Big Gitmo energy.
It’s genuinely hard for me to comprehend how fucked in the head you have to be to not only be smiling as you kidnap a child, but to then post evidence of it yourself as though it’s something to be proud of. Like it’s one thing for politicians or assholes online who are several steps removed from these atrocities to confidently spew hate online like it’s normal. How does a person not only witness this, but do it with their own two hands and have THIS reaction?
And heads up, zionists dont see americans or christians as any more human than they see palestinians.
It begins with regarding other people (be them a different skin colour, culture, or faith) as a problem. Then the roadmap to regard them as less than worthy as Humans is well on its way. Once you’ve established them as lesser and unworthy, committing atrocities on them is very easy.
@Tattorack @darthelmet I don’t think it’s ever easy even then to commit atrocities. I think it takes a special kind of degenerate people, in a degenerate environment, to become sadistic women and children murderers that also burn crops, poison wells, kill animals, enforce famine and deny relief to those they deliberately wound and maim…
History is full of examples of it being easy. You strip away the human status from a particular group and suddenly you don’t feel so bad hurting them. So long as you don’t talk with them, of course. That usually makes people realise the others are just people too.
But they are several steps removed from reality. They are so brainwashed that they think it’s okay, that normal people cheer them on, and that it’s only bad people who would see anything wrong with this.
When they’re not seen as humans but animals, vermin, etc. it becomes easy to commit such atrocities.
An excerpt from “On Freedom” by Timothy Snyder I’m currently reading helps define it some,
In Nazi propaganda, east Europeans were subhuman beasts. On Soviet posters, rich peasants were pigs. Russian television today takes this notion to a postmodern extreme: Ukrainians are to be exterminated because they are Nazis, Jews, gays, Satanists, ghouls, zombies, vermin. The next step is violence, the opposite of recognition of the Leib. When we torture or humiliate a body, we further objectify it. After the body has been degraded and the person humiliated, the killer finds the work easier to bear. Some enjoy it.
How he defines Lieb in the book,
The word Leib gets us to a new standpoint. The German language has two terms for “body,” Körper and Leib. The word Körper can denote a person’s body but also a “foreign body” (Fremdkörper), a “heavenly body” (Himmelskörper), the “racial body” (Volkskörper), and other objects thought to be subject to physical laws. A Körper might be alive, but it need not be (compare corpse). Stein says, “There can be a Körper without me, but no Leib without me.” The word Leib designates a living human body, or an animal body, or the body of an imaginary creature in a story. A Leib is a Körper, subject to physical laws, but that is not all it is. It has its own rules and so its own opportunities. A Leib can move, a Leib can feel, and a Leib has its own center, impossible to graph precisely in space, which Stein calls a “zero point.” We can always see some of our Leib, but we can never see all of it.
See discussion of dehumanization in the Ukraine war
Ctrl+f ‘orcs’
No results
Curious
If the ahem “Russians” all return back to Mordor, behind the 2014 borders, then I’m confident the war will soon be over. Putin can end it any time he likes.
Oh look, someone who’s had their brain ruined by nazi propaganda. You’re gonna be fuckin surprised at the way this war ends, I can tell you that
What events (economic, numeric, territory, whatever) should I watch out for, so I know when to be worried?
that sounds like how I’d try to explain it but it still doesn’t make sense to me. like if i caught an actual subhuman piece of shit, let’s say a zionist rapist and child murderer, i still couldn’t even imagine taking a selfie with them like this. like wtf is this photo dude.
Reminds me of the American scandal at Abu-Ghraib.
PFC Lynndie England was convicted of abusing prisoners after several pictures of her abusing prisoners were released.
Holy crap how did they all get released in months or max 6 years? Damn
Hmm she’s out this year.
This is probably a dumbass question, but why do so many Israeli people I see look like generic Californian white people? Is it just cosmetic trends or what?
the zionism that ended up creating isreal was originally created by europeans who wanted the jews to leave europe by creating a homeland for them to go to.
it had morphed into prominent european jews into wanting it for themselves and jewish people everywhere becomes part of the cutlures they originate from – like everyone else does – and that includes white people style racism.
Americans are European and many Israeli Jews are also just Europeans. Three hundred years back both their ancestors were all living in Poland.
They are first and foremost an ideology, a white supremacist one that emerged in the late 1800s and had direct ties to Nazi Germany itself.
Judaism is just another shield. They even tried to sterilise other non-white Jews they hated just because.
Let no one fool you, they are as secularist as you can get, with plenty of cultism stuffed in too.
Who would have thought that the lesson they’d take from the Holocaust would be “Pay It Forward.”
They’re not the same people!
Only about 10% of the population of Israel are Holocaust survivors or descendants of Holocaust survivors, as most Jewish immigrants to Israel by far came from Russia and the Middle East, not Western Europe.
There is no such thing as a racial transmission path for the trauma of victimization (i.e. there is no “Jewish Hive Mind”). I’m sorry but the very notion of there being a Race-wide psychological impact were people far from and uninvolved in a tragic event are changed by it in the same way as the actual victims is RACIST AS FUCK.
(Yeah, the “they’re all victims” bulshit was probably sold to you your whole life, especially if you’re an American, but it doesn’t take that much logical analysis to follow that specific idea down to its foundations and discover it is entirey supported by the assumption that trauma spreads via Race, which is a spectacularly Racist take on the nature of humans and just a variation of “they’re all the same”)
The only psychological bond these people have to the Holocaust is having grown up in an environment were a supremacist political movement - Zionism - used stories about it to convince them that their race was under attack and that anything at all they did to “protect” the race was totally acceptable and justified - in other words, the memory of that tragedy were entirelly different people suffered, was twisted and weaponized to indoctrinated these, totally different individuals, to become rabidly racist violent supremacists.
The Holocaust was used by Zionists to make NAZIs out of Israelis and it was done by using it as material to spin the very same style of “our race is under attack” shit as the NAZIs did to brainwash Germanic people.
So it’s not at all paradoxical that these people are doing their very own Holocausting: thanks to the Zionists and the way Israel was structured in its very Constitution as a supremacist nation, it’s actually logical that there having been an Holocaust were members of their ethnicity were targetted, they would be doing something like that to others and doing it thinking they’re “defending themselves” and that doing NAZI shit like targetting children because they belong to an ethnicity the Israelis are taught are “vermin”, is actually the morally correct thing to do.
There is no such thing as a racial transmission path for the trauma of victimization (i.e. there is no “Jewish Hive Mind”). I’m sorry but the very notion of there being a Race-wide psychological impact were people far from and uninvolved in a tragic event are changed by it in the same way as the actual victims is RACIST AS FUCK.
I disagree what the commenter mean is that “they did not learn anything from history, especially since it happened to their ancestors?”
Ex: i look at history and that made me disgusted to what my ancestors (i am Italian) during WWII and to the african colonies, so I hate any act of colonization and fascism
That’s what the commenter seems to mean, i don’t even know how the heck did you even pull out all this fumbling
The Holocaust was used by Zionists to make NAZls out of Israelis and it was done by using it as material to spin the very same style of “our race is under attack” shit as the NAZls did to brainwash Germanic people.
Yeah, basically they just twisted history as far as they could to make nazis 2.0, iI don’t know much about media in Israel but i bet that they don’t teach properly WWII
Psychological Trauma does not transmit through Race.
People can intellectually UNDERSTAND it, and then apply their own morals and principles to make judgements on such events - which is what you describe doing yourself - which is not at all the same thing as FEELING the pain that a victim feels and actually changing as person because of it.
What seems to have happenned with the history of the Holocaust in Israel was that the intellectual understanding of it was guided to interact with a totally different part of the human psychie of Israelis - their Tribalism, rather than their Empathy - so they feel that they’re doing the morally right things whilst de facto doing monstrous things, because they’ve been convinced such things are required to “save the Jewish People from destruction”, something they’re constantly reminded was attempted before.
It’s way harder for outsiders to shape the profound changes to a person as result of being victimized (it literally takes years of Psycho-Therapy to even just abate the trauma) than it is to shape people’s intelectual judgment on stories about things done to those they identity with, and supremacists (such as Nazis and Zionists) invariably use stories of past victimization of those of the etnicity they claim to represent to both strengthen people’s feelings of their Race as the most important group they belong to (i.e. of their Race as their tribe) and to spin a fable of how the Race is under attack and anything at all they do against the “enemies of the Race” (with supremacists deciding who those “enemies” are) is something they must do to “protect the Race”.
It’s not by chance that some much of what Zionists say and you hear from Israelis is pretty much what Nazis said and you heard from Germans in Nazi Germany but with different races as the superior race (which the former call “God’s chosen people” and the latter “ubermenschen”) and for those they claim are their inferior racial enemies (both calling them “vermin”) - the exact same process is being used to shape people into violent ultra-racists who will do anything no matter how monstrous to “protect the race” and will even feel good and righteous about it afterwards to the point of shouting out to the World that they did it (which these two to did by taking this picture and posting in on social media) - these people are genuinelly proud of what they see as their righteous fight to protect their race.
I would say the Holocaust actually made it MORE LIKELY that a Jewish Supremacist nation would arise and that they would do their own Holocaust, because the stories of the Race being attacked used by the Nazis had to be heavilly spinned, whilst the Holocaust is barelly spinned (the only spin is to make it sound as the Jews were uniquelly targetted for extermination. not mentioning any of the other groups targetted in it, such as the Romani, 1/4 of a million of whom were murderer) and is genuine proof that somebody really tried to exterminate their ethnicity, hence it’s far more believable (because it’s the unbelished truth) than the stories the Nazis used about how their race was being victimized. Of course, the fable that the Jewish People RIGHT NOW are still being targetted as a Race for destruction is bullshit, but it did happen in the past, unlike with the stories the Nazis used about the “victimization” of the Arian People which were total bullshit.
“My great grandpa got killed by Nazis in a pretty gnarly way so now I get a free pass to kill and torture people who trespass onto land my grandpa’s friends stole for us. It’s pretty awesome. I didn’t make the rules but I’m not complaining. Was this what it was like for Americans in their Cowboys and Indians phase? I think I get the appeal now.”
Dirty fucking Nazi scumbags.
Would they not be Zionist scumbags?
I do not see a difference.
The difference is the decades of unaddressed Stockholm syndrome.
The only real difference is their choices of untermenschen and ubermenschen
Same picture jpeg
A full embargo on that country would be interesting. Like 100% blockade, all levels.
wait. zios with tattoos? that’s gonna be troublesome later, huh? guess they really are JUST in it for the terrorism.
Please, give me a reason that it has every been justified to take a picture of a prisoner with this sort of giddy celebration and mockery. How does that look anything but out of touch and vile?
What are the conversations, the positioning, the processes of dehumanization that lead to these moments? I’m as confused as you by these people.
How can you smile and laugh in such a carefree way when right next to you a boy is bound and blindfolded. Says so much about the moral decay on display of those ‘guards’.
They grew up in a nation which per its own constitutions is unabashedly supremacist and been indoctrinated their whole lives into thinking they “need to protect their Race” and that Palestinians (and Arabs in general) are “violent” and even “vermin” whilst they themselves are superior and have “Western Values” (which they don’t, unless we’re talking about 19th centure white colonialist “values”).
They’re like Germans in the late 1920s, only unlike them, these people have been fed stories about the need to “defend our race” and their own superiority and the inferiority of those who are not of their race for DECADES, which for these two zio-SS means their whole lives.
Israelis are the XXI century NAZIs, only more so because they’ve been fed far longer by the Zionists the same style of supremacist pap as the NAZIs fed the Germans.
They can try an Abu Ghraib did it first, maybe it’ll stick… /s
Israel needs to be sanctioned and all travel visas revoked.
Republicans see these and get jealous
And the dems don’t?
What kind of fucked up Democrats are you hanging out with
Democrats staunchly support Israel. Here’s Biden’s funding to Israel for example:
If someone calling themselves a democrat doesn’t support Israel, then they are completely clueless as to their own party’s actions and platform, and are in the wrong party.
Crickets, do you hear them?
biden was president in 1959? wow
What are you implying? Please elaborate.
Why? You won’t understand
Lmfao. Why even bother commenting? Do you not know how to read a graph?
The last seven D candidates for President of the US? The Senate and House minority leaders? The current establishment candidate for Senate in Wisconsin?
The Democrats-as-a-party are complicit in Gaza and Iran.
Democrats-as-voters are about 80% fed up with it, but that’s not enough in a country with politics as stitched up as the US.
Uhhh. Which democrats oppose the conditions of Israeli torture dungeons? I’d lend you a hand but I think you only need one.
Are we talking about the same thing?
I said the Republicans were jealous of the terrorists getting to post pictures and you said the “and the Dems aren’t?” Implying that the Democrats are also jealous of terrorists getting to post pictures
We are definitely talking about the same thing, as this stage of the genocide started under Dem leadership. How many democrats have called out the sde teman “detention center”?
Man I must just hang out with cooler people. I was meaning the people I know irl
You and your genocide supporters are soooo cooool.
Establishment Dems
Yeah it’s been decades since Abu Ghraib.
wolverine looking at photo
Bingo
In context to the culture wars and the dumb turd herds below the leadership you are going to most likly gonna meet more bottom dweller libturds showing disgust then the conservahogs. Fuck lemmy sometimes… muthfuckers thinking they are sharp as steel… like for real… infighting is stoopid. I get chooo… Remember the democraps refused to release why they lost the election… spoiler it was gaza. The hurd is stupid… stupid is the root of all evil and sometimes stupid is a choice. The choice muthafuckers is the problem.
Dirty fucking zionist scumbags.
Show this off in feddit.org !
Tell us how it goes lol.
So far, pretty nul: I just realized none of the instances I’m logged in can even see feddit.org.
Would likely need to spin something extra just for this. But honestly f.o is not even that worth it.
I’m German but I chose to use lemmy.ml instead of feddit.org since I don’t like only reading in a local bubble. Genuinely asking as I don’t know the answer, does the German side here on feddit.org have a reputation for that kind of stuff?
Geh doch und schau es dir an. Feddit.org hat Kommentare gelöscht, die zu Gewalt und Mord gegen Israelis aufruft, nur können einige hier das nicht differenzieren. Während tote Kinder und Frauen auf palästinensischer Seite für sie eine Katastrophe ist, befürworten sie es auf israelischer Seite.
Let’s just say at least the moderators of feddit.org have made a reputation for themselves by obeying fascism laws in advance and openly supporting European re-colonialism upon Palestine. And because they have moderator powers, this also effects the kind of speech that feddit.org carries and is seen for.
as a feddit.org user i just want to say that we’re not all like that. from the river to the sea, palestine shall be free!
Thank you for the info! I don’t get why you have to make a German instance political in the first place and then pick the obviously wrong side, ffs
I mean, “picking the wrong side of history” aligns with historical Germany behaviour, so I guess we can’t really expect more from f.o.
Nothing happened. Its still up, hasn’t been taken down, did not get downvoted to hell.
I honestly don’t know what they were expecting.
Link? There is currently no such post on feddit.org.
Here’s a link.
That is this post, hosted on lemmy.ml . Those admins have no power to remove anti-zionist posts over here. We were suggesting someone post it to a feddit.org community, which no one has done yet.
@dessalines
it’s not antisemite, it’s antizionist. And you find it a normal way of doing?
In my current understanding instance admins have the power to delete posts in third party communities for the users on the instance they administer. This would not affect other instances, since they are other servers, where a third party instance admin has no power. At least that’s how I remember the global moderation tools being when I used to run my own instance.
So in my current understanding it would not matter, if this post is in a 3rd party community, or directly on this instance. If the admins were to disapprove of this post as much as implied, they would’ve removed this post from feddit.org directly. The “only” difference being that if this post was on feddit.org and they were to delete it, it would probably also be removed from all the other instances, but this point does not matter, since that is not the case.
My whole argument here is, that my instance administrators would’ve deleted this post on my end already and I wouldn’t see and interact with this post right now. This point requires that my understanding of the moderation tools are correct, which I currently can’t verify easily.
Feel free to correct me, if my understanding of Lemmys moderation tools are incorrect.
Admins don’t generally waste their time moderating communities they don’t control.
One-time show and tell
It’s still up. With only 4 downvotes. 21h after posting. What’s your point?
Ah wait. You can’t read this anyway, since your admin defederated the instance. Shucks.
Why would you just post this fucking screenshot of a tweet by an amazing investigate news outlet…instead of just fucking linking to the article?
Get the fuck out with that low effort trash that’s destroying our community!
I’ve seen you in two comment sections now being upset that a post is not an article but instead some other format. To some extent I can understand that frustration but you don’t even post articles. I feel like you don’t have a right to be as vitriolic as you are being when you don’t even contribute to these communities
Go post the article then instead of being a whiny baby. This is not your community.
What more do you think is in the article besides dropsite verification of the kidnapping?
Europeans doing what they REALLY do best.
