All three are ridiculous. In what world should every application take two gigabytes of disk?
No. Apt won.
hard disagree I much prefer appimages over flatpaks.
Doesn’t Ubuntu still ship with Snap? I don’t think Flatpak trumps that yet. It’s hard to say one of the other formats won when Canonical (or Fedora derivatives in the case of Flatpak) still mainline something else.
I use flatpak and app images for different uses.
App images are like portable exe files for onetime use apps. Like Rufus
Flatpaks are like installable exes from the devs website. Used for apps I want to used and use again on my machine.
Yeah Flatpacks aren’t really “competing” with Appimages the way they are with Snaps.
I use Docker and apt instead. The definition of an application lives in a single text file and you don’t give it anymore resources or permissions than it needs.
So much so, that I wrote a bunch of scripts to make life easier, without ever needing to go anywhere near appimage, flatpak or snap.
cool but isn’t the whole point of flatpaks to provide an alternative for when the “apt” version doesn’t exist?
I use apt, but you don’t have to, instead you can use any package manager from any distribution and use that distribution within the container.
If an application isn’t packaged, you can use the same mechanism to compile from source.
IMHO, if it’s not packaged and you can’t compile from source, it’s time to look for a different application.
I prefer appimages, it feels much more “open” than flatpak ever will.
Flatpak: install flatpost and flatseal.
Appimage: Download appimaged appimage to ~\Applications and run once.
then
Flatpak: Go to site for cool software I heard of, see it’s flatpak with a link on the page. Click link, wait for flatpost to open, wait for flatpost to update repos, get cool software and possibly another copy of mesa and gnome compat stuff, then head to flatseal to fix drive/device permissions as needed.
Appimage: Go to site for cool software I heard of, see it’s an appimage, download said appimage to ~\Applications, appimaged automatically loads in a desktop entry and we’re done.
As far as updates, all the appimages that are in active development that I use, offer auto-updating when I open them, plus I’m not reliant on a centrally-controlled repo of the packages (which if it dies, takes all updates with it).
I feel appimage would be an easier adoption for people fresh to linux, as it follows the same model as windows or macos (download executable, install app), even for the initial setup of appimaged.
And either way, there’s no “winner” here, if we’re playing that game, native installs still win. Every distro supports (and uses) those by default, except for ubuntu, who has money on pushing snaps.
They aren’t really in competition, also AppImages don’t update as easily.
I don’t think Flatpak “won”. Flatpak makes sense for it’s use, but AppImages also make sense for other uses, and even Snap has it’s place.
It just happens that Flatpak has become the more “popular” method on many desktop Linux set ups, as Flathub integrates well into software stores and the shared dependencies can be more efficient (if you use a lot of Flatpaks).
AppImages are great for self contained portable apps with minimal local dependencies needed, and especially if something is pretty much “feature complete”. They aren’t quite as convenient in terms of keeping them updated or integrating into desktop environments seamlessly (they can be if you visit AppImageHub and install the AppImageLauncher - doesn’t work for me thought - but even then they’re not really as well integrated into desktop environments as Flatpaks have become).
If you were to use lots of programmes, AppImages would potentially take up more space than the same apps in a Flatpak setup because AppImages do not share dependencies while Flatpaks can (if dependencies are the same version). But AppImages are also ultraportable and can run on an even broader range of distros and setups than Flatpaks. AppImages don’t require any installed tool locally to run, while Flatpaks need Flatpak installed. Both Flatpak and AppImage are bloaty compared to direct installs from a distros repos, but thats a trade off for their benefits (containerised, easily deployable across different distros etc).
Snap is proprietary particularly around snapd’s hardcoded dependence on Canonical servers despite being otherwise open source. So it’s not really been embraced by most distros outside the Ubuntu ecosystem, and even then there are Ubuntu derived distros that deliberately remove Snap. Snap does have its strengths in the server space (which Flatpak is not designed ofr), but Docker is the more popular system for this. Snap is still used “widely” in the sense that Ubuntu is widely used and Snap is its default, but outside that ecosystem Docker is much more extensively used (and probably on a lot of Ubuntu servers too). Snap in the desktop set up is also slower than Flatpak due to how it works, which adds to the perception they’re “worse”. Still Snap is convenient in the Ubuntu server space for deploying software.
Flatpak and AppImages aren’t going anywhere. Who knows with Snap; probably not going anywhere?
they can be if you visit AppImageHub and install the AppImageLauncher - doesn’t work for me though
I use AM/AppMan with a local install. So far, it’s been pretty good.
I like both flatpaks and appimages why does everything have to be a victory and defeat
Because it’s nice for devs to have a single package type to build per OS
Yeah, it’s called .deb
Well that’s not gonna work on rpm based distributions now is it
How is that my problem
How is that my problem
Well let’s break it down…
You thought:
Yeah, it’s called .deb
Was an acceptable response to:
Because it’s nice for devs to have a single package type to build per OS
Your problem was your stupidity.
But now your problem is everyone knowing about it.
Jesus fucking Christ, it’s like you had your sense of humor surgically removed.
Why can’t they do that already? Just choose whichever one you want it’s trivial for me to run whichever as a user
Just not snaps.
AppImage and flatpak are fine though
Correct
Whats wrong with snaps? My only “issue” with appimages is i tend to leave them in my downloads folder and lose them
The snap store is a shit show of security issues.
Forced migration to snaps.
Performance issues.
Proprietary back end.
Slow to install
Slow to start
Eat up RAM
Eat up disk space
They screw up access to devices.
They automatically update themselves without user confirmation.
Fuck snaps. Fuck Canonical.
snaps are essentially ubuntu-only
I have an ~/app directory for appimages
Ty for both
My issues with snaps are:
- The server software is closed source and centralized
- They create many block devices that can slow down booting the PC.
I didn’t realize, damn.
Recently I wanted to uninstall $thing. Couldn’t via the package manager. I had forgotten that it wasn’t a native package. So what was it? *scratches head* Flatpak, snap or Appimage? Aw damn, it’s an AppImage. Now where did I put the binary? *scratches head*.
I present to you: https://flathub.org/en-GB/apps/it.mijorus.gearlever
I think it’s really funny that it’s a flatpak used to manage AppImages
I know right?! ;)
In ~/Downloads/
The fluxer appimage will ‘install’ itself into /opt/ without your knowledge. I think because it’s essentially an electron package similar to stoat, standard notes and discord, large parts of it can self-update without needing to bump the actual package version, but this is really shitty behaviour considering what appimages are designed to do.
Uhh…should probably get yourself in order because that sounds like a you problem to be completely honest
Maybe you would like appimagelauncher. It allows you to define a directory for storing your appimages and you just put them in there and you can automatically launch it from the system menu as if they were installed apps. It also makes removing them easier, since they’re all in the same directory and you just remove them and the shortcuts get deleted as well
If you can run it, it shouldn’t be more than a couple of clicks to find it.
It’s not that big of a deal to package in both flatpak and appimage.
It goes a long way to simplicity from both a user and dev to have only one package type to deal with and distribute.
This completely. Speaking as a person who’s more tech skilled than 99% of non-programmers, i can tell you that installing apps is the main tech hurdle for Linux getting mainstream adoption.
There are non-tech hurdles too, but of the actual technology being easy to use then app installation is really the only aspect left that regular people can’t do without a huge dive of tech learning that’s beyond what most people can do.
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Installing on mac: click the Mac download button and follow the prompts.
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Installing on Windows: click the Windows download button and follow the prompts.
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Installing on Linux: there’s no Linux download button, there’s a couple of buttons that say words you’ve never heard of before. They look kinda like buttons to download an app. You click one and try to open it, but it just shows an error, etc etc etc
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I’d agree with that sentiment, but at least for me, if we went with all flatpacks, i’d be losing the one ability that I like about appimages, which is as a one-time-use type of “installation”. They’re kind of like those windows EXEs that you could just run in place without needing to install. very useful for stuff like raspberrypi imager where I don’t need to keep it around much
appimages also allow some sort of portable apps you can carry around. Very useful for dealing with no internet scenarios. I also use appimages for things iI use very rarely and don’t want to bother to have them being updated regularly along with the system
why does everything have to be a victory and defeat
there can only be one standard.
But what if it doesn’t cover my specific usecase?
Compile from source
Come on, you know if a dev doesn’t offer an appimage, someone is going to shit on them for it.
I just run every app in its own manjaro based distrobox.
I fucking love appimages. I dont have any issues with Flatpak. I just like appimages more and i can get them for almost all of my stuff. So idk if flatpaks won. But i also dont care.
I love flatpaks and your attitude
AppImages integrate better, but despite including roughly the same amount of overhead bullshit as a flatpak, have been less reliable for me overall. Flatpaks are too isolated, even when they’re supposedly installed properly.
What the fuck happened to distro packages? .rpm, .deb?
AppImages are great! It reminds me a lot of how software is packaged on MacOS and I think it hits that perfect trifecta of powerful, simple, and easy to use
yeah my use case is lift and shift so appimage is what I use.
On Linux I don’t really care who “wins” or loses" as we just have options.
The only 2 things I personally care about is which of the options have the most consistent and trustworthy developer, and which one is licensed or closest to being licensed under AGPL-3.0.
“Which xyz is better?” is the last of my concerns as my disgust for “proprietary”, AI-product/service, and NVIDIA knows no bounds.
All that being said;
I’m glad people love Flatpaks, app images still exist, and that people dump snaps like it’s the plague.My preference for flatpaks is based upon I can further lock out network access for those apps that I don’t want having network access. Just gives me another layer of network access prevention using flatseal. For the paranoid side of me :)
Have a couple apps can only use appimages, using with gear lever is just great & easy
Both work great though
There is still software that is only shipped through:
- Proprietary installer
- Snap
It would be great if they would move to Flatpak.
I like appimages and will use them over flatpak. I will use both, but I will never use snap.
