So, I just learned about this the very, very hard way. After buying a second hand S10 and finding american ones can’t be unlocked, traveling 4 hours to buy another one after much research, much annoyances to unlock it (samsung requires you to be online, which I didn’t know) and testing multiple ROMs, I finally read this page more properly https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/beyond1lte/ which says “known quirks: IMS”. I thought it was just something like dolby sound.
What it means is that it doesn’t suport VoLTE and most currently used phone systems. Samsung made their proprietary mess, unlike most other developers, which means it will probably never have an open source version.
And that applies to ALL modern samsung phones. I had samsung phone before with a custom OS, but didn’t realize because VoLTE wasn’t mandatory back then. Now it is here in Australia, and many countries. So if you ever plan to buy a samsung phone to degoogle it, know that it won’t make phone calls. SMS and mobile data also doesn’t work.
I don’t know how I missed this. It should be talked more often given how popular samsung is. There should always be a warning “YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO MAKE PHONE CALLS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU CONTINUE”.
S10 was the last decent phone ever made (for me). Not too big, SD card, headphone jack (one of the most important things for me), good camera, etc, etc… That’s why I was so persistent to find one to degoogle.
So I’m stuck with my amazingly shitty pixel 5 (and other ones are even worse for me). And considering the possibility of a life without smartphones at all, since this is a losing battle. Mainstream doesn’t care and evil companies have every incentive to kill freedom. It has been getting really bad and it will just get worse. But anyway… this post is not about this.
Be warned, if you care about freedom don’t ever buy samsung again. Not because they are evil (they are), but because you won’t be able to make phone calls on your “phone”.
It really is time for serious linux phones
I am seriously hoping to be able to ditch Android entirely for something like post-market OS, Linux, in the future. And we’ll be taking a look at what phones are supported when buying my next one.
It was so miserable I just gave up and bought a Fairphone. Much happier.
Sorry man, I feel for you.
In addition to this, anything on One UI 8 and above does not allow the bootloader to be unlocked, regardless of region. Fortunately, I had already rooted my S23 and have stayed on One UI 7 ever since.
I had a A53 5G which only outdated Android ROMs like TrebleDroid support.
New hosts/adblock/pihole/adguard filter/rule:
#GOOGLE=============================== 0.0.0.0 google.com 0.0.0.0 googleusercontent.com 0.0.0.0 googleapis.com 0.0.0.0 gstatic.com 0.0.0.0 android.com 0.0.0.0 google-analytics.com 0.0.0.0 googlehosted.com 0.0.0.0 googletagmanager.com 0.0.0.0 googleadservices.com 0.0.0.0 pki.googPhone now degoogled.
You don’t sign in to your phone, like straight lineage with no microg?
Do you use this yourself? I wonder how much stuff breaks if you use it.
Also YouTube URLs are conspicuously missing…
As someone that has a similar list but not exactly that… A lot. A lot of stuff breaks but! You don’t see ads in shitty mobile games anymore.
Another thing you find is how many links go through a google analytics or seems to be sponsored
Thanks for letting us know. I was thinking of getting a used Galaxy S9 or S10 for a degoogled Lineage OS phone. Now, it looks like the Pixels are the only modern phones that are compatible with this. That’s a pretty sad state of affairs, I’d say.
Motorola is coming in soon, fortunately
Who makes phe calls anyways nowadays?
But yes: The best phones for degoogling are the Google phones.
I call my wife everyday on my way home from work.
Also I have to make phone calls to get ahold of doctors and such
Please never reccomend google phones for de googling ever again
Get a used one if you don’t feel comfortable giving your money to Google (a good idea IMO)
And by buying used Google gear You increase the value of used market making them a better deal for people looking to buy new because they will keep in value more than other phones
Technically, the brands that offer already degoogled android (fairphone) or Linux directly (jolla) are better.
Ethically, yes.
Technologically, no. By magnitudes.
For security and privacy (by extension), Graphene is king.
For freedom, Graphene has some lacking things.
what are the fairphone and Jolla phones lacking?
GrapheneOS hardware requirements, for starters.
And how do you people talk to other people? Whatsapp? Apparently that’s how it is in brazil, even to call companies or support.
About the second line, “best” is being generous. I guess you mean better supported. Although for some very odd reason the internet seems to love pixels. While they are the worse phones I’ve used for the price after apple phones (for similar reasons).
But above all, the fact that other phones support for open source is even worse than google is why I’m considering to learn to live without smartphones. If we have to rely on google for our freedom and privacy, we are well and truly fucked. And we deserve to be if that’s the case.
Instead of whatsapp, I use signal. I explained to my friends that I moved to it. Some installed the app for me. Others didn’t. I accept that.
Pixels are “loved” because they can run grapheneos and others. Not because they’re technically superior phones.
They’re the opposite of fucking samsung. In that one single regard though.
Attach phone, click install, wait, google gone. All others are getting harder and harder to even root.
Have you dismissed Fairphone for some reason?
It’s very, very expensive for what it is. But I guess I just meant “mainstream” androids.
Going on alternative land there are options, like I used to have a phone with sailfishOS. But they will never have the adoption of mainstream phones, and it will probably be less and less with time as google tries to make people’s life harder. And that means they will never have the same finance and support.
It’s nice to support those companies, but like I said, I think it’s a lost battle and I probably should focus my energies on learning to not rely on smartphones. Then it doesn’t matter what feature apple or google remove, it won’t affect me.
I bought a fairphone 3 last year for £100 with e/os pre installed which works fine for me. I changed to the Lime booter for a better interface. It’s not very fast if you want to game & the speaker isn’t very good, but otherwise does all the basics I need or find handy asides from internet banking. Could be good if you want a basic smart phone for occasional use?
I vowed my Last Samsung phone would be A55 (or A56 if you also count my house hold)
Good on you! Let’s spread the word and help samsung die! (It won’t make any difference, but I want to pretend it will)
@guismo Thanks for sharing. Mate: just get yourself a (used) Pixel that is still supported like 7a or preferrably New er like 9a or 10. Chuck GrapheneOS on it and call it a day. Good luck
I have a pixel5 with Crdroid on it (I had graphene on it but I really really didn’t like it). Crdroid is awesome, makes this horrible phone much more tolerable.
All following pixels are even worse for me. Besides all the nonsense issues of pixel5 (no sd card, no headphone jack), they are all massive, while still being much worse then the competition. I really don’t understand how anyone except apple users like it. It’s almost as limited as an iphone.
Plus, I really don’t want to rely on google hardware, or anything at all. If that’s the best option, then even better is to learn to live without a smartphone.
