• How_do_I_computah@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I’m not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war. It’s not relevant to this situation. Blinding yourself to your team’s mistakes doesn’t make them go away and doesn’t blind other people. If this is real it has the exact opposite effect the Ukrainian wanted to have.

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      I’m not debating who the aggressor is or who started the war. It’s not relevant to this situation.

      It is extremely relevant to the situation.

      The soldiers on one side die pointless deaths for their leader’s vanity. If you tell them they’ll die if they join it’s a deterrent, because they can stay home and be safe.

      The soldiers on the other side die protecting their home and their people. If you tell them they’ll die if they join it’s not a deterrent, because they’ll die if nobody joins as well.

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        9 days ago

        I do not believe all the Russian soldiers or especially all the Russian college kids see themselves as dying for their leader’s vanity. I mean this as a matter of perception not reality.

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          see themselves as

          So some of them bought into the propaganda of “doing it for Russia”. Doesn’t mean it changes the fact they are dying for Putler’s vanity, no matter how they see themselves.

          Your perception doesn’t alter reality.

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          They know the war is senseless. They know Russia is not defending itself.

          Most of the ones who do go to war do it for money. So they know they’re not dying for a noble cause.

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          Ofc it is.

          Ukraine didn’t invade anyone. They’re not the criminal here. Russia is. Russians may not have options in their fascist hellhole, but that doesn’t mean that it’s wrong for the Ukrainians to kill them if they agree to participate in said international crime of an illegal war of aggression.

          It’s fair warning, and you just want to whatabout. I have zero pity for anyone Russian if they’re not actively opposing Puti and seeking to change the regime.

          Conscientious objection to military service is recognized by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights as a legitimate exercise of the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right is also recognized in the Russian Constitution.

          So yeah, if these conscripts aren’t opposing their service, fuck them and they deserve every inch of misery coming their way. “Just imagine it the other way around” is kinda worthless. Imagine telling a small woman who got raped by a burly violent man to “imagine how it would feel the other way around”. Gonna be kinda hard to, and that is irrelevant whataboutism.

          No pity for Ruskis until they fuck off from Ukraine

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            9 days ago

            I think you are mistaking my criticism of a tactic for a criticism of a cause. I applaud your passion but please understand that I am not debating the righteousness of the Ukrainians’ cause.

            If this is a real Ukrainian then this tactic does not serve his cause.

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          Consider this a general comment regarding all that you’ve “contributed” here:

          You should sue whomever taught you how to write persuasively. They’ve made you look breathtakingly stupid.

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      Lmao “who the aggressor is and who started the war is not relevant”. Uhh on what fucking planet? It’s incredibly relevant, just not to you apparently.