• Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
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    lemmy.blahaj.zone has a decent amount of women and both their admins are women, it’s not a “women’s space” as one would describe since everyone is welcome there but it’s probably the closest thing one would describe as an instance “by women for women”. I am obligated to mention that it is a queer instance and that many of the women there are either trans themselves or strongly supportive of trans people, and do not tolerate transphobia or anti-LGBT sentiment (including refusal to support LGBTQ people) at all.

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    This seems like a very good niche for someone willing to do it. Problematic accounts could get a site-wide ban instead of each woman having to ban someone herself.

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        Unfortunately it is niche right now in the fediverse based on the stats. That could change but probably requires a different approach to achieve.

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        I would guess that most women wouldn’t feel the need to be on a woman-focused Lemmy instance for their main / only account. But, some might want an alt account to discuss certain things there.

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          While this won’t be the case with everyone, it was mentioned a few times in a post I made here a long while back

          https://lemmy.ca/post/9443464

          I’m a woman, and make no attempt to hide that fact in my posts. That said, I also don’t personally have much interest in talking about being a woman, so don’t sub to any of those places you linked.

          Over on Reddit I just sort of let people assume I was male a lot of the time, since it wasn’t really relevant to what we were talking about. But from the start on Lemmy I’ve made sure to call out incorrect assumptions, downvote and give a talking to people stereotyping or being misogynistic, etc etc. And the more of us (of all genders) that make that same decision, the better things get

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            That’s pretty brave of you. It’s a lot of work to fight people’s assumptions, and I’m sure it results in harassment.

            But, you’re right that things will never change if women don’t do that. It’s a chicken and egg thing. Nobody wants to be the first to do it, because whoever’s first gets harassed the most. But, if enough people do it, it won’t be abnormal anymore.

            Good luck, and thanks for trying to make women on the internet more normal.

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        I don’t know of any “men only” instances, the fact that it’s gender-specific is niche rather than the specific gender.

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          Same reason womens magazines are more popular than mens magazines and womens subreddits and websites are more popular than mens.

          Maybe one day we’ll have full equality and it’ll be weird to think of “women’s spaces” as something that’s necessary. But it’s very much so today.

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          I don’t believe they actively intended to exclude anyone, but there is/was Dull Men’s Club, and I believe they’ve recently rebranded to “Dullsters”.

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        It’s not niche being a woman obviously. What’s niche is having a community exclude 50% of the population. Nothing wrong with it, but it is niche.

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        Zero women have tried to make one so far regardless of how many would use a new instance. So it can’t be all that in demand.

        I think it naturally would occur if Lemmy grows in size. There’s not many people here to begin with.

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      this is a bit of how Blahaj works as I understand it, so it’s a good model - if anything I would think Blahaj might already be poised for this kind of instance-level protection of women

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      Lemmy needs block lists users can subscribe to like they can on BlueSky, it would make a huge difference imo.

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    But like what even is a social media for women? I wasn’t aware the ones we currently have were for men

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      reddit has /r/TwoXChromosomes which is one of my favorite subs. It’s a general womens subreddit, and though it obviously leans feminist it’s not its main purpose. It welcomes all genders, but remains a womens space.

      The fediverse could really use that energy.

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        There’s also /r/WitchesVsPatriarchy which is also very strictly woman-centered.

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          Damn women appropriating witchdom. Excluding boywitches just reaffirms the patriarchy’s gendering of magic. It’s re-inventing the same gender roles.

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            I’m sorry, what?

            It’s women-centered because it’s “against patriarchy”… not because it’s witchy. And they are trans & queer inclusive as well.

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              I think it would be even more against patriarchy if it was enby centered. They should change that.

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            Neither the WvP subreddit nor the Discord excludes men from identifying as witches or from participating in discussions.

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              Then what does women-centered mean in practice? Is it just a nothing label?

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        Yeah but thats a subreddit not REDDIT itself, you can similarly start a /c/TwoX on just about any Lemmy instance.

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          While I do agree with what you’re saying, I actually think a “by women for women” instance has a slightly different impact than a “by women for women” community. There are definitely pros and cons for both, though

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        We used to have an equivalent on our instance, but it was constantly flooded with reply-bros and trans people complaining about the name, so we archived it as no women was willing to moderate it (for understandable reasons).

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        I wondered if they made the jump over here. Guess not, sadly. Reading that sub has made me a better man, because it offers some pretty harsh critiques of male behavior.

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      I definitely think it should be an inclusive, not exclusive space

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        blahaj.zone is a great one I’ve found. Extremely inclusive, brooks absolutely no bullshit from bad faith actors.

        Is also very very queer tho JSYK

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        Either can describe a bar that throws out Nazis or a Nazi bar, depending on perspective.

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            Nah I’m demanding clarity. A clear question “Do you mean excluding TERFs or excluding women” and the answer is “I want to be inclusive”. It may not be meant as such, and I’m definitely not implying that it was, but that’s exactly how a TERF would evade questioning.

            A clear “Fuck TERFs” would have provided plenty of clarity, and been much shorter. Also, it would have said “Fuck TERFs”.

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        every femcel community gets invaded by guys at some point. see: r/letgirlshavefun and r/femcelgrippysockjail. theres one that went private and thats keeping out the men really well (and is the only community im still on reddit for)

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    beehaw.org aspire to be nice, friendly diverse and safe. But they’re more towards nice, not women. And we have lemmy.blahaj.zone for queer folks. To my knowledge, there isn’t a place aimed towards women. Maybe heehaw is the closest… Still not really a fit.

    You could go ahead and also ask in some of the women communities, see how they get along here on the Fediverse.

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    Pardon my ignorance but what would be the point of that? You can sign up on any instance and participate in any women’s communities. It’s not like there’s any way to verify the user’s gender anyway.

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      A community like that would hopefully ban misogynists who go unbanned on other communities.

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      Local feed I guess. I wouldn’t trade my french local feed to another despite the abillity to subscribe to the community that made it.

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    This idea is pretty cool, i hope they will succeed to achieve that. Imo, we lack diversity on the forumverse except maybe mastodon.

    It would provide an additional security layer, another governance. They could also benefit a lot from local community and can check vote, email, ip…Other have already mentionned good example with blahaj, beehaw…

    On the other hand, it will render the instance more visible.

    On my main instance, jlai.lu, i think we don’t manage well sexist speech. They are moderated, we do our best to explain to our users what’s wrong and slowly change them but we don’t have the same sensibility as women.

    Men explaining women…So we probably missed lot things.

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    Most of the fediverse is male, and there’s a significant trans woman space, but there’s no spaces that really cater to cis women or to trans men specifically that I’ve seen.

    And yes, I think it’s reasonable to look for a space that is strongly (though not exclusively) cis-woman, in the same way that a Protestant would feel out of place in a Catholic community, even though they’re all Christian. I imagine most cis women feel the same way as I (a cis man) feel when going to blahaj - like a friendly, allied visitor in a foreign land.

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    I was thinking of making one, but I’m not a woman, so I’ll think of something else

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      Why should they want to do that? That’s not how most sites for women work!

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      Blahaj.zone is an instance aimed at queer people, but it doesn’t have to prevent non-queer people from participating. I would imagine an instance aimed at women to be similar.

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      There is no resonable way to do that.

      The only way I could see it being done while perserving some kind of anonymity would be to have a defederated instance, where members are invite-only, where members can invite their friends to join, there by verifying that there are no men joining.

      Unfortunately, there is no good way of verifying the gender of a person that you don’t meet outside of a forum.

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    TW: crude and insensitive joke (hopefully the spoiler tag works lol)

    ETA: lemme know if you need this taken down. Sometimes the intrusive thoughts win

    !It’s funny, blahaj.zone is full of pussies, and .ml is full of cunts, and yet there’s no dedicated space for women!<

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        I’m asking if the Reddit user is looking for cis women or is open to trans. A lot of lemmy could be considered women run if trans women are included in the request.

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          I think maybe it would have been clearer to just ask this question directly and openly. The way you phrased it is the way a lot of bigots do to try to start trouble.