Hot take: The US has ZERO right to “mourn” 9/11 or call it a tragedy because they have done 9/11 hundreds of times over in the Middle East. You don’t get to “never forget” when you’ve forgotten what you did afterward. To be clear, the friends and families of 9/11 victims have every right to mourn, but not the US government.
Pure narcissism
it’s only evil when it happens to them as retaliation, when they do that for decades it’s cute.
Terrible the 9/11 with 3000 victims, Chile 1973, when the CIA organized an military coup and to kill an democratic elected president, Allende, substituting him with an bloody dictator, Pinochet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende
Augusto Pinochet ruled Chile as a military dictator from 1973 to 1990, seizing power through a violent coup that overthrew democratically elected President Salvador Allende on September 11, 1973[1].
Under Pinochet’s regime, between 1,200 and 3,200 people were executed, up to 80,000 were interned, and tens of thousands were tortured[1:1]. The Chilean government has officially documented at least 3,095 killings and forced disappearances[1:2].
The dictatorship implemented radical free-market reforms under the influence of economists known as the “Chicago Boys.” While these policies led to economic growth, they also dramatically increased inequality. The regime privatized social security, healthcare, and hundreds of state-owned enterprises, some sold below market price to politically connected buyers[1:3].
Pinochet’s rule was marked by systematic repression through Operation Condor, a U.S.-supported campaign that targeted political opponents across South America. The CIA maintained contact with Chile’s secret police (DINA) despite knowing of human rights abuses[2]. According to Peter Kornbluh in The Pinochet File, “routine sadism was taken to extremes” in prison camps, including widespread rape, torture, and executions[1:4].
A 1988 plebiscite rejected Pinochet’s bid to extend his rule, with 56% voting against him[1:5]. He stepped down in 1990 but remained as Army Commander-in-Chief until 1998. He was arrested in London in 1998 on human rights charges, though he was released in 2000 on medical grounds[1:6].
Pinochet died in 2006 while facing hundreds of criminal charges in Chile for human rights violations, tax evasion, and embezzlement. He was accused of amassing at least $28 million through corruption[1:7]. His death sparked massive demonstrations across Chile - opponents celebrated while supporters grieved[1:8].
Today, Pinochet’s legacy remains deeply controversial. Recent polls show many Chileans justify the 1973 coup - a July 2023 survey found 66% agreed Chile needs “firm government” over individual rights[3]. However, in 2011 a truth commission identified 40,018 victims of political repression during his rule, including 3,065 killed[1:9].
Let’s also not forget Pinochet had former SS and other nazis on his bankroll operating “orphanages.” He helped them avoid prosecution for their crimes during WWII by hiding them in Chile. They were then put in charge of children whose parents were Pinochet’s victims.
They tortured, abused, and murdered thousands. AFAIK, Chile is still trying to identify all the bodies of kids dumped in mass graves.
This was only one part of Operation Condor.
I know, I lived my youth in the cold War, seeing leaked secret US documents listing where they want to launch nuclear atacks in western EU contries, to stop an supposed Russian invasion.
Nothing to see here, just exporting democracy the american way 🦅 /s
Most of the current wars and bloody dictatorships wouldn’t exist without the US
Eh… England and France left a lot of unstable shit behind from their colonization. Don’t let them off the hook so easily
Plus Europe still practices imperialism, even if they are secondary to US imperialism.
Exporting capitalism at any cost
Expanding the net of imperialism, capitalism’s final stage.
America has been an awful shithole for so many decades.
Centuries.
2 centuries only /s
I was around then…the first three weeks the narrative was the trail can lead anywhere as long as it doesn’t lead to Saudi Arabia…after that it was the trail can lead anywhere as long as it leads to Iraq.
The US deserved 9/11. You can’t be apathetic to the countless atrocities your government commits with your tax dollars and then act surprised when the consequences of those atrocities come back to bite you in the ass.
The people who died didn’t deserve it tho. I see that the US, as a country, fucked around and found out. I think we need to be mindful of our rhetoric tho cuz a lot of people brutally died that day and very much did not deserve it.
“Surprisingly” few oligarchs died that day.
but the plane did hit their church
I think this is a good attitude to have
America as a whole had it coming, but none of the victims deserved their fate. They should effectively be considered victims of America’s actions in the Middle East
None? Are you intentionally forgetting that one of the planes hit the Pentagon?
Whoops, you right XD
I was just thinking about the 2 trade center planes. I’d forgotten about the other 2
I would discuss even that. Some of them sure didn’t deserved it, but it was a fucking WTC, a lot of people working there directly and consciously participated in looting the global south.
Imperial boomerang trvth nvke.
The redactions to 9/11 report were entirely to protect KSA’s full cooperation with US intelligence in making 9/11 happen. Dancing Israeli Mossad agents, and FBI letting them all escape, went home to Tel Aviv TV morning show to explain “they were there to document the event”. Dick Cheney happening to supervise a NORAD training exercise, at all, much less on the same day, and directing response cannot be a coincidence. Larry Silverstein’s $1B asbestos problem, raising insurance coverage, and authority over NYFD to pull WTC 7 the same day, shows not only abnormal prescience, but direct lines to higher authority to make his interests happen. The FBI never determined that OBL was responsible, because higher ups prevented their investigation.
Don’t forget the School of the Americas training of particular saudi nationals. They’ve rebranded since then but still kicking it in GA.
almost sounds something like “my son broke my grandfather clock so i forced him to watch while i smashed all his toys”
Neine Eleaven
Except the country who did it is not muslim.
Wahabbists are as Muslim as Evangelicals are Christian.
They mean Israel.
Wahabbists are largely hated in the Muslim world by both sunnis and shia once you get out of SA, UAE & Turkey. The idea of Wahabbism wasn’t what it is now.
A lot of bad things that happened in the last 40 years could easily be linked to them.
On top of my head:
- Sudan starvation
- Yemen starvation
- The black decade/terrorism in Algeria
- Terrorism in Europe, US & Russia
- Terrorism in Syria (Yazidis mass rape of under age girls, slaughter by HTS/ISIS)
- Terrrorism in large parts of Sahel region of Africa (with mass rape & mass slaughter)
- …
My brain hurst when I read that HTS members admitting they are receiving large support from the US. Or one of the Baghdadi wives heading home in the UK after he got killed.
What county are you talking about?
The perpetual lying country. The only country who benefits from it. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Osama bin Laden was working for Israel. My dude, a claim like that should be accompanied with a Time Cube styled manifesto, not a random you tube video.
This is the current president of Israel lying on camera at US congress, not a random video.
Even still. C’mon. We both know you have a manifesto in multiple fonts and colours. Why are you being so coy, let’s see it.
Don’t feed the troll. Their account is 5 days old, doing stuff like this here.
Does it feel better to know that I used to be a lemmy.ee user for more than a year? Is my opinion more valid?
Ah I see, you are waiting to see the revolution televised.
Fuck off you antisemitic pos
Are you saying the israeli government represents all jews?
No I’m saying exactly what I said based on what your implications are. No need to beat around the bush.
Antisemism is hatred against all jews. I criticised the israeli government and stand by it, not hiding. When did I express hatred against jews?
Using a word means different things in different contexts, but you know all too well. I’m not going to discuss this with you any longer, but you should be ashamed of yourself.
That ain’t love, friendo.
If you think it is, its no wonder.
you guise like soccer?
