Like, we all know they’re listening , but can we provide proof?
My friend was complaining about all the new super surveillance that will be government required in cars after 2027, and I said to him dude you have a stock android, you use every AI slop feature, you use a smart TV on your unsecured network, and uses x every day. They have everything they could possibly need on him. Oh and he posts questionable things to fb daily under his real name.
Regarding TVs, WikiLeaks’ Vault 7 publication in 2017 included “Weeping Angel”, CIA malware for Samsung TVs which streams audio from them while they’re in “fake off” mode.
https://mashable.com/article/cia-samsung-tv-hack-weeping-angel
I saw proof one day. I was visiting a welding shop on business, never been there before, didn’t know them. At some point, I’m sitting in the office with about five guys, distracting them from their work, yakking, and I mention a big piece of gear I have to haul around using a cart. One suggests a different kind of cart, and describes it. As we’re talking, one of the other guys gasps, and holds his phone up to show the boss.
While we were talking, this guy opened his phone, and the first ad that popped up was for that odd, obscure equipment cart that we had just been talking about.
It turned out that these guys had been discussing this subject earlier, and now it was confirmed for all of us.
The fun part is that they dnt even need to listen for this. They track everything you search, link it to your phones ip, number, and location. But it doesnt stop there. They know people will talk to the people they are around.
So if person A searches something 2 days ago and then goes to hang out with person B who has similar interests, they will serve ads about those products to person B because they figure it will be relevant at some point. Basically, the prediction software is so good that it comes off as listening to every word you said.
They are def also listening, but this is more often what is happening. Use a vpn and privacy focused browser and you will notice the relevance of ads drop significantly
Last paragraph: This!
What ads? My browser blocks ads. My vpn blocks ads. I pay for email so don’t see ads there. I pay for search so I don’t see ads there, either. I self host media. My TV doesn’t connect to the internet.
I seriously never see ads.
👍 Well done there. Using Brave, DDG, Ecosia and Firefox. Got Mulvad, got Tuta. Pay for search? Who with? Moving towards self hosting. Just ditched internet on my TV.
I pay for Kagi search.
Yes. This suggestion is for folks that are tired of constant ads. Not folks that are already doing what i just suggested lol
The one that did it for me - I was in the car with my wife and a friend. We were driving down the highway and talking about the clouds we saw. And I said “I wander what kind of clouds those are. Like cumulus? Alto?”
The I take out my phone and type “types of” and the first auto-fill option that came up was “types of cloud” and I was like “there’s no fucking way that just happens to be the highest suggested search prompt”
More likely you weren’t the only one making searches like that in that area.
It won’t be long before we’ll be getting into sexy time with the spouse, and the phone on the nightstand dings with a notification. You pause to check it, and it’s an ad for a new sex lube!
For example there was this one time where videos from robot vacuums leaked, including people shitting. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11562599/Robot-vacuum-cleaner-took-photos-woman-toilet-images-ended-Facebook.html
Fuck that tabloid, the Daily Mail… but there was the guy who was attempting to mod his robovac so he could control it with a PlayStation controller. The AI he was using to help ended up giving him keys that let him remotely access thousands of robovacs, including their cameras and mics.
Link for the event f4 is talking about:
and this is why I made sure to get a model without a camera D:
That is what I did too for the first one. My current vacuum uses valetudo as alternative firmware.
Many years ago this one was done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBnDWSvaQ1I
And the explanation behind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8gvXPwWjY&t=0
So this proves it. Then his second video was made because the MIB came to his door. Got it.
They’re absolutely listening.
It’s not logically sound, but at this point the burden of proof needs to be on Big Tech if they want to claim they’re not spying. Otherwise we’d have to prove it for each individual model, and that isn’t feasible, and only supports the opposition.
Mark Zuckerberg puts a sticker over his laptop camera and microphone.
This isn’t a proof of mass surveillance. He’s one of the most famous people on earth and he’s probably the target of many hackers.
He also gave his famous opinion about Facebook users. Deep down, he agrees with privacy advocates. The diff is that he’s a shitty enough person to take advantage of the less techy people out there even if his society will be damaged badly in the process. Most of us are not that shitty.
they trust me
dumb fucks
I think we can move beyond Facebook here. Trusting big tech with your data never works out well.
That’s called being a Sociopathic Oligarch
the biggest hypocrites are tech CEO’s limiting their children’s screen time and forbidding social media
Are drug lords who are not actively overdosing on their adulterated products also hypocrites?
I mean kind of yeah
You can get sound from any speaker by hacking the electrical signals generated in reverse.
get a proj, only hdmi, only via laptop thats what i did
The very notion of proof implies that you can reproduce it. So I would suggest you forget what anybody here or elsewhere said. Instead, you :
- get a cheap phone (so typically Android)
- reset/format/flash it to a blank state
- make a new testing account on it
- use for random browsing, using app, etc and you log your history, namely what did you actually do AND what ads you actually see
- test for something outside of your new habits with a search query, then log and compare again, seeing the threshold to change
- repeat the last step for something said using e.g. a voice assistant, log&compare
- repeat WITHOUT explicit search, log&compare
Yes this takes a of time but that will help you make YOUR own opinion on the matter if you genuinely care.
How has no one done exactly this???
Or try this. Start saying something nefarious involving government near your phone every day and see how long it takes you to fall out a 12th story window.
The manufacturers tell you.
And they even make you click the “I have read and understood this” button under the document that explicitly states that they’re spying on you and selling all your data.
AFAIK this is the only evidence: a claim by a marketing company that they’re actually doing it. However, they have some reason to lie about this, bc it makes them sound all-knowing and powerful to their clients.
https://www.404media.co/cmg-cox-media-actually-listening-to-phones-smartspeakers-for-ads-marketing/
paywall?
It is not the only evidence, as you say, but it is particularly good evidence.
don’t need any such “proof”. the whole industry has lost any and all benefit-of-doubt privileges, for ever. they don’t get an opportunity to gain a foothold in mi casa and possibly be in a position to do harm.
I don’t get the idea that after all the shit they pulled someone’s like “well maybe this new thing’s nice”.
those are immoral people with zero compunctions about doing anything that hurts you, your community, and humanity as a whole. we are in an adversarial position and you’d do well to remind yourself of that constantly.
I don’t get the idea that after all the shit they pulled someone’s like “well maybe this new thing’s nice”.
I look at my friends who do this even though I advize them not to. For them, data is invisible and out of sight, out of mind. Their TV is a consumer device like IDK a toaster or washing machien. They put it online with no real thought to data or privacy. From their perspective this is normal. Their neighbors all do it with their TVs. Their friends all do it! I am the only one who makes a warning to them. Everyone else they know does it. Who wouldn’t want a “smart” TV???
They don’t understand tech very well and they feel like what they see most people doing must be good. They are not thinking about the eroding effect on their whole society from normalizing dragnet surveillance and total privacy loss. It’s too abstract, and the allure of the shiny is too much.
Same here. im the crazy one because I dont want zucc listening to me in my home. I can’t stand normies dude. Brainwashed.
don’t need any such “proof”
I’m gonna stop you there. I’m okay with no benefit of the doubt in terms of them being bad actors, but your worldview still has to be built at the bones and joints out of things known to be true otherwise there’s no stopping you from believing every conspiracy with no guard rails.
I don’t think there’s yet a specific smoking gun on this front, but I think once there is, then it is okay to presume it likely happening in other instances. But no smoking gun just yet.
you’re ignoring the important part - who that’s coming from.
analyzing a new shit-sandwich from the shit-sandwich-shop to determine “does this one have shit in it” is a valid academic endeavor, but hardly something you’d spend one second of your life pondering.
Puedo yo poner in foothold en tu casa?
the English would be un pie, and you can drop the yo :)
Oh, no the preocupes, el uso de foothold aquí fue una elección artística
Think of something you’ve never mentioned or discussed before, then out of nowhere, start having a conversation with a friend about it, how much you like it and are thinking about getting it, taking lessons etc then see what happens over the next week on either your or your friend’s ads (turn off ad blocker if you use one).
I recommend something completely unusual for most people like an instrument (didgeridoo or cowbell)
Here’s court cases lost by Google and Apple
Also, whenever monolithic megacorporations not recording you directly, virtually everyone is still buying any data about you they can get from actual malware distributing criminals.
Microphone hijacking is real and commonplace. (Edit: Fixed link thanks to some feedback.)
The malware vendors sell what they learn about us on black markets. And in net effect, everyone is buying from them.
They “Privacy Wash” the things they learn from the illegal recordings, by passing them from one disreputable broker to another. Each broker can keep poor quality records of exactly where they got their data. Pretty soon it’s just “part of your digital fingerprint” and “can’t be helped”.
Thanks for providing links but I don’t trust the ny post.
Here’s a story where people working for Apple got access to audio recorded during seemingly unwanted times like during sex.
But I imagine these people were enabling voice recording in the first place. I trust my phone not to record if I disable those features (though sometimes they make this difficult).
I think Apple is generally better about this stuff then other companies though? Since they actually went to court to protect e2e encryption.
Lastly, if youre someone of interest to powerfull people, there are otherways they can use your phone against you like with pegasus:
I don’t trust my smartdevices farther than I can throw them. Hence, I run GrapheneOS.
One’s a settlement with a blanket denial of guilt for Siri and Google Assistant. At least mild circumstantial evidence, because there’s a real mechanism (accidental activation and recording) is identified, but no proof, and certainly no proof of an ongoing intentional data broker style program. But at least enough of a pain that they won a settlement. So that counts as a trace of meaningful circumstantial evidence.
But the second one is just a link to sell you a product that doesn’t provide any evidence whatsoever and doesn’t even pretend to, it discusses the possibility in vague generalities as something hackable and tries to sell you a product. I’m baffled as to why you think that counts as a source.
I’m baffled as to why you think that counts as a source.
I mean, just Google it. Microphone hacking is a thing. (Edit: You know what, Let me Google that for you.)
I only felt obligated to grab a link grabbed because folks keep repeating the misinformation that “no one is hacking your phone microphone, or it would be in the news”. It’s just not news anymore.
Android and iOS malware will try to grab stuff off of your microphone.
It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s not news.
Malware actors do malware things, and sell whatever they can harvest.
You don’t need a microphone, any speaker can be a microphone.
https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/154343/can-a-speaker-be-used-as-a-microphone
Every device made to receive voice commands (Smart TVs, Amazon Echo) WILL listen to everything you say.
And if they provide a button or setting to turn that off you are relying on trusting them to comply with it (I don’t think they do and even if they are found doing it they will probably pay a minuscule fine for it)
