, how many times are they going to do that.
Also, most of them don’t look like the kind of person that would waste bacon grease.
These are the people who smashed Keurig machines and burned items that they owned.
I think you may be overestimating the intelligence levels of people who do this shit. They will spend stupid amounts of money on troll acts.
Especially if they’re content creators trying for subscribers
Some book burners haven’t learned from history
Other book burners want to immitate it.
Not good for the environment at all. The only acceptable way to dispose of any book or paper is through recycling. Destrying holy books is very juvenile anyways.
That image looks machine generated… also not good for the environment.
It was done to make sure mistakes of Quran’s printing couldn’t be reused by others.
Ngl I am a muslim and was thaught it’s valid form of disposing Quran but I still would find it immoral to burn books due to context of Nazis.
tossing it to trash would be disrespectful you know. If someone needs it when you don’t, you can donate it to them.
Donating to a library would be best option definetely.
What happened to good ol’ piss on the book
Watch out, we’re dealing with a badass.
Bigots are cringe
Religion is also cringe
Male supremacists are also cringe.
Both are equally fucking cringe.
One for being an obvious hypocrite in opposition of religion and only burning one of the books.
One for pretending that muslims doesn’t try to murder those that burns “their” book.
Fuck both of them.
Dude wait till you hear about this religion called Christianity.
Are you blind or stupid? I told you that he’s a hypocrite for only burning one of the books.
Hm yes all Muslims are exactly the same
Hey, if the shoe fits the religious foot.
Yeah, we get it, you’ve recently discovered atheism and think you’re proving a point. Yawn. Call me when you’re burning the Kyballion. I’ll bring smores.
Under what circumstances would anyone need to dispose of a book?
When someone dies and it’s part of their estate sale, and nobody wants to buy the book, and bookstores & thrift stores don’t want to receive it as donation?
Not in the case of books treated as timeless, but we do print a lot of contemporary stuff that is designed to become irrelevant. School books, manuals, law books, phonebooks etc. It traditionally was and still is a convinient form of sharing a lot of information. Computers with dynamically changing content are there to replace it now, but they are yet to do so, and there are good reasons for it.
perhaps if the book degrades to an unusable state
Look, if you stab someone to death because they burned your holy book, maybe stab yourself first pls.
This person doesn’t sound like they’re going to stab anybody. Exactly the opposite, in fact.
Oh no, this wasn’t meant towards the lovely person in the post. I got derailed.
I don’t fuck with the types “oh imma burn dis buk cuz it’s pissing off da muslimps”. But i really don’t think they should be stabbed to death for it.
If you burn a book because you think it will deeply offend others and then feel the need to post it on the internet for rage bait and then you get stabbed by a person you raged with your bait I’m not really going to feel bad.
If they burned a Quran at a protest for sharia law that’s a different story but they literally are just trying to get a reaction out of someone so if they manage to that’s on them
what is this bot response
Why are you burning it?
Cuz it fits nicely on the burning pile with the Bible and the Torah :)
And we’re stirring up religious division because of what reason?
Because we want religious people to divide the heck away from us, post-haste
Bollocks. You know why. Just say it.
Krakatoa?
Some people just hate religion, but there are socialists who genuinely think it’s a conspiracy
because it goes against lemmy.ml ToS of no homophobia, no sexism, etc
So because a book that is over 1000 years old goes agains ToS of a few year old lemmy instance, you feel the need to burn it?
Why wouldn’t you just ignore it? I think the real reason might be a different one, and you should probably evaluate your feelings to find that out.
Remember, we all have internalised racism in us, the difference is just how aware we are of it, and how we handle it.
Yeah, the real reason is that the followers of these books want to push their beliefs onto others, turn them into laws, and ignoring them won’t make them go away. In every place where the followers of these books became the majority, the minorities are extremely repressed. The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages, but there are several other countries currently living in their own Dark Ages because of the same desert trilogy. That book literally says its followers should kill me and others just because of the way they were born, so fuck it, it deserves no respect from anyone, it has nothing to do with race, it’s 100% religion.
The Qur’an literally teached to not take a life, “whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.” (https://quran.com/al-maidah/32)
All verses about killing disbelievers are in the context of war, of the times when the early Muslims were under attack.
Also, traditionally people of other religions were living a good life under muslim rule, because unlike Christianity, Islam forbids forced conversions.
Yeah, yeah, all these books say do A and don’t do A and the hypocrite choose which he likes better to say which is right and who’s the true Scotsman… theoretical or historical contexts matters little on street-level reality. Meanwhile, I can safely say all the crap I want about Christianism and even wear anti-Christian symbols, however one must watch his back if he does the same with Islam.
So your point is that that people are uneducated and ignore context, and thus books are bad?
And concerning insulting Christians, go to Texas and pee on a cross, then we can talk. Of course you can safely do that where you are, probably because there are not a lot of Christians in your area, but the more of one population there are, the hight the chances that one of them is crazy.
The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages
But that’s a Europe thing you know.
EDIT: actually western Europe.I thought that by always referring to books in the plural, calling it the desert trilogy, and mentioning the Dark Ages, it was obvious that I’m not singling out the burning of the Qur’an as good… in my country, it’s not Muslims who have infected politics and try to push religious law, but a sect of fundamentalist Christians… yet, the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia, so I feel sorry for countries with people on the streets calling for sharia.
only things that I know of “sharia” from Qur’an are:
- one hundred lashes for adultery,
- eighty lashes for accusing chaste women of adultery and failing to produce four witnesses,
- Qisas,
- cutting the hand of the thieves (when very specific conditions are met),
- total prohibition of interest in debt,
- hiraba
I wish you criticize them only if the laws of your country solved these problems efficiently (unless you don’t consider them problems),
And it is kinda strange that you’re hurt when you didn’t have contact with Islam?
…you want to ignore sexism? Something something white moderates something
Right so instead it’s much better to get mad about an old book. The Bible is pretty sexist if we’re being honest so maybe we should just burn all of the books.
If we were to burn all books we disagree with, we’d probably have to burn lots of books. But what would that be good for?
Just because you burn a book it doesn’t make disappear the ideas in that book. If you burn Harry Potter books you won’t make J.K. Rowling any poorer, probably the exact opposite, because you’d have to get the book first.
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When ya gonna start on the conservative party?
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
You know who founded that instance right. They’re not good people, so getting holy and then thou about a book violating your rules is a bit weird.
I don’t know who this woman is but I love her. Calmly disassembling this douchnozzle’s attempt at desecration.
So he should have eaten the book with some bacon.
I think the lesson is: the friends we made were on the way to the bookburning. Or maybe: life is like a box of burned books? IDK.
