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Meanwhile if you criticize Genocidesmany and it’s assistance in Pissrael’s genocide:
Please stop using Imgur because UK folks can’t see images from it
VPNs don’t help, I’ve tried. They must have a block list.
Please, continue using imgur because UK folks can’t see images from it
/j
Or. Complain to your government. This is one time i’m on the imgur side of it.
They can’t help that your government is stupid. Why should they then be banned from being used?
Sorry, lemdro.id image upload is having issues so I just defaulted to using imgur
I have now updated the post to use a different image host
Many thanks 🙂↕️
What do you recommend? Every other image host I’ve used was either clunky as hell or disappears. I hate Imgur.
On Lemmy you can just upload directly to it, at least that’s what I do. Don’t know for the rest of the internet.
Been using this for a decade almost, but of course that’s no guarantee it won’t disappear
Brazilians too.
“Leftists” only in the sense that they want the boot to be on the other foot. Authoritarians are all the same.
And now we wait
NK is a theocracy, right?
A Necrocracy if we want to be pedantic. As the highest title in government 최고령도자 (literally translating as “supreme leader” or “the best/most leader”, but can be taken to mean something like “the leader who is in the highest position”), officially it is in charge of the party, state, and millitary, and so far been only given to former leaders upon their deaths. Meaning that at any given time, the highest leadership position is held by someone who is dead, making it a Necrocracy, rule by the dead.
A theocracy would imply some form of church like structure deciding policy, laws, and running the state, maybe you could argue the party is a sort of church, but the party apparatus is not appointing the leader, nor does it set policy. The party, state, and army in North Korea serve at the behest of the hereditary leaders, so practically it’s more of a monarchy.
It’s kind of it’s own category. I mean, they’re basically forced to worship the supreme leader, but I don’t think that’s a defining aspect
It’s more a totalitarian state. Everything from what job you’ll do for the rest of your life to how you cheer is given to you by the government.
It has the trappings of religion, but do people really believe that? The way they talk about it is like “the state tells us Kim was born in a flash of light on the top of a mountain”, they don’t engage with the talking points, they repeat them exactly
Fun fact, the supreme leader has so far always been dead, the title only having been given to Sung and Jong upon their deaths, yet the title is officially the leader of the party, state, and army.
Making it the world’s only Necrocracy (rule by the dead)
I did not know that, that is a fun fact
“Nah bro, it’s a Democracy. It’s called the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea bro.” Yeah, and Nazi stood for National Socialists.
Yeah, and Nazi stood for National Socialists.
A lot of the new Nazis in Germany (AfD) actually believe this btw.
DPRK is so democratic, they don’t even need to hold elections, they already know that the people want someone from the Kim family to be their glorious leader
Shitposting aside, we did literally amend our constitution because FDR won too many times. I’m sure that had nothing at all to do with New Deal policies and they were just real concerned about accidentally having a king again.
That’s odd because some people like dictatorships
No they don’t. They like an authoritarian strong man on the throne telling them how to live their lives
They don’t like it when you point out they’re describing a dictatorship
What happens on .world when you call Ukraine a dictatorship?
As the other commenter responded, you’ll be told you’re wrong. Because you are. Presumably you’re referring to the fact that Ukraine hasn’t had an election, despite Zelenskyy’s term being over?
War. It’s war. The answer is because they’re at war. Martial law has been declared, a state of emergency, and their constitution suspends elections during such a time. If they want to keep drafting soldiers in order to fight against the war of conquest declared on them by Russia, then this cannot change.
Putin could end Zelenskyy’s term right now if he simply chose to end the war. Anyone who believes the situation is so simple as “Ukraine is a dictatorship” is not only wrong, but dangerously wrong, and likely dangerously stupid to boot.
Ok, now apply that beautiful logic of yours to North Korea.
North Korea was bombed to the stone age in 1955 by the glorious and democratic USA (without consulting its people), to the point that 15% of North Koreans were murdered and 90% of all buildings were leveled. Afterwards, the most thorough and long-lasting economic blockade in history was imposed by the USA, which left the economy in shambles and made it very hard for the country to recover. It was recovering when, in 1991, its greatest commercial partner during blockade, the USSR, was dissolved, which left food insecurity in a country that wasnt allowed to import grain and whose cold climate and mountainous geography make agriculture quite complicated. For reference, a recent study showed that US economic blockades murder 500.000 people a year, quite a bit more than death rates from war in Ukraine.
US could end the criminal blockade of North Korea right now if he simply chose to, but no, the US doesn’t want to stop murdering people through economic violence. As the Office of the Historian of the USA holds in its database:
every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.
Hmmm, I wonder why they dont celebrate free elections in such critical conditions…
What a strange take this is. If you are trying to equivocate the two situations as a condemnation of Ukraine, I would note that sanctions are leveraging economic power, while conventional warfare leverages military power, and you obfuscate this difference by using the word “blockade”. It isn’t a blockade, it’s sanctions. Blockades involve military power, sanctions do not. Do I believe that the US is guilty of immense human suffering as a consequence of the usage of sanctions in international relations? Of course, and I’m equally aware of the diminishing returns of pulling such an economic lever, but between economic and military power, North Korea is under economic pressure, and Ukraine is under military pressure. Having a military government only makes sense as a solution in one of these two situations, and the situations are similarly not comparable.
If, however, I instead take you at face value, likely against my better judgement, and interpret your point instead to mean that it’s valid for North Korea not to have elections because they are also justified in martial law, then I am perhaps even more confused, because it sounds like you’re arguing for martial law because of sanctions endured by North Korea (if so, see above why this is not a justification for martial law). What confuses me, though, is why you would pick that justification in the first place. You could, for example, argue that because North Korea only has an armistice with South Korea, they technically remain still at war, and thus are reasonable for imposing a permanent state of martial law. My counterpoint would be that South Korea is, at this point, incredibly unlikely to invade for a variety of economic, political, and demographic reasons, and North Korea has already shielded itself against existential threat via nuclear weapons (their opponent’s capital is 40km from the border, Seoul can’t even get much warning, much less intercept the nukes). Regardless of sanctions, there isn’t actually that much reason that North Korea should still be devoting so many of its resources to its military, nor is there that much of a reason for martial law to still be in effect.
I would also question if you genuinely think that any kind of meritocratic process occurred in a military sense when, rather than elect a leader (reflecting a peacetime footing), or have an experienced military officer take the role (reflecting a wartime footing), leadership instead passed down through three generations of the same family. Frankly, I don’t think martial law can justify that, regardless of whether or not martial law itself is justified.
Edit: Also, if you happen to have that study showing the 500,000 figure on hand, I would actually love to take a look at it. I wouldn’t be surprised, as often it is the civilian populace who bears the burden of sanctions, but it would be good to take a look at it to see if I can get a credible number to attach to that idea.
I wasn’t condemning Ukraine for not holding elections during a war, I was seriously arguing about the difficulty of holding elections when you’re under severe economic and political duress because of consequences of mass-bombing of your country by the US (which is important and you failed to mention in your comment) and economic blockade.
I call it blockade not because it’s exerted militarily, but because it doesn’t consist of unilateral sanctions by the US, it consists of a prohibition of companies from trading in the largest economy in the world if they trade previously with North Korea, as is the case of the blockade of Cuba. In this manner, if a Chinese company wants to do any trade in the US, it cannot do trade in North Korea too. A sanction is applied only within your own jurisdiction in my opinion, as for example what the EU is doing to Russia.
As for the study I promised, in the findings it says these words:
We estimated that unilateral sanctions were associated with an annual toll of 564 258 deaths (95% CI 367 838–760 677), similar to the global mortality burden associated with armed conflict
This is why I don’t bother making a distinction between pressure to elections from military violence as from economic violence, both are equally harmful even in number of deaths, and both represent a similar strain on the institutions and the trust of people in the government. As I quoted in my previous comment, the US itself admits this, by talking of “bringing about hunger, desperation, and overthrow of government”. I don’t bring up the frozen Korean war because as of today it doesn’t produce the amount of deaths and suffering that the American economic blockade does by any materialist metric. My point is not to argue about technicisms of whether a country is technically at war hence no elections, but rather about the measurable, material impact of western pressure, whatever form it may take.
The Cuban embargo is pretty messed up and I agree it is wrong. I don’t find your argument in support of North Korea at all compelling. USSR is mostly to blame for the entire situation.
Yes, the US is pretty damned murderous. Perhaps the nation that has killed the most innocents and caused the most widespread destruction ever and we are apparently not done. “Department of War” is a garbage move by garbage people who want to subject more people to death.
Comparing North Korea to Ukraine is nonsensical. The DPRK leadership is clinically insane and they will never give up their power even after their last civilian is dead.
I would personally love to see their country reform and join the modern world. I won’t hold my breath waiting. Meanwhile it is the common person who gets punished for their inability to give up power.
USSR is mostly to blame for the entire situation
USSR literally freed the Korean peninsula from Imperial Japanese occupation before the US even considered joining. Only when the US realized this may lead to communism in the region did they join in from the south to prevent total soviet liberation of Korea. The US then proceeded to bomb North Korea into hell, killing literal millions of people and leveling the entire country. How any of that is USSRs fault is beyond me.
I don’t particularly love the Juche ideology, it’s marked by very strong nationalism, but if you’re incapable of understanding why the government is so quirky, think about this: one terrorist attack in the USA, 9/11, led to mass hysteria, oppressive laws regarding freedom of movement, widespread islamophobia, mass state surveillance, and it’s one of the biggest scars of the country in recent history. If you don’t think that the leveling of 90% OF BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTRY and the MURDER OF 15% OF THE POPULATION through bombs for the sin of being communist may have long-lasting consequences in the government and population, I encourage you to rethink that.
The USSR were the ones who created the proxy war in the first place by stabilizing and arming the North Koreans. If they hadn’t done this there would never have even been a Korean War. Was the US wrong? It was a massacre. Did the USSR setup a proxy war knowing full well what would happen? Yes.
The USSR also abandoned North Korea after its collapse. If North Korea was not propped up by them it would have fell and that would have ended one of the shittiest regimes ever.
It sucks to get caught between two super powers. The North Koreans are no saints, quite the opposite. They are well known for some of the worst human rights atrocities in the world.
When it comes to human suffering the world would have been better off if North Korea fell. The USSR prevented this.
The USSR were the ones who created the proxy war in the first place
So, the USA setting up a puppet regime on the other side of the ocean in a peninsula that shares land borders with the former Soviet Union is totally ok? How would you feel as an American if the southern half of Mexico were controlled by modern Russia (assuming you’re from the US)? Do you understand how threatening that was to the Soviet Union geopolitically? Remember: the USA had already invaded the Soviet Union during the Russian Revolution, Churchill was clear about the motives for doing so: “I think the day will come when it will be recognized without doubt, not only on one side of the House, but throughout the civilized world, that the strangling of Bolshevism at its birth would have been an untold blessing to the human race”. Obviously the Soviets didn’t want an American puppet regime at their doorstep.
North Koreans are no saints, quite the opposite. They are well known for some of the worst human rights atrocities in the worl
The US killed 1.5 million civilians in North Korea alone during the war. How many millions of people has North Korea murdered? Sure, they have had quite an oppressive regime, but compared to leveling 90% of the buildings of North Korea through bombs, what accusation of human right violation do you bring up?
When it comes to human suffering the world would have been better off if North Korea fell
Knowing that the USA murders half a million people yearly through economic sanctions, and that the US would go on to also carpet bomb Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, destroy Iraq, support puppet fascists in the entire Latin America, destabilized the entire middle east, and as of today support materially and diplomatically the genocide of over half a million Palestinians for the past 2 years, do you agree that it’s imperative that the USA falls?
Citing Natopedia as a source, are we?
The US sucks for sure, but here is a wake up call. So does everyone else save some progressive European countries who were, in the past, bad as well.
Would I rather have the China calling the shots? No. Would I rather have Russia calling the shots? Hell no.
I guess we are at an impasse. The failure of the US would not bring the blessings you think it would.
Obviously the way forward is not through nations whose sole purpose is to fuck everyone over for their benefit. Do please keep praying at the altar of the state to solve your problems, but I won’t be joining you.
At least we will only know once the conditions for martial law aren’t current anymore. But as you’ve pointed out, the war would need to end for that to be the case.
Currently we are assuming that Zelenskyy will give up power, if the war ends, or will be forced to. Until that happens Ukraine isn’t a Dictatorship.
Certainly. I don’t mean to say that Zelenskyy’s time in office has been without controversy, even after his steadfast response to the war boosted (frankly, saved) his approval. The incident with NABU and SAPO, anti-corruption bodies in Ukraine whose independence was under threat back in July of this year, is a perfect example of this. I think, however, the fact that the government backed down on that in the wake of domestic protests and international backlash is a good indicator that Ukraine isn’t a dictatorship at the moment.
you get called out for being wrong, although your instance already gives that away
Oh wow. Now that is a red flag of a domain name if I ever saw one.
I think it has more red flags than the front lawn of the Canadian parliament.
I mean I like libertarians. I just don’t consider libertarian capitalists to be libertarian. Libertarian Marxism is where it’s at
Libertarianism:the ideology where you’re fine with companies poisoning the water. Or, in marxist case, worker collectives doing so
Wow you’re so oppressed you poor snowflake
I mean my country was literally turned into an unescapable prison where people are kidnapped off the streets, beaten, and sent into the meat grinder (and often tortured as well there), but don’t worry, I already learnt from .world fascists that it is ok and I should not complain about it.
Hopefully Russia will fully liberate it one day 🤞
Are the Ukrainian dictators in the room with us right now?
No, he is travelling the world and giving talks about saving democracy all while his regime buys yet more drones and thermal imagers to make sure the border is safe. Western border of course, through which people try to escape his meatgrinder.
Woosh
Probably because it’s blocked here by law haha.
