Totally obvious since smoking weed does nothing to improve social conditions which are the root cause of mental symptoms.
This kind of worthless research is the end result of pseudo-science like psychopharmacology, the underlying assumption here.
I think the real science is that there are a bunch of bible thumpers that don’t want people to have any fun, and greedy rich people who want slave labor provided by prisons. Fucking gross. I don’t give two shits if it helps or not. Stop wasting money to incarcerate people for nonsense and stop enriching sociopaths.
My only opinion on weed is that alcohol is far worse for you. Maybe I shouldn’t have an opinion though because I haven’t smoked weed or drunk alcohol since high school
Wild that something like alcohol is legal. I wonder if the reason is that it’s so tied into Anglo culture to be drunk as shit all the time that they can’t make it illegal? That shit is so bad for you. I’ve seen it ruin so many peoples health and mood
I don’t think it’s coincidence that Quebec has Canada’s most restrictive cannabis laws, and is also home to so many of Canada’s mass-market alcohol producers.
They tried and failed, no drug should be illegal for adults.
They tried to make it illegal in the 30s and it didn’t take. But I hear yoing adults are drinking less than their parents did, so mYbe tjings are turning around.
I do enjoy alcohol but it’s absolutely a poison on society
the drugs that people take to deal with their anxiety, depression and PTSD don’t actually cure anxiety, depression and PTSD? they just provide relief from the symptoms? no shit
Right? Its like saying that anti-anxiety meds dont cure anxiety. No shit, but they do alleviate the symptoms, which can allow you to work on the problem.
It’s okay, I’ll keep eating that garbage
Smoking*
It’s hard to smoke 200mg of pure thc
Yeah
Sometimes you want to green the fuck out and wake up two days later feeling like you’ve been enlightened
I tried that once and I just puked and got dizzy
Guess i’m just built different
I am, my body is very weird when it comes to drugs
Heard about THC liquor that’ll do that to yah
One time in 2020 I decided to try my hand at infusing cannabis into alcohol. So I went & got some everclear, infused it with some weed, and gave it a shot.
It was terrible, I just felt crossfaded almost instantly, I ended up adjusting the dosage into something that wouldn’t just make me instantly sick but that was the first and only time I made that. I stick to infusing coconut oil & baking now, I’m not a fan of mixing weed & alcohol
I tried that once a year ago. I’ve done plenty of cannabis infusing into coconut oil with consistent results, so I know my home decarb process is pretty good. I got much the same results as you with the everclear. It was an absolutely miserable experience, I won’t go into graphic detail on how sick I got but it’s safe to say I’ll never repeat it. I’ll stick to coconut oil in edibles. I’ve never had an unpleasant experience with that.
Yea I’m in the same position, I’ve got my decarb/infusing process dialed in with coconut oil so I can be pretty sure of how strong each batch is/what the effects will be like. Baking is more fun anyway, making a tincture was an interesting experiment but not one I’ll ever repeat.
The worst experience I ever had with edibles was doing the math wrong and accidentally making a batch that was twice as strong, I didn’t realize my mistake until the edible I took hit me like a truck and I spent the next 8 hours locked to my couch watching Futurama. I’ll take that over being crossfaded/too drunk any day of the week, the worst thing that happens when I’m too high is eating a bag of chips to myself and feeling like crap because of it lol
Yeah from what I had heard it’s good if you want to be fucked up fucked up for days, not just a lil toasty or zooted.
I think it was a combo of the dosage and mixing cannabis & alcohol. I had no idea what the potentcy of the tincture was & probably took too much, but that was enough to put me off of it. I’m not opposed to being zooted for a couple of days (provided I don’t have anything important going on of course) but the sensation of just jumping right into being crossfaded really sucked
Don’t care
EDIT: Call me anti-science if you want but I would rather this type of research not be produced until after legalization has been achieved, even if it’s accurate
Okay, and Tylenol doesn’t cure a headache. It does help deal with the symptoms though. Cannabis absolutely helps take the edge off of anxiety and depression for me when used occasionally. It doesn’t cure the issue but it doesn’t mean it’s not helpful to take the edge off while I work on more permanent solutions to my problem. Imagine if the only meds on the market were things that completely cure a problem as opposed to just helping someone get through it while they heal or work other solutions. Allergy meds would be gone, cough meds, painkillers, sleeping meds…hell even caffeine should be taken off the market because it doesn’t permanently make it so you don’t have to sleep it just helps keep you awake for a bit. Even the most popular anti-anxiety, Xanax, doesn’t cure anxiety…is also highly addictive…can also lead to a whole host of other things…it’s used to deal with either severe anxiety (while you undergo treatment) or acute anxiety in one-off moments like before a stressful procedure or to stop a panic attack.
What an absolutely fucking ridiculous standard to hold something to. Fuck the entire anti weed lobby forever.
I’m doing my own very large study and it has found strong evidence that it works
As someone who has abused both alcohol and cannabis, I can say cannabis is much less harmful. However, it’s pretty easy to go overboard with it. Like most things in life, it’s best in moderation. I enjoy it once or twice a week now, sometimes even less. I think if you’re getting drunk or high every day there are probably some other issues at play.
if you’re getting drunk or high every day there are probably some other issues at play.
Yeah like being cool
I was being serious and opening up about my struggles. I don’t really appreciate this response. The upvotes on this compared to mine makes me think my reservations about coming back here were correct.
I’m sorry for this other person’s comment. totally bad taste.
I’m reading over the thread and getting a vibe that a lot of people are having strong reactions to the paper - maybe because some people feel invalidated by the paper? idk. threads like these have particularly bad vibes, and the detached/dismissive irony that is common here can be especially jarring
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The site is dominated by juvenile freaks who will say or sign on to anything that they can interpret as being an affirmation of them, personally. If you understandably find that repulsive, then having reservations makes sense.
Nah it was fine. The original post doesn’t read like someone “opening up about their struggles” so much as someone who added a bit of personal context within their response to the article.
That may have been their intent, but it wasn’t clear. Many people could have made similar remarks about having “abused” alcoholc and cannabis without it having been as detrimental of an addiction in their lives as it now seems that it was for this person.
I’m sorry this Comrade went through it. Really. And I’m glad moderation is working out for them, but damn… y’all overreacting.
This site features a pig shitting on its own balls. Someone CAN for sure open up about addiction here, but they would need to make that context clear within its own post or a dedicated thread.
And this wasn’t that. And so pig-shitting-on-balls mentality is to be expected imo.
“abused”
Awesome job, no notes.
You’ve commented how this site is juvenile. It can be for sure. I gave a response detailing when to expect that. Pretty calmly, clearly, and respectfully.
You then give this response, not engaging with the main point. Jesus, again…y’all overreacting.
The quoted “abused” isn’t meant in a negative manner. Not hard to see.
If I felt compelled to debate every time someone used silly motivated reasoning to justify whatever lets them diffuse criticism, I would never do anything else, and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen the same dogshit arguments about how it’s a shitposting website so of course it’s backwards in this and that way.
What are the quotation marks accomplishing?
Edit: if someone talks about how they struggled with drug abuse and then says that they think someone using those drugs daily probably has a problem, saying such a behavior is “being cool :dance-emote:” is obviously inappropriate and insensitive and you are just giving meaningless sophistry deflecting away from that fact.
L reply to someone talking about their own struggles with addiction
if you’re getting drunk or high every day there are probably some other issues at play
i feel this so much. (the issue for me is that i live in a capitalist hellscape in which interacting and forming bonds with other humans is actively discouraged)
I just came in to say that the weed brain image from thw thumbnail should be an emoji, I would’ve joined this struggle session but then I got high
I was always sceptical of such claims. People just love to justify their substance use with some alleged health benefits. It’s like how people used to believe drinking a glass of wine a day was good for you
That said, it should still be legal
It’s not a solution to the underlying problem, it’s a temporary reprieve from the symptoms. But escaping your depression for even just a few hours with no real catch (for most) can feel pretty liberating and allow you to process/ catch your breath. And unlike alcohol:
- No hangover or worsening aftermath
- Relatively low potential for addiction
- Doesn’t cause mental issues, rarely worsens them
- No organ damage (except lungs if you smoke instead of edibles)
- No risk of overdose
- No increased risk of self-harm or harm to others
- Can increase empathy & introspection
- And no brain damage, despite popular myths
Studies have found adult cognitive issues from weed are 1) from extreme, daily use and 2) completely go away after quitting for a month or less. Compared to alcohol, where any amount does a small-to-moderate amount of permanent brain & organ damage that builds over time
I don’t think weed is particularly healthy or unhealthy, but if weed culture gets a bunch of depressed people to become stoners who’d otherwise become alcoholics, I see that as a huge win. Alcohol is genuinely as bad if not worse than half the illegal drugs out there. E.g. despite having higher risk of overdose, cocaine actually isn’t as harmful as alcohol to your long-term health
That said if you’re depressed and feel somewhat dependent on weed as a temporary fix, I’d recommend looking into research from the past few years on magic mushrooms. The FDA under Biden literally recognized shrooms as a “breakthrough therapy” treatment for depression. One of the safest (and least addictive) drugs we know of, with a couple states already legalizing shroom therapy for depression. Study after study is showing that just one or two trips (psychoactive doses in a safe, clinical setting, with a tripsitter therapist, relaxing music, and an eyemask) appear far more effective than years of SSRIs and talk therapy. Literally being shown to grow new neural networks and trigger rapid neuroplasticity in the brain
have they checked shrooms against shit life syndrome?
Well the bulk of these studies is in people with treatment-resistant major depression where nothing else worked, so pretty much. Also shown to help patients depressed from having severe debilitating cancer
I mean, if someone is depressed and dependent on weed, I’d be hesitant to suggest adding more psychoactive substances. The research on psilocybin and depression is promising (same with research on psilocybin and alcohol use), but AFAIK it is still untested if psilocybin helps with cannabis use disorders or depression+comorbid cannabis use
I wasn’t really talking about people will full on cannabis disorder, but even then I can’t imagine it making dependency any worse. Just obviously don’t be high on weed or take any other substance while tripping, and put time into creating the right set and setting for yourself. (And avoid if you have any history with schizophrenia or delusions)
One of the main reasons it’s so non-addictive is that the experience surfaces unpredictable, intense, mixed emotions, which can feel beautifully overwhelming but also definitely not something you’d go to for escape or want on a regular basis. Some people in the studies even had bad or terrifying trips that still somehow help their depression afterwards. Nobody trips on the regular, only maybe microdoses (which imo is a waste of time unless you’re starting low to work your way up)
Another reason is that unlike weed or alcohol, our neurochemistry makes it physically impossible to take psilocybin too often. Your tolerance spikes to 100% after just one dose and takes several days to a couple weeks to return to baseline. Meaning once you start tripping, any additional shroom will do absolutely nothing, and even 24 hours later will do next to nothing
I’ve “overdosed” on weed twice. Once with an oil tincture and another time by drink a whole 100mg soda in like half an hour.
The effects were weed paranoia reaching the level of fairly severe panic attack culminating in vomiting, then slowly starting to feel normal (still high though lol. The second time I felt like I rebooted. Oh and I was fine the next day if a bit groggy.
Wouldn’t recommend but still better than alcohol poisoning!
Yeah I’ve seen a couple friends really green out which isn’t fun in the moment, but they’re always completely normal after. I mean overdose as in fatal/injurious
There were no significant effects on outcomes associated with anxiety, anorexia nervosa, psychotic disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, and opioid use disorder. There were insufficient data to meta-analyse studies of ADHD, bipolar disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and tobacco use disorder. There was an absence of RCT evidence for the treatment of depression.
This study, or meta-study, as it’s just coalescing existing ones. Found none showed significant benefits, although it sounds like it is more just a lack of evidence rather than evidence of it not helping. Especially with depression. Which makes the headline disingenuous. “No evidence that it treats these” but also we don’t have enough evidence to actually say.
I smoke weed because it’s a fantastic painkiller with few side effects and that in and of itself helps my anxiety and depression by making them easier to manage through a reduction in overall pain
It’s better than the atlernatives
Some limited benefits were seen for conditions like insomnia and autism, but the evidence is weak
That’s okay, I didn’t need to respect science any less than I already do but thank you
Getting stoned will make my autism stronger? Hell yeah
Weed can make me neurotypical?? Better stay away from this shit
I’m autistic and use weed to sleep at night lfg
yeah no shit, it was always about symptom control wasn’t it?
