Yeah, the real reason is that the followers of these books want to push their beliefs onto others, turn them into laws, and ignoring them won’t make them go away. In every place where the followers of these books became the majority, the minorities are extremely repressed. The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages, but there are several other countries currently living in their own Dark Ages because of the same desert trilogy. That book literally says its followers should kill me and others just because of the way they were born, so fuck it, it deserves no respect from anyone, it has nothing to do with race, it’s 100% religion.
The Qur’an literally teached to not take a life, “whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.” (https://quran.com/al-maidah/32)
All verses about killing disbelievers are in the context of war, of the times when the early Muslims were under attack.
Also, traditionally people of other religions were living a good life under muslim rule, because unlike Christianity, Islam forbids forced conversions.
Yeah, yeah, all these books say do A and don’t do A and the hypocrite choose which he likes better to say which is right and who’s the true Scotsman… theoretical or historical contexts matters little on street-level reality. Meanwhile, I can safely say all the crap I want about Christianism and even wear anti-Christian symbols, however one must watch his back if he does the same with Islam.
So your point is that that people are uneducated and ignore context, and thus books are bad?
And concerning insulting Christians, go to Texas and pee on a cross, then we can talk. Of course you can safely do that where you are, probably because there are not a lot of Christians in your area, but the more of one population there are, the hight the chances that one of them is crazy.
I thought that by always referring to books in the plural, calling it the desert trilogy, and mentioning the Dark Ages, it was obvious that I’m not singling out the burning of the Qur’an as good… in my country, it’s not Muslims who have infected politics and try to push religious law, but a sect of fundamentalist Christians… yet, the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia, so I feel sorry for countries with people on the streets calling for sharia.
I’ve read Persepolis. I’m struggling to understand what point you’re trying to make.
If it’s that Handmaid’s Tale is unrealistic, then you’re just wrong. Margaret Atwood specifically made sure only to include things that people have already done (almost always in the name of religion). Here’s a quote from her about it:
The thing to remember is that there is nothing new about the society depicted in The Handmaid’s Tale except the time and place. All of the things I have written about have been done before, more than once.
“When I wrote The Handmaid’s Tale,” Atwood says in the promo, “nothing went into it that had not happened in real life somewhere at some time. The reason I made that rule is that I didn’t want anybody saying, ‘You certainly have an evil imagination, you made up all these bad things.’
I wish you criticize them only if the laws of your country solved these problems efficiently (unless you don’t consider them problems),
And it is kinda strange that you’re hurt when you didn’t have contact with Islam?
Right so instead it’s much better to get mad about an old book. The Bible is pretty sexist if we’re being honest so maybe we should just burn all of the books.
If we were to burn all books we disagree with, we’d probably have to burn lots of books. But what would that be good for?
Just because you burn a book it doesn’t make disappear the ideas in that book. If you burn Harry Potter books you won’t make J.K. Rowling any poorer, probably the exact opposite, because you’d have to get the book first.
Why are you burning it?
Cuz it fits nicely on the burning pile with the Bible and the Torah :)
And we’re stirring up religious division because of what reason?
Because we want religious people to divide the heck away from us, post-haste
Bollocks. You know why. Just say it.
Krakatoa?
Some people just hate religion, but there are socialists who genuinely think it’s a conspiracy
because it goes against lemmy.ml ToS of no homophobia, no sexism, etc
“Aaahhh! Why are you burning the Koran, nephew?”
“Lemmy.ml ToS, uncle.”
“Carry on, wise child.”
So because a book that is over 1000 years old goes agains ToS of a few year old lemmy instance, you feel the need to burn it?
Why wouldn’t you just ignore it? I think the real reason might be a different one, and you should probably evaluate your feelings to find that out.
Remember, we all have internalised racism in us, the difference is just how aware we are of it, and how we handle it.
Yeah, the real reason is that the followers of these books want to push their beliefs onto others, turn them into laws, and ignoring them won’t make them go away. In every place where the followers of these books became the majority, the minorities are extremely repressed. The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages, but there are several other countries currently living in their own Dark Ages because of the same desert trilogy. That book literally says its followers should kill me and others just because of the way they were born, so fuck it, it deserves no respect from anyone, it has nothing to do with race, it’s 100% religion.
The Qur’an literally teached to not take a life, “whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.” (https://quran.com/al-maidah/32)
All verses about killing disbelievers are in the context of war, of the times when the early Muslims were under attack.
Also, traditionally people of other religions were living a good life under muslim rule, because unlike Christianity, Islam forbids forced conversions.
Yeah, yeah, all these books say do A and don’t do A and the hypocrite choose which he likes better to say which is right and who’s the true Scotsman… theoretical or historical contexts matters little on street-level reality. Meanwhile, I can safely say all the crap I want about Christianism and even wear anti-Christian symbols, however one must watch his back if he does the same with Islam.
Yeah, the thing you said about Christianity is not true at all in parts of the US.
So your point is that that people are uneducated and ignore context, and thus books are bad?
And concerning insulting Christians, go to Texas and pee on a cross, then we can talk. Of course you can safely do that where you are, probably because there are not a lot of Christians in your area, but the more of one population there are, the hight the chances that one of them is crazy.
But that’s a Europe thing you know.
EDIT: actually western Europe.
I thought that by always referring to books in the plural, calling it the desert trilogy, and mentioning the Dark Ages, it was obvious that I’m not singling out the burning of the Qur’an as good… in my country, it’s not Muslims who have infected politics and try to push religious law, but a sect of fundamentalist Christians… yet, the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia, so I feel sorry for countries with people on the streets calling for sharia.
Just not true.
Read Handmaid’s Tale. That’s what Christian nationalists want.
Christianity is just as bad as the rest. Stop carving out an exception.
I love Handmaid’s Tale, I suggest you reading Persepolis as well, this is one is a true history though.
I’ve read Persepolis. I’m struggling to understand what point you’re trying to make.
If it’s that Handmaid’s Tale is unrealistic, then you’re just wrong. Margaret Atwood specifically made sure only to include things that people have already done (almost always in the name of religion). Here’s a quote from her about it:
More:
https://deadline.com/2018/07/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood-masterclass-writing-class-bad-things-really-happened-1202424424/
https://www.penguin.co.uk/discover/articles/margaret-atwood-handmaids-tale-testaments-real-life-inspiration
only things that I know of “sharia” from Qur’an are:
I wish you criticize them only if the laws of your country solved these problems efficiently (unless you don’t consider them problems),
And it is kinda strange that you’re hurt when you didn’t have contact with Islam?
…you want to ignore sexism? Something something white moderates something
Right so instead it’s much better to get mad about an old book. The Bible is pretty sexist if we’re being honest so maybe we should just burn all of the books.
If we were to burn all books we disagree with, we’d probably have to burn lots of books. But what would that be good for?
Just because you burn a book it doesn’t make disappear the ideas in that book. If you burn Harry Potter books you won’t make J.K. Rowling any poorer, probably the exact opposite, because you’d have to get the book first.
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When ya gonna start on the conservative party?
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
You know who founded that instance right. They’re not good people, so getting holy and then thou about a book violating your rules is a bit weird.