amid rising online control
WeSSterners love to moralize about everything lmao
The UK government just outlawed every not-just-softcore-porn site but gaming mod sites, blogs that feature alcohol, lots ofremoved crisis & LGBTQ+ advice sites, and more if you don’t pay for government ID & then upload it to a dodgy, unrelgulated third party company.
Meanwhile we’re arresting people for literally any and all support or reference to Palestine under terrorism laws, while actual racist mob pogroms go on.
We are so far past petty “authoritarianism”.
The Anglos were firebombing mosques because a Christian man killed a bunch of kids. They’re not exactly the brightest.
Left field take: I prefer that weird British softcore style much more than the standard gonzo LOOK AT THE PENETRATION style. Even though everyone is still acting it feels more natural even accounting for those insane accents.
i miss when you searched for “amateur” and it was a couple with a fetish for being watched with a camcorder in their bedroom. sure there are no fancy camera angles but at least the people are really having sex and you can see they are super into each other
Another good thing ruined by hustle culture
that weird British softcore style
Ew; the dialogue would be all “cor blimey, well have a shifter at dis luv, oi bin practicin’ yeah? Oi bin thinkin’ yeah? We call dis 'avin a hot crumpet yeah? We iz wiv da boys all noight yeah? We iz 'avin a lauf and 'avin a bo’ol a wo’a yeah? Cor blimey”
Literally yes. I’m amazed that people are still born there with them talking like that.
As a Floridian, I can’t access pornhub and a number of other porn sites because the state says I need to give them my id first.
I don’t watch porn myself but if I didn’t already have a VPN, I’d immediately sign up for one hahaha. That’s insane.
Country where porn is banned, bans porn.
More like country where porn is banned and Western social media sites are blocked blocks Western social media site designed around porn.
iirc you can make porn but not sell it
because it already belongs to the people
Seem to be mixed opinions of this here.
I’m of the opinion sex workers should not be criminals and need protections, but sex work should not be encouraged. A longterm goal of reducing it through improvement of the conditions and targeting causes is what I would prefer.
Balancing that is never going to be easy but seems right.
This is the most correct take in the thread tbh
It’s just really difficult to say what’s right to do with something like Only Fans. I think it makes getting into sex work far too easy and far too normalised, on top of creating a massive corporation that has a vested interest in normalising sex work in society and is actively using professional marketing and other methods to achieve that.
It seems heavy handed to shut down something so many sex workers obviously rely on but at the same time I can’t see how you would handle it otherwise? Maybe a smoking approach would work? Rather than outright prohibition you could make laws banning the advertising of services related to sex work, banning branded advertising, banning visible brands, etc etc. Force it into the dark. Individual sex workers wouldn’t be affected by this much but a large company built on sex work like Only Fans would be targetable. This would probably kill the business’ ability to exist at all though so it’s possibly the same thing as banning it but through a more detached method.
I think a huge problem is how it exists on social media in the most exploitative way possible, which has driven demand way up.
I literally cannot scroll Instagram without being shown onlyfans girls. The algorithm has sensed I am a young man, and as such I need BBL’s on my feed. It’s in short formats too, with optimised attention-catching editing/text/structure or whatever. It’s insane that it exists on an app which so many children use, and it’s insane that so much of it can be served up alongside normal content.
Yeah it is absolutely everywhere and in that regard I don’t fault China’s analysis that some have translated as saying it is a “disease”.
It has contributed MASSIVELY to a rise in sex work in my opinion, but finding information on that is a mess because of the muddied terminology between compensated sex activities vs pornographic sex work. I think we can all at least agree an increase in sex work is not a good thing and aiming not to increase the population of sex workers who are in the massive majority women.
Yeah there’s defo been an explosion of it, and i suppose it’s better that the pornstars have more autonomy over their body/work than they would on porn sets of the past where the abuse is rampant, but at the same time it’s sad how easy it is to just start posting on it and how normalised it’s become.
I’ve known quite a few people to do it for some extra money - that they didn’t even necessarily need - because they figured they’re a sex positive person and don’t mind doing the minimum level of taking nude pictures for money - but soon enough they realised that it can be a very degrading process, and you get all sorts of weird people from your past suddenly watching your ‘content’ and it doesn’t feel good. And then it’s out there online, and someone’s got those pictures to do whatever they want with.
At the end of the day it’s also still exploitative in a literal labour sense because Onlyfans takes a big cut.
Probably the correct answer for the wrong reasons. Sex work (I assume) still exists in China, but OF seemed predatory for both the consumers and the models. My understanding of the platform is based on a small amount of info from a while back, but I’m guessing it’s only gotten worse since then.
The only models that make noticeable money need to do A LOT to get to that point — there was (is) this weird impression that attractive women can just sell nudes and get out of having to do real work, but the reality is that OF is very competitive.
For consumers, I’m pretty sure you need to enter a payment method just to make an account, even if you only want free content. That means they can hijack your body’s strongest urges to get you to buy more content. And then there’s the whole thing with 3rd parties catfishing people.
Taken from the true_anon sub about this.
OF is leagues less scuzzy than the traditional porn production companies, but still has its problems and scuzziness.
Traditional porn industries are still banned in China. So they aren’t being hypocritical in this decision, even if there are those that disagree with the decision on its own merit.
Oh yeah that was a general statement, not specific to China’s decision
get out of having to do real work, but the reality is that OF is very competitive
Define “real work” and have you seen the job market. All the qualifications and experience in the world can’t land you an “entry level” job. And if you do “qualify” it’s for shit pay and hours that will make you insane.
Yeah it’s a real hot take that’s for sure, but I agree with the other points. If someone is able to get outside the system and do work via OF or streaming or w/e I say good on them.
there was (is) this weird impression that attractive women can just
It’s the impression, there’s an impression that sex work is just taking a picture of you naked in the mirror and making money, which is an impression and a misrepresentation of that field.
Yeah you can’t be saying “se workers are workers and deserve rights” and 5 words later repeat the incel talking point that “sex workers don’t really do anything compared to a ‘real’ job”. You’re creating surplus value and being paid for your labor, it’s a real job in that sense. Not even under Graeber’s definition of a bullshit job is sex work not actual work.
I am saying the impression, the way it’s advertised, only fans advertising, the way they advertise it is that it’s simple work or no work at all.
here I’ll analyze every word I gave
“it’s the impression”
impression: an idea, feeling, or opinion about something or someone, especially one formed without conscious thought or on the basis of little evidence.“an impression that sex work is just taking a picture of you naked in the mirror and making money”
there is an idea based on the advertising done that doing only fans is simply just taking some pictures of yourself and getting paid a lot, which in reality there’s far more than that, yet no where did I state it’s not a real work.“which is an impression and a misrepresentation of that field.”
I again say that the previous statement is an impression people have, an idea without basis, and a misrepresentation of that field
misrepresentation: the action or offence of giving a false or misleading account of the nature of something.Are you able to understand a concept without getting mad at it?
Before OF, the avenues women had to monetize themselves were nearly non existent or leagues more dangerous than OF. I truly don’t see how the platform is exploitative of women, relatively speaking.
You could argue that it opened up the market a lot, bringing in women that wouldn’t otherwise do SW. That could also be because of the COVID economic crisis. There were a lot of women trapped in bad situations around 2020.
Something like only the top 1% of performers make a livable wage, with an even smaller percent getting “retire at 23” money. While previous websites (like Backpage and Craigslist) were more exploitative/dangerous, OnlyFans and its knockoffs sell the illusion of a better lifestyle and easy money, when the reality is you’re making less than Uber drivers.
And since anything on the internet is there forever, you can easily lose control of your content (which runs into issues like revenge porn, consent, etc.). We still live in a world that shames sex workers, so having all your stuff out there can impact future jobs. How much responsibility OnlyFans has to protect its creators’ content is still undecided like all gig work.
It’s shitty that someone could post their nudes and make all of $50, never move up the ladder, move on to a different career, then get fired from their teaching job ten years later because those photos surfaced.
This is also a very American-centric view on my part. Conditions and attitudes towards sex work are obviously going to be different in China. I do think making money on that platform isn’t as easy as advertised and misleads a lot of sex workers about how money is earned. They also don’t get health insurance/benefits, either, because it’s like Lyft and Doordash.
before my new pimp, my last pimp was way more scummy.
You aren’t really winning any hearts and minds here advocating and defending pimpery
You mean prostitution? I’m not advocating for ‘pimpery’
Prostitution can be done without pimps. OnlyFans is a pimp
the western mind can’t comprehend going on a date and spending the night in an affordable apartment in the citywhat’s a date?
It’s the dried fruit of the date palm tree. They’re really tasty
I should get some. Haven’t eaten some dates in a bit. I can make a delicious date hot chocolate
Number of a day/month/year in the calendar.
over/under this causes a struggle session
I think this demands some heavy “no investigation, no right to speak” enforcement. If someone with an informed perspective on the material reality for Chinese sex workers has something to say about it, let them, but if people wanna make strong statements for or against by just assuming that their understanding of sex work in the West maps perfectly to China then we should have no patience for it.
Well said.
Why can’t the rest of the internet work like this
The world would be a much better place if we all read 1000 times more than we wrote and we were mostly reading substantial information, instead of trash produced by other people who are reading trash.
I admit I probably read only 10 times as much as I write, and I most read this website.
eh I don’t think a lot of people have doubts that the government of China has a socially conservative bent. It’s not that surprising
Disappointing but expected. I’d like to live under a government that doesn’t try to get involved in my private life, but it seems there’s nowhere for that.
Allowing rampant corporate pimps is not “staying out of your private life”. Corporate pimps have no rights
Nationalize OnlyFans.
Kinda, yeah. Nationalizing the sex trade would be a good idea
Existing in a banned form creates a black market for exploitation, allowing it in privatized form allows for the same thing but not illegal.
just a part of human society we’ll have to figure out eventually
just a part of human society we’ll have to figure out eventually
Class society. Not human society.
People sell sex for money when the alternative is starvation and/or homelessness
If that wasn’t a concern (ie communism) then the coercive aspect would be gone
There will always be people who enjoy providing sex as a kind of community service.
People sell sex for money when the alternative is starvation and/or homelessness
Yes. But this is true of labor in general. It doesn’t mean plumbers won’t exist under communism. They will just look very different than how they do now, they won’t do what they do because the alternative is poverty or death, but will do it because it feels good to be skilled at something and to use those skills to improve the lives of the people around them. It’s not a complete perfect 1:1 analogy (nothing ever is), since for example most people have sex though most people don’t do plumbing work (though it’s reasonable to expect plumbing work will be something more people know about and do on their own as well). But that doesn’t change the fact that there will be people who enjoy it, work to become skilled at it, and provide it like I said as a kind of community service. That service is still socially necessary labor. As another analogy, therapists will also probably be vastly less necessary under communism, but there will still need to be people specially trained in helping the members of the community that need or desire help with their emotional issues who will still seek the services of a therapist (trauma will always exist even if we can reduce its incidence a thousand fold by abolishing capitalism), and as such, that socially necessary role, that need in the community for therapy, will be provided by someone who fulfills that role for their community. There is no reason to think that sex work won’t be in the same sot of position as therapy - far less common or needed in a society that isn’t sick and twisted by capitalism, but still a role that some will seek and thus provide a service and benefit to society. Yet another analogy: There will always be exhibitionists who enjoy expressing their sexuality with groups of people who enjoy watching them do so. Just as there will always be actors who enjoy performing the act of story-telling by presenting themselves as a character in that story, and there will always be people who enjoy watching them do so. A socially necessary role.
So it really bothers me when people insist that someone like me who has had positive experiences doing sex work and who took pride in bringing joy to others via that labor “simply won’t exist in a communist society.” Well, we’ll see since communism has yet to be achieved and no one knows exactly what it will look like (something even Marx pointed out), but that we don’t know how a given current profession will manifest under communism is true of all professions. And under transitional socialism, you can be damn sure that sex work will still exist, especially considering it does in some form in every current AES country.
People sell sex for money when
the alternative is starvation and/or homelessnessthere exists moneyProstitution literally can’t exist in a communist society. At best, you could exchange gifts for sex.
Right. I was only half joking, and the half that was tongue-in-cheek was only because it’s not very likely that’s how China would deal with it (though it would be funny and imo very cool if they did). I very much agree with you and if you’re curious what I think about it, see my reply to quarrk.
OurFans.
Uh aktually, Chinese sex workers having their labor value stolen by a Western e-pimp whose owner is a rabid Zionist is good.
17·10 days agoWhat is this? What is it referencing? And why do they have as much leeeeg as Kronii?
It’s code geass’ protagonist who gets a magic super power to mind control people exactly one time and starts a wild plot to overthrow the american-british mecha empire while disguised as an edgy freedom fighter / terrorist all at the same time keeping his normal high-school life separate and getting into hijinks with his school friends.
To add to Alaskaball’s comment, this character’s codename is Zero.
Boo.
The internet is for p0rn. Sex workers are legitimate workers. Social Order? Really? Getting off in your own room hurting no one in your own time is a threat to “National Morals” and “Social Order”?
Didn’t know Incels were in charge. /s
Broke: Saying OF is a threat to national morals and social order because it’s a porn site.
Woke: Saying OF is a threat to national morals and social order because it’s a Western site.
Aren’t the incels pushing AI waifus? If anything, banning OF should encourage people to go fuck each other consensually instead of spending time alone with a rectangle
He’s not just a rectangle dad his name is Juan and he is not a square
What the hell am I supposed to jork it to
Remain calm, a CCP milking machine is being deployed to your location shortly
We’re not even out of alpha yet!
It’s gonna be like that Indian AI company that was just a bunch of employees googling for people and returning the results.
Oh boy the CCP milking machine is here!
In walks a guy in a cardboard robot costume
lol no I’m legit. [NSFW for obvious reasons] Fresh Bulls Wanted
I really need to update my itch page, but now I’m worried they’re gonna decide CCP Brainwashing Milker is too risque.
LMAO
Exactly.
10,000 gallons of water to serve one grok porn
bit idea: when the 10k gallon grok porn flops, you promise a 100k gallon grok porn in 18 months that will really knock people’s socks off. then when that flops, you promise a 1M gallon grok porn…
I wonder what the heat transfer coefficient of cum is. This could be a self-solving problem.
White genocide in South Africa
Phenomenal move. Anything to oppress the gooners is justified.
Common China L. Grifiting AI is good, letting the mobile game market be filled with predatory sexual garbage(e.g Nikke, Love and Deepspace) is perfectly fine. But another opportunity to push nationalism and social conservatism in 2025? Yeah can’t miss it.
Loser ass party couldn’t handle Tencent having a bad day now turns around and acts like this.
nationalism is when foreign corporations are not allowed to sleazily profit off of economically and socially vulnerable people
social conservatism is when there are fewer sites to find noods to 拉 my 面条 to
foreign corporations are not allowed to sleazily profit off of economically and socially vulnerable people
I literally pointed out the mobile game sexualized gacha industry, made in China, that also profits from economically and socially vulnerable people.
IF you want to argue at least bother reading. You are literaly repeating my point… to argue against me? So the CPC can be cowardly socially conservative towards foreign corporations, but Chinese corporations get a pass? Typical unserious western shit you can only find on hexbear lol.
i don’t play horny mobile games but they are not using sex workers, right. who are they exploting, the voice actors? or just the regular workers that make the game?
but yes, in all seriousness, as socialists we must support the boobs games industry in aes states as well as douyin lameis. bountiful horny content is a fundamental part of a healthy society but foreign imperialists threaten to move in and reap the rewards unless they are stopped
Jesus fucking christ. Every time porn comes up you get like this. Go outside, touch some fucking grass, talk to a person of your sexual preference who isn’t on a screen, debasing themselves for money so you can jerk off. It doesn’t make people Christian fundamentalists when they point out that spending 12 hours a day gooning is unhealthy for you. Get some actual hobbies for fuck’s sake. You’ll be much happier, and we can stop this little song and dance every single time you get worried your internet tiddies are going to be taken away by the meanie head puritans at Hexbear.
Jesus fucking christ. Every time porn comes up you get like this.
Okay, you need to spill the tea lol
I’m probably being a bit too harsh, but when I recognise a username from every discussion about porn, and they always say stuff like this, or imply that anyone who thinks porn is bad is just a puritanical christian fundamentalist, it isn’t good. It’s like some people just can’t handle the idea of their treats being potentially problematic, especially when it comes to porn.
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i don’t really care but why are you shouting at this user when, from the quick search i did of their profile/posts, they aren’t exactly posting about gooning or even ‘christian fundamentalism’ 24/7 lol
It’s not all the time, but every time there is a discussion about porn, or porn adjacent topics, their opinion has rubbed me the wrong way, I honestly don’t know why I was being especially harsh here. I guess I just find it annoying when I see something I’ve interpreted as “reddit gooner brain” where porn is this special thing above criticism or analysis and is actually great and good. And they’ve tried to dismiss arguments people are making in the past by claiming they are acting like “christian fundamentalists” or making claims like “all studies showing porn is bad are just funded by christian groups.” Just very much shutting down discussion and not willing to hear out people who do have legitimate problems with a very problematic industry. Which is why I came in so aggressively I guess. I’m not going to pretend I was making a strong point here, I was just venting about frustrations I didn’t even know I had towards this user.
that’s fair thanks for answering, please don’t get mad at me but if i had the power your original comment would be a tagline just because of how 0-100 it is and every time i read it i imagine you’re replying to some sex-pest gooner hexbear who does post about porn & christian fundamentalists a lot but isn’t banned lmao - a sitcom-esque sexpest poster that everyone just shits on if you would
It was probably way too much, I’ll keep it up though, since it makes people laugh (even if they’re laughing at how unnecessarily outraged I was over nothing).
Yeah, I peg BynarsAreOk as some anti-China crank, not some gooner incel.
I peg BynarsAreOk
oh boy
OF link incoming
post history is 90% how the CPC is not perfect and that what the world needs right now is for rural chinese to overthrow their corrupt “patsoc” government (which definitely wouldn’t result in another century of humiliation)
You cooked
So are you against sexualized content? Because in one sentence you think it’s “predatory sexual garbage” and then in the next you criticize it’s regulation as “social conservatism”. Which is it?
I would love for them to actually commit to it and not just do it for show. What is the percentage of people in China using only fans enough to endanger “national morals”?
Meanwhile there are dozens of such exploitative industries which the CPC wont touch exactly because they’re hypocrites. Please do be 100% socially conservative. Please do it consistently including taking the billionaire Chinese capitalists that also profit from it.
I see. So you imagined that their intentions may not be sincere, admit you don’t actually know, but in theory fundamentally support the policy but in practice oppose it because the scenario you’ve imagined isn’t ideal. I understand your position now.
I can’t be sure what they mean but Chinese games feature gacha and other gambling stuff in form of sexy anime girls . It would be cool if they banned gambling
I think they did ban gacha elements within China. The games they produce there with gacha elements are strictly for export
They should ban it on export too
Counterpoint: all nations should ban the Zionist owned website.
I fully expect this war against Israel to begin and end on the porn site but hey, why not dream? They can do what they want, but pro-China invoking anti-zionism is just torture at this point lol.
By all means, support the Zionist website in solidarity against China expelling yet another foreign website from Chinese internet.
I am Chinese, the grandchild of a revolutionary. I’m in China every year. My grandfather and his comrades liberated Ezhou in Hubei during the civil war, and he administered the city until government was established. I’m not sure you picking the actions of the ambassador to Israel reflects the opinions towards Israel by the people and/or government at large. The PRC was one of the first countries to recognize Palestine. Agreement between Hamas and Fatah were negotiated in Beijing last year. Look at the UN voting records. Look at the Foreign Minister of China calling out Israel just 3 days ago. That’s not a double standard, it’s being competent at politics. It’s learning from the failures of the Soviet Union and it’s hard-line stances. What should we do, outright alienate ourselves by using hard power? Have our opinions dismissed wholesale by the west? Nuking Tel Aviv?
What are you arguing here? A foreign, Zionist professional middle man service has the inalienable right to operate in China because you personally find restrictions on porn to be bad?
The only reason Israel exists is because the PLA hasn’t fire bombed them all to hell, which makes China the real protectors of Zionism, haven’t you heard?
It’s funny to me that some ultra leftist posted here and got shit on so heavily in the last couple of days but then people here uncritically upvote ultra leftists takes all the time
Sybau
I support any and all attempts by the People’s Republic of China to shut down Western sites.
Based
While the (re-)ban probably happened this article doesn’t link to any sources for its claims, which makes me suspicious about the claimed quotes by government officials about “Western moral decay” and whatnot.
