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I feel like people who try to do Columbus apologia should be forced to admit that he was brought home to Spain in chains. Like he was bad enough that the guys with the active inquisition though he was a criminal.
Also, what do you mean “Better than dying”. The Taino did die.
Also tried and had his lands/titles taken away iirc.
Without getting into detail some of the accounts of his occupation were some of the most brutal examples of physical violence you can inflict on people and that’s not including the cruel, psychological shit they did.
Like you said, the kind of stuff that the inquisition didn’t even have a stomach for. And that’s just directly from the accounts of Spanish missionaries. I’ve never understood after learning that how people defend him as a cultural symbol for Italians when the catholic church straight up disowned the guy.
Also tried and had his lands/titles taken away iirc.
Yes, however sadly it was temporary as he appealed to the monarchs and the guy who had him arrested died in a freak accident on the way to testify about his guilt. For a while Columbus was dodging rumors he was in league with Satan over that luck.
So sad how the Crown of Castile went woke and canceled Columbus. You can’t erase history!
But but but history! Crazy lefties hate it!
The Ukrainian methods of fascist-ising a population has been successfully tested. Expect more of this at all levels of education to be introduced.
And if you try to show libs this example they’ll just call you a fascist for having anything to say about
that isn’t kissing their nazi asses while pretending they aren’t nazisIt’s so weird. Prior to Russia’s recent operations, I remember everyone talking about how corrupt and bad Ukraine was. Then Russia comes in and suddenly everything is forgotten? Of course for me, “everyone” were chuds so maybe libs were always this way?
i do admit, there’s something amusingly mask-off and honest about admitting that slavery is “better than being killed.” that is basically the accepted anthropological understanding of how slavery was historically justified: a military force is doing a mass atrocity and do a little slavery on the grounds that it’s better than being dead. the common element of the enslaved is the social pressure that death is the alternative unless freedom can be purchased outright. david graeber discusses this at some length in Debt in his study of early historical debts and debt peonage slavery, presumably to dissuade readers of more sugar-coated beliefs about slavery throughout world history.
the obvious problem is the racism and genocidal intent of course, prageru is implying here that it would be fine to just start murdering west Africans en masse for no other reason than taking whatever is valuable to gained in the act of genocidal conquest.
prageru is implying here that it would be fine to just start murdering west Africans en masse for no other reason than taking whatever is valuable to gained in the act of genocidal conquest.
Because they believe it to be so. They believe that if Native Americans didn’t want their land stolen they should’ve won the war, and that given the opportunity, anyone would’ve done to Europeans what they did to the Global South.
I think it’s silly to try to catch chuds in cognitive dissonance, because many of their beliefs are incompatible with each other, and they have no problem holding them, but this argument in particular is a natural consequence of the base belief the right-wing has in “might makes right”
yeah i’m not doing a gotcha, they’re implying the violence because they believe in its justness, and this is the least they’ve ever bothered to try to dress it up for sale.
Oh yeah gotcha, agree. They’re saying the quiet part out loud not because they’re stupid or careless. It’s because they feel emboldened and they’re dabbing on anyone who disagrees.
anyone would’ve done to Europeans what they did to the Global South.
I mean…
China had ocean going vessels and they could’ve genocided Oceania and the pacific but they chose not to. The ottoman empire, while not perfect by any means, didn’t engage in the same genocidal and slave owning campaigns Europeans did in the americas and Africa. It’s not that empire or colonization are exclusively European phenomena, but European colonization was particularly cruel and extractive.
Besides, this is a non-materialist hypothetical. The reason we criticize the heritage of European colonialism and imperialism it’s because we live in its wake. The wrongs of that past and the wealth created from exploitation need to be made right and repaired. If Ethiopians or Khmer had done the same and now were the hegemony sitting on mountains of stolen wealth, the criticism wouldn’t change.
Saying “b-b-but someone else would’ve done it to me if I hadn’t done it first!” is literally a
point. And worthless in any conversation about european colonization.
Better than being killed? Dennis are we threatening these people?And also, WHO’S doing the killing?
Oh wait, I forgot. The masses are proud of being the bad guys. They’re such snakes they even lie to themselves. No one believes their lies except for them.
That’s funny, when I tell people that white Americans and their descendants for ten generations should all be enslaved in the gulags for life or be shot, I’m the evil one
at least keep me around as a pet or something plz
I’m cute with teddy bear ears and I give the best hugs, I promise!
(Not American, and I hate the stereotypical WASP mindset that most of them should be tossed in a gulag for, but… white Westerner, so not like most of y’all care about the specifics.)
my direct ancestors had a plantation and it weighs on me even if that ancestor got owned in the civil war
i guess if there are gulags for generational punishment im not escaping that one but that also means some revolution succeeded so hopefully the commissar is merciful
Eh personally I think all we really need is to do what China did in Xinjiang but to conservative Christians but it’s gonna take a civil war or 2 to get us there
Yeah, I can understand that, in theory at least. My family’s never had that kind of wealth, Mum’s side were always dirt poor, we’ve never done well as a household but even at our poorest, we were still better off than Mum’s family has ever been since they’ve been in North America. Dad’s family… never did all that bad, came over more recently, his dad worked for the government, so they weren’t rich but they had stability and the basics, but it’s not like they have vast generational wealth.
Sure, we’re white and probably benefited from institutional racism, and we absolutely need to reckon with that, but, like, I don’t have any massive plantation shaped skeletons in the closet, we’ve always been working class. Certainly better off within that than a lot of folks, and minority status versus white privilege probably plays a role in that, but we’re not those wealthy WASP types.
Honestly, at times I wish we did have more wealth and privilege, then I could use it to do some good. Be the good kind of class traitor. But we don’t, so instead, I’m stuck with the conflict of “WASPs suck, and I look like one and do come from European colonial roots, but I’m trying my best to not act like my countrymen and to be supportive of a socialist revolution, not an obstacle to it.”
even putting content aside this looks like shit. it’s cheap crap. columbus looks like he is fucked up on dune spice and he’s wearing a boxer’s mouthguard. it amazes me that these motherfuckers are always flush with cash and their projects always look like this or the New Norm or whatever. i guess they know it doesn’t matter
Animated with cheap overseas labor I’d bet
Animated by all the flash artists who didn’t get a job at SpindleHorse
And not the good DPRK kind
Oh yeah it’s really offensive to have Elmo telling the viewer he loves you, but Columbus telling native americans to “deal with it” while he enslaves them? COOL AND CHRISTIAN.
The more society likes something, the eviler it is.
What is popular is never what is right.
So there are gonna have to be re-education camps after all this
Re-education isn’t enough. Crackers are this way on an ontological level.
A mix of re-educating and wall using.
Yeah I’m more thinking about the poor kids that will be force fed this shit, the enablers though get the
These people also equate paying taxes or being told to not say slurs is equivalent to slavery.
I don’t think their ‘understanding slavery settings’ are calibrated.
Everything is slavery except actual slavery, which is fine.
This country just needs to die already, really sick of these long ass death throes
You ever heard of the Tuttle Twins? Right wing childrens books turned cartoon who travel thru time to sanitize settler history. They have a grandma who comically always rants about evil Castro.
Very Tall Bart does a great YouTube Poop with them
I can’t find one with the Tuttle Twins but I swear I’ve seen it before.
Im Penis Prager with PragerU
Famous for eating 12 hamburgers at once
“I’m here in Berlin throwing nuclear bombs at poor people without jobs”
I taught a class on political extremism a few years ago and one of my students did a project on the Tuttle Twin books. Fucking wild shit.
*Goes to pre-liberation Cuba*
Everything is bright and sunny.
*Travels back to modern day Cuba*
Sky is dark with an apocalyptic red tinge.
I shit you not, they do that in an episode.
Have you seen the Commie Kid video (complete with a silly “No Communism” sign the mum apparently had to put up) using Cold War fearmongering to sell the books to conservative parents of little kids?
I saw that and wished I could send the kid a copy of State and Revolution and the mum a clue-by-four.
Someone should tell that grandma Castro didn’t steal her slaves, he mugged her, and by threatening her and liberating her slaves he is in the right.
Or does “might makes right” no longer apply when the strong lose to the weak?
Oh cool, Hitler Youth with USian Characteristics!
Better than death? You know how many enslaved Africans died in the crossing or how many taino etc died?
For the Taino it was all of them
By the way - how’s Dennis Prager’s health? Because nobody’s posted I guess it’s very bad news and he recovered.
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