• w3dd1e@lemmy.zip
    18·
    11時間前

    Aside from the homophobia, they still get birthday cakes with candles that say their age when they are 24?

  • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    47·
    18時間前

    Just going to say that looks way more gay than the number 24…

    The more you try to avoid looking gay, the more gay you look. It’s funny coming from a place as gay as Brazil.

    • melfie@lemmy.zip
      6·
      16時間前

      If you’re not gay, you must prove it by wearing a birthday tiara and listening to nothing but Judy Garland the whole day.

  • Bazell@lemmy.zip
    22·
    19時間前

    Can someone share some lore what is the connection between being gay and 24 in Brazil?

    • Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works
      59·
      18時間前

      There’s an illegal gambling game that has been extremely popular for decades called the animal game (jogo do bicho), in which each number represents an animal. 24 is the deer (veado). There’s also a derogatory word for gay men, viado. The two words sound the same. So 24 is “the deer’s number” but it sounds like “the fag’s number”.

      Viado comes from desviado, which means someone who was driven off the proper path. It’s just a matter of homophony (and homophobia).

    • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
      21·
      15時間前

      I shared it ITT, but basically:

      There’s that stereotype of gay people being flamboyant, and often hopping in excitement. That created a bunch of associations between hopping animals and gay people; e.g. “gazela” (gazelle), “bicha saltitante” (jumping/hopping beast), but specially “veado” (deer). Often spelled as “viado”.

      And there’s a gambling lottery called “jogo do bicho” (critters’ game, or animals’ game). Illegal but extremely popular, to the point some knowledge of the game is part of the popular culture. It associates 25 animals with numbers, and #24 is “veado” / deer.

      So: if 24 is veado, and veado is gay, then 24 is gay. Plop it into a macho culture, much like in the rest of Latin America, and you’ll see people avoiding the number. Even for their birthdays.

      Nowadays it’s mostly a joke; but frankly I don’t like it, it still treats gay people negatively, as if “gay” was “to be avoided”. Roughly in the same level as “we did $thing but no homo!” in English, you know?

  • irate944@piefed.socialEnglish
    125·
    1日前

    Me: There’s no way that’s true

    Me, after web searching: Huh…

    Context: They have a betting game called “Jogo do bicho” (Animal game, direct translation). Number 24 corresponds to deer, which is “veado” in portuguese - which is very similar to"viado", which is a slur for gay people persons.

    I still doubt these candles are popular though.

    • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
      93·
      24時間前

      Number 24 corresponds to deer, which is “veado” in portuguese - which is very similar to"viado", which is a slur for gay people persons.

      The slur isn’t just similar to the name of the critter — it is the name of the critter. You also see people using “gazela” (gazelle), “Bambi” (that Disney critter), “biba saltitante” (jumping… “biba”, dunno what was supposed to be) as slurs for gay people, always under the “flamboyantly jumping” stereotype.

      The reason it gets spelled with an “i” is that slurs and swearing often get misspelled in Portuguese. It’s the same deal with boceta→buceta (pussy), caralho→caraio→carai (dick), foder→fuder→fudê (to fuck).

      • irate944@piefed.socialEnglish
        29·
        23時間前

        Thanks for the explanation mate, that makes a lot more sense.

        I’m portuguese and I always thought that veado was the word, just that “e” was “stressed” to sound like “i”. I didn’t know until today that there were actually two words

        • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
          19·
          23時間前

          Some prescriptivists would argue “viado” isn’t an actual word, and that even the slur should be spelled “veado”. But just like “buceta” the misspelling has become way more popular than the original word.

      • hraegsvelmir@ani.social
        6·
        22時間前

        It’s only the same if you ignore Portuguese pronunciation, though, this is still some rightwing snowflake shit. Veado and viado will only sound the same if you speak some ignorant, backwater version of Brazilian Portuguese, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

        Viado e veado não soam igual, mano, esse é coisa de homens frágeis, eu não sei de que você tá falando. Deixe essa porra pros Bolsonaristas. Nem os tugas falam assim.

        • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
          7·
          19時間前

          For people who might be tempted to trust the witch hunting liar above, check the transcriptions in Wiktionary for veado and viado. Both lists are incomplete but they already show, that what I’m saying is accurate, and that the user above is at the very least lying, if not worse (vomiting assumptions and re-eating their own vomit).

          Also relevant to note I’m reporting words associated with prejudice. I’m not condoning their usage. The way I’m referring to gay people and their community ITT is consistently polite, even if I’m talking about a slur used to target those folks. Gay rights — much like trans rights — are human rights; rights depend on power, power depends on knowledge. That applies to slurs; one can only fight against prejudice if they know how it’s conveyed, and how words associated with prejudice pop up.

          It’s only the same if you ignore Portuguese pronunciation
          Viado e veado não soam igual, [viado and veado don’t sound the same]
          Nem os tugas falam assim. [not even the Portuguese speak like this]

          Portuguese pronunciation varies a lot depending on the region. There isn’t a “single” one, like you’re implying; that’s fiction created by nationalists who believe languages should be homogeneous.

          For “veado” you’ll see the [e] being raised to [i] or [j] in three situations:

          • Caipira, Paulistano, Sulista, Mineiro, Gaúcho dialects; mostly due to pre-stressed vowel raising. Typically people doing so also say “bisoro” (besouro), “tisora” (tesoura), “minino” (menino), “durmi” (dormir) and similar, as it’s the same underlying change.
          • Widespread across Portugal, but specially in the Centre and North. The fast prosody of unstressed syllables triggers diphthongisation, so you get something like ['jV] for more conservative [e.'V] and [i.'V].
          • Speakers of many other dialects in fast speech. The underlying process is similar to the above.

          You’re lying.

          this is still some rightwing snowflake shit

          No, it is not. Learn to read then stop being a liar / an assumer.

          But you know, what’s rightwing shit? This:

          Veado and viado will only sound the same if you speak some ignorant, backwater version of Brazilian Portuguese

          You’re oozing linguistic prejudice, rooted in nationalism (the myth of homogeneous language), further mixed with classism (“backwater”). What you’re saying is the same as “my Reichsprache has a single pronunciation, everyone else is an ignorant degenerating it!”, it doesn’t get more disgusting than that.

          so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
          eu não sei de que você tá falando.

          If you don’t get what others say, you don’t get to label it either, unless you’re a disingenuous / assumptive piece of shit and deserve to be treated as such.

          But the concept of honesty is a wee bit too complex for you, innit? Bloody hell.

        • lacaio 🇧🇷🏴‍☠️🇸🇴@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
          9·
          21時間前

          Viado es veado. Fuck this

          Even if it sounded different it wouldn’t make a difference, because language is flexible and undefined, or are we going to take classes on how to talk “e” or “i” as well? I’m certain we need more of those 🙄

    • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      1日前

      They’re popular enough for them to have been mass-produced, as opposed to, say, just writing the text on the cake with frosting.

      • ascend@lemmy.radio
        13·
        22時間前

        Kind of funny someone is so self conscious about looking “weak” or whatever has a birthday cake with candles

    • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      8·
      24時間前

      That’s not the reason though. 24 (vinte e quatro) is the gay number because it sounds like “vim de quatro” which means something like “I came on all 4s”

    • marcos@lemmy.world
      6·
      23時間前

      It’s a very popular joke. I have no idea how many people take it seriously, since those would probably not say they do.

      I imagine most people that buy a candle like that do it for somebody else’s birthday to imply the other person is gay.

  • Gork@sopuli.xyz
    90·
    1日前

    Straight men have a 23+1 hr schedule every day. The extra hour is for secret gay time.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
      1·
      15時間前

      Yeah sounds pretty gay (derogatory) to care that much about being seen as gay (celebratory)

  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
    21·
    22時間前

    If they are worried about seeming gay, why are they decorating their cake with 23+1 sparkly magic Spanish anuses? Seems preeeetty gay…

    For those confused, in Portuguese (which they speak in Brazil), “ano” is year. But in Spanish “año” is year, and “ano” is anus. Also the blue seems speckled or glittery (unclear in the picture) and it says in the corner that it has a magic wick.