this isn’t beautiful. it looks like the numbers are rising. there are several ways to make the downward shift clearer.
on another note, it’s always nice to see the cult is still drinking the kool aid. never change, idiot hogs.
So still about half of people are ignorant and have the intellect of a child. Got it.
WHOA 64% to 29% of democrats.
Holy shit.
That’s the headline right there.
I find the shift in black and Hispanic responses interesting as well. They were higher than white people before and now lower.
yeah it was a “first time?” moment
white people had chances to be employed for hundreds years earlier and still couldn’t make it, while for many black people, it was the first time that they felt they got a chance too. 10 years later, many are disillusioned. i guess
Decline in upwards social mobility in the US (The very first graph is pretty illustrative)
I suspect almost all of those 47% are the old people who grew up when it was still the case for most people that they could actually improve their lot in life if the worked hard. That has worsened over time for decades and is not at all the case for the younger generations.
yeah i feel like the 1960s were the last time that people could actually be born and expect a lifetime of good employment options. for everyone after that, we’re either getting the scraps, there’s a declining labor market, we get to do the jobs today that didn’t get done in the decades earlier, because nobody bothered to do them before, because they’re less rewarding, anyways there’s a
stagnatingdeclining labor market because there’s just not so many more things to do. if you’re born in 1800, people are spreading all over america, there’s lots of stuff to do. if you’re born in 1900, the electrical power grid just got invented, now there’s time to build an industry. but now? (most of) all the technology is invented/developed. my honest prediction is that spaceflight is gonna be the last option to grow the economy, because space is (in principle) infinite, if we dare to use it. but apart from that, i don’t think that people will have actual jobs (that are actually meaningful, no bullshit jobs, that pay actual wages, that actually improve society by a significant bit).on the other side, it might be the start of a good time for all the people who don’t actually want to work, because that’s becoming a possibility, if we can push through the tax reforms to actually give wealth to the people, all of them.
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That 47% are fucking delusional.
Even republican respondants going down is surprising
I’d view this as a positive rather than a negative. 20% more people aren’t delusional.
Things have definitely still gotten harder. Your framing isn’t great because it implies things were just as hard a decade ago, which many factors point that isnt the case. I’m not saying it was easy then or the 67% were right, but things have gotten worse.
Yes, I was assuming people would be aware of that much on their own when I made a silly
I gladly receive any news of the expansion of class consciousness, and appreciate the data to prove it.
this is not news of class consciousness at all. it just means that 20% people believe they can’t make it anymore while they could make it 10 years ago. it does not mean that they identify themselves as a part of a “class” at all.
Interesting how minorities believed it more then whites before, but now that has collapsed.
I guess 2016 was the height of the Obama era and there was still the slightest push to try and get minorities in high positions. Now anything that can help them has been deemed “woke” and defunded.
The three major groups of minorities are the emancipated black children of slavery, immigrants, and various natives.
For black people, even if equality hasn’t been achieved, there was a rather large increase in quality of life for the overall community, even if it wasn’t a uniform increase.
For immigrants, a lot of immigrants were able to improve their quality of life both within their generation and beyond to their next generation.
For various native groups, they are a rounding error compared to the first two groups.
Quiet quitting
Ahead of whom, anyway?
many words today are used in a way that they can be interpreted in many ways, sothat each chooses the interpretation they like the most
some interpret:
- “getting ahead” = getting head. getting sexual experiences because times are good, people are enjoying things
- “getting ahead” = winning some race against somebody else. competitive people, competitive mindset. somebody else has to lose sothat you can win
- others just don’t think about it and just take it as a “okay everything is good” thing.
Hunger, suffering, death, etc
I recall getting one of these surveys a while back. It wasn’t clear to me what they meant by “get ahead” or “work hard” or “can”.
I selected “agree” for that question.
I think my main thought at the time was that if we all work together and help each other out instead of taking the easy route of continuing to contribute to the existing capitalist system, we could all have a much better quality of life.
Did the question say ‘you’ or ‘we/us’?
I don’t recall, but I don’t see how that would’ve made a difference. My reasoning applies to the collective, and I’m part of that collective.
Republicans remain delusional
are republicans detached from reality or do they tend to be richer?
Yes.
In the Netherlands, getting ahead requires a mix of talent, luck, being born in the right zip code and work. I can only guess how this works out in a highly competative economy like the US.
it’s exactly the same.
the issue is the lack of a social safety net means your prospects of getting ahead if you are born poor are basically non-existence. that wasn’t the case in the 1980s though, a poor kid could get into harvard with drive and effort. now, they don’t have a much chance of going to a public college. the stats are insanely bad compared to where they were a generation or two ago.
the upper classes in the USA have systematically pulled up the opportunity ladder, and horded it all for themselves for the past 30 years. they have also made it so that talent less lazy children have to do very little to succeed in life, by systematically removing them from having to complete with talented hard working poor kids.
they seem themselves as an aristocracy more and more. the idea of meritocracy is rapidly disappearing.
It’s the same, except they expect you to work harder with less time off. And the lack of a social safety net means there’s a huge disaffected impoverished underclass, with added discrimination against minorities and undocumented immigrants with no route to citizenship
sincere question - why does your zip code matter in the Netherlands?
Good question, and I was too lazy to search for a source. basically, statistical research has shown that zip codes of where you were born significantly correlate to income in the Netherlands, even in the same city. It depends partly on geography, but also on general wealth in the street you grow up in. A quickly googled source in Dutch: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/bepaalt-waar-je-bent-geboren-echt-je-kansen-in-het-leven~bc55f410/
In the United States, zip code also correlates because things like school funding are based on property tax and vary by location.
thanks!
It’s been a lie ever since they ended the Homesteading Act.
