I almost don’t feel like the same person I was just 5 years ago. Granted, this is my first 5 years of working full-time, outside of schooling, so I’m no longer actively studying and practicing my mathematical skills.

But beyond that, I just feel like I don’t have free will? My health is degrading because I have unhealthy eating habits, and I really want to stop, and I don’t even really enjoy eating unhealthy food anymore, but I think I might actually be chemically dependent on the refined sugar, carbs, and fat. I work 10 hour days and then I’m too exhausted to eat healthy. If I meal prep healthy food, I sometimes just waste it because I’d rather order a couple burgers. I used to be vegan, and I still think vegans are basically correct, but I no longer have self-discipline.

It feels impossible to fix this shit. Reading what I’ve laid out, I think, “what you need is therapy”. And yeah, maybe, but I’ve had like 7 different therapists and somehow I feel like it usually just becomes a space for me to go and be all introspective and sharing everything about myself to this quiet professional who isn’t really leading the conversation, isn’t contributing much, isn’t giving me an idea of what therapy is supposed to be. There’s just long awkward silences while I think of things to say? And I’m paying $90/hour? So far the only utility to me has been a place to vent. But now I’m doing that here instead because it’s free.

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    I work 10 hour days

    To me, a complete stranger not knowing more about your situation, this was the first thing that jumped out at me. If you’re working more than 8 hours a day or 40 hours a week, I think that’s bound to take a toll on your physical and mental health. I know that the economy and the job market are not good right now, but if you think that there might be any possibility of you finding a better work situation, I think that that would help you a lot. Weigh all the pros and cons of any job change very carefully though, so you don’t end up in a worse situation.

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    I’m 45 and that feeling has always appeared as the impetus and precursor to change. The thoughts and feelings you are having feel bad but trust that feeling. There’s sort of phases of self awareness that develop through adulthood. Maybe you’ve heard people talk about getting a “fuck it” attitude going into 40. This is probably something similar, but it’s like an urge to take things more seriously. We can’t really get to the “fuck it” phase without going through the phase where we learn what our priorities actually are and aren’t.

    My advice: trust yourself and listen to yourself. You can’t change everything all at once, but you can make incremental changes which will amount to real change in less time than you realize. My 30’s were a period of incredible personal growth, and it started with some of the feelings you’re experiencing.

  • around 30 seems to be the age when it’s most allowed to settle into a life of incurious stagnation. the bosses and banks don’t care if you learn anything new or try to develop mastery in a skill.

    i went back to finish school around 30 in a completely different discipline, so honestly my timetable has consistently been off the rails (dropped out at 20, changed careers/quarter life crisis in late 20s). i found higher education and retraining in my 30s to be much easier.

    i don’t put any weight into western “studies” about cognitive decline happening before like 60, because our society does not reward curiosity or edification. they want almost all of us to be incurious treat seekers. the brain is an adaptive organ in an adaptive body that will do its best to adapt to and survive the conditions it is subjected to.

    if i could distill my advice into a directive for people at any age or stage of life: cultivate curiosity.

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      i went back to finish school around 30 in a completely different discipline, so honestly my timetable has consistently been off the rails (dropped out at 20, changed careers/quarter life crisis in late 20s). i found higher education and retraining in my 30s to be much easier.

      Absolutely. I have to readjust a whole bunch of lifestyle changes, and there’s absolutely no way 20 year old me would’ve handled the transition.

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      Yeah I don’t know how my peers do it. I could never see myself working fulltime 5 years straight, unless it would fully pay a mortgage and also if I got to switch positions at some point.

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    Trying to rely on self-discipline is equivalent to just trying to will yourself to be better. You’re much better off trying to change the environment so that it’s easier to behave in the way you want and harder to behave in a way that you don’t. An easy example is that you shouldn’t shop for food when you are hungry, and you should only buy food that you think you should ever be eating (even if only sometimes). If you have less food lying around that is bad for you, and especially if it’s not lying out but up in a drawer or something while other options are lying out, it often becomes much easier to make better choices. Certainly it’s helped me a lot.

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    As someone who just passed 30, the major issue is almost certainly working full time.

    In my experience, therapy is often better than venting online, but worse than venting to a trustworthy friend. But it’s kinda unfair to make that your friends responsibility

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    If you are constantly exhausted from work then that will impact your capabilities in all facets, and can lead to mental stagnation and even degradation. No amount of therapy can fix that.

    If you want an easy trick to work on your food habit while being chronically exhausted: meal prep food that you actually like to eat after a long work day. Let it be less healthy than you’d ideally want, if it’s even a little bit better than what you’d order otherwise then it’s a win.

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    I said this in a reply comment but I’m redoing it because I want to make sure you see it: get enough sleep. Self-discipline is a mental resource that depletes with exhaustion. So is emotional regulation, which can be another motivation for seeking out easy physical comfort, like sugar and fat-rich food, as a method of self-soothing.

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    ~40 y/o vegan checking in: What you’re describing sounds like burnout. I got it around age 35 after failing to establish good professional/personal limits, and using food and pot as pressure valves.

    For me, I had to make a bunch of lifestyle changes that weren’t easy, but were necessary. The first one was quitting my job. If you change your situation, then fix your food, get moderate regular exercise and sleep your brain will indeed still work. For many decades in fact (or so I’m told).

    Now I will stray further into ‘what worked for me’, so I risk telling you things that are tuned for my personal situation, but you still may find them useful. A therapy recommendation: just read Feeling Good by Burns and self-service. Therapy doesn’t need to be a lifelong subscription service and, outside of severe cases, anti-depressants mask and delay dealing with depression. Meditation is similarly a free tool that can be quite useful. As are walks outside looking at trees.

    Good luck!

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    Therapy requires action on your part to be effective. Finding a therapist match can be difficult, but it isn’t just a place to vent. Therapists can’t tell you what you do.

    You’re likely depressed. Your life is just work and your brain’s pattern recognition is seeing the trend and cutting a rut in your neural pathways. The older you get the harder it’ll be to make changes to those ruts, but it is doable. Start small and do something out of your routine for a couple of weeks and see if you notice a change.

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    This was from online studies, so take it with a grain of salt, but from https://news.mit.edu/2015/brain-peaks-at-different-ages-0306 :

    • raw speed in processing information appears to peak around age 18 or 19, then immediately starts to decline.
    • short-term memory continues to improve until around age 25, when it levels off and then begins to drop around age 35.
    • the ability to evaluate other people’s emotional states, the peak occurred much later, in the 40s or 50s.

    Mostly, I would guess what you’re feeling is the grind of full time work. I remember hearing that mathematicians peaked by 30, but a quick search suggests that was always a bias for rewarding people early in their careers and is not backed up my more recent data.

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      Is this a useful thing to be telling this struggling person? Fixating on optimal brain performance is an ageist, over extended Darwinian way of punishing yourself and others. It’s part of a domination ideology and is inherently anti-human. We will all age, but this idea that once we have different processing power or memory we have less to contribute or are in some way diminished is very unhealthy. Marx was 49 when Vol 1 of Capital was published.

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        I gather it is not useful to you, but it is exactly the sort of thing I would want to hear, specifically: I would want a link to some data before any random opinion/advice. I could guess and say “lots of us feel the same way”, but I don’t know if that is true – my feeling is not data, and when people try to console me in that manner, it sounds like BS because I recognize they are offering empty platitudes without actually considering my situation. If instead someone can show me they took the time to think about my issue, and have actual information for me, then I am reassured that their opinion isn’t a flippant and unconsidered reflex.

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    Alienation is real. Can you change to shorter, nine or eight hour shifts? Or is that not an option? It would make you less exhausted and give time for exercise and hobbies.

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    I think I might actually be chemically dependent on the refined sugar, carbs, and fat

    i’m pretty sure sugar in particular is literally physically addictive yeah

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      Yeah I get really bad gravings but if I quit for a few weeks my desire for sweets goes very low. Even if I make myself think about the snacks I don’t really want any. I can snack a bit once or twice a week and be fine. But if I get a multi unit deal or a family value pack it’s over.

      Discounts on larger amounts of snacks should just be illegal.

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      I’ve been trying to eat/drink less sugar (especially refined sugar) and it’s hard, I think I have an easier time managing nicotine cravings than sugar cravings

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    So you got a degree and you are not using it, do I understand that correctly? That’s pretty typical honestly. What kind of work are you doing now? 10 hour days, so is it a 4x10 schedule or are you working 50 hours a week? What’s your living situation?

    Not trying to be invasive here, just trying to understand your situation better.

    Try thinking of your life in terms of where you have agency, and how much agency you have in each place.

    You should be able to come up with a list spheres where you have agency and rank them from most to least.

    For example: eating healthy, this could be a high agency item.

    If it’s just you that you have to worry about, then you have a lot of agency to here to make the changes you want. One way you can make this change is by creating friction between you and the easier choice. This means removing apps from your phone, for example, removing saved cc details in the food app accounts, anything to make it harder or more annoying to do.

    This can go for all kinds of things. The more friction you put between you and the easy/undesirable choices, the less likely you’ll do them.

    But you also need to make the right choices easier. Initial this might be hard to do, but it can be a compounding thing. Sometimes you might need a codependent to kick you into gear. If you have someone in your life willing to chill st your place while you food prep, that might help you get it done. Depending on your situation that could be easier said then done though.

    It’s not enough to talk about your struggles, you should try and sort out what is actionable and what isn’t, then break down the actionable stuff into manageable bites, making it easier to get started.

    And I should say that, I should be following my own advice more. Theory means nothing without practice afterall.

    I think we sometimes catastrophize our situations, we extrapolate all the ways something might not work, instead of trying things and seeing what does work and what doesn’t. I’m very guilty of that.