Also looking at your comment history and the modlogs, it looks like you like to deliberately push people’s buttons and troll. For example posting non-vegan recipes in vegan groups is making you look not credible.
As much as a nuisance db0 and their co-admins are, I am not gonna side with trolls either.
My trolling of Vegans is exclusively a response to Vegans demanding everyone surrender eggs and never eat meat on any occasion.
If you want to be vegan thats fine but if your idea of helping others make that choice is to insult them then fuck off.
Why do you think you can insult people without being insulted yourself?
That’s nice, deary
My trolling of Vegans is exclusively a response to Vegans demanding everyone surrender eggs and never eat meat on any occasion.
Dipshits being dipshits shouldn’t alter your moral compass. That’s “owning the libs” level discourse. You gotta leave that behind.
I find the more militant vegans to be annoying, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to troll them. They’re not worth the effort, and the end goal (less suffering, even if I don’t privilege animal suffering as equivalent to human suffering) aligns with mine. That they’re going about it in a potentially counterproductive way doesn’t mean I join the opposition.
That they’re going about it in a potentially counterproductive way doesn’t mean I join the opposition.
Okay this is getting a bit off-topic I guess but I get what you mean but the logic when taken to the extreme is silly and non-functional and creates more animal- and human suffering.
For one hunting as a way to control deer populations as controlling the population is a must since one of our ancestors went and replaced wolves hereabouts and bringing them back (I wouldn’t mind it) wouldn’t be as good population control and also not good for the wolves. Also also a deer suffers more when run down by a wolf than when one-shot killed by a rifle.
I support vegan products all the time and don’t really consume non-game meats if at all possible.
But like I said, offtopic. I agree with you that I wouldn’t go and troll the vegans, I do like arguing with them, as their ideology, while kinda naive, is at its core trying to help animals. And that I do too. So I just want to make them better at it and thus point out the flaws in their worldview. Not to mock them, to help them.
our ancestors went and replaced wolves … bringing them back … not good for the wolves
Umm yeah I’m going to stand firmly on the platform that wild populations that were devastated by human intervention benefit from the alleviation of that devastation.
“devastated by”?
Please do give an example. Humans have been the apex predator around these parts for literally thousands of years. We manage the deer. We don’t devastate it. If you threw in a pack of wolves, never even mind about the social effects of throwing them into what is now a population center has, the wolves don’t have an understanding of how many deer are supposed to be killed and how many aren’t.
I would love more wolves around my area, I’m not afraid of them at all. But it’s just not feasible anymore.
Might be hard for you to understand but not all human actions destroy nature.
devastated by"? Please do give an example
A good example of human intervention devastating a population when discussing the devastation of the wolf population would be humans devastating the wolf population. 🤷
The wolves aren’t a tool for managing deer populations. Sure they would help, but if deer population and vegetation is the concern then they’re part of the overall management strategy. Wolves prey on many animals.
No. Humans replaced wolves in these parts extremely slowly. So slowly in fact you can’t say the population was “devastated”. In roughly the same time for the population numbers to go from wildly plentiful to practically none, some of the wolves became dogs.
The wolves aren’t a tool for managing deer populations. Sure they would help, but if deer population and vegetation is the concern then they’re part of the overall management strategy. Wolves prey on many animals.
Yeah, obviously. Including domestic animals. Which is why the wolves have slowly disappeared as human populations have extended here.
But lots of vegans still make the argument that hunters only hunt for wanting to kill things, instead of any actually beneficial reason. Which is wildlife management, as overpopulation of deer would be devastating to the ecology.
Yet still you find vegans who moralise hunters while saying that we should just release packs of wolves into what are low-density population centers. I’m not too worried about them snatching kids or whatnot, but just the fact vegans do make the argument frequently is what gets me.
I spend my time arguing with Tankies, I’m not going to sit around on my high horse when there is work to be done digging trenches.
Besides, I shared a nice recipe with them, I didn’t insult their mothers.
I spend my time arguing with Tankies, I’m not going to sit around on my high horse when there is work to be done digging trenches.
I legitimately have no clue what that’s supposed to mean.
I am not above lowering myself
The only thing that accomplishes is you lowering yourself.
It would be like opposing gay marriage “for the lulz”
Either you have a legitimate moral stance on an issue, or you don’t. Playing the troll on an issue simply because other people annoy you means you don’t care about the issue.
Why would I ever oppose gay marriage? That’s just idiocy.
There are no objective legitimate moral stances, only better or worse.
If you want to stop animal suffering that’s fine just don’t insult people who support it
200iq take. Brb paying to watch some dog pit fights, it’s my way of life so you’re not allowed to comment on it.
For a hypothetical, if I were a dog fight frequenter then this comment would make me want to do more dogfighting, not less.
That’s your prerogative, but that doesn’t make people wrong for saying you’re a pos for doing it.
Online vegans are something else. As a former vegan, I replied to a thread asking “why people don’t just go vegan” with my personal experience: being vegan makes people more likely to disregard your advocacy for other causes, widespread meat reduction does more good than fringe meat elimination, wasting meat that’s going to go into the trash anyway feels ethically worse, etc.
The comment was quickly deleted and I was banned.
Yeah and honestly my comment with the recipe had a really great response from another user who retorted that producing eggs at large enough scale has so far required chick culling, a sort of unavoidable issue preventing eggs from being “slaughter free” until more of the industry is forced to adopt laser egg-sexing technology.
So it was leading to proper discussion that the Vegan moderators chose to shut down.
D’beezer sure has a lot of authoritarian tendencies for being The Anarchist Instance™️
It does, also on their matrix channels, but they ban you for calling it out, which is kinda ironic. I really liked that instance, but they kinda overshot it with Gaza n stuff. I migrated away eventually.
Mentioned it before, but no anarchist will leap to defend authoritarian states like dbzer0 regularly does.
With that lingo, db0 has already become a tankie or has encircled themself with tankies.
Not gonna lie… you do come off as an asshole so I could understand their reaction.
To be fair, tankies are the opposite of the MAGA crowd? So I’m not really sure what you were getting at.
Tankies support Trump with all their might.
Check the sidebar for a good descriptive term of what a Tankie is. It really boils down to supporters and actors in favor of the CCP and the USSR, authoritarian communists, people who side with the Tanks used against Hungary and Tienanmen.
China, explicitly Xi Jinping and the chinese state owned TikTok with servers centralized in Beijing, were clear supporters of Trump’s reelection campaign. They love that the USA is weakening, they love that ICE is kicking down people’s doors and dragging them into the night. The USA global trade war has put China in a better position than previously for exports and cheaper imports. They even love Israel’s genocide, China vetoed the only ceasefire resolution that the USA would agree to, with the release of hostages.
Russian and Chinese direct and overt support of Iran, who funded and armed the fighters in Gaza who attacked the music festival to reignite the war, and direct support of Syrian dictatorship, are just as atrocious as Republicans invading Iraq and Afghanistan. They’re all just enriching themselves off of an infinite proxy war.
The countless similarities between authoritarianism in China and the USA lead many to call the faux communist brand of authoritarianism as “Red Fascism”.
I haven’t seen tankies like you’re describing, which support the ICE raids and the genocide of Palestinians.
I have seen plenty of support of China and Russia, which I haven’t seen with MAGA supporters (well, sometimes you do see some Russian supporters among them).
If a ‘tankie’ is a supporter of China, Russia, ICE and Israel, then yeah, I can see where you’re coming from.
Might be a satire account but I think I found one in the wild: https://feddit.online/post/1455166/
Maybe I’m a bit naïve, but this does not read as support of ICE to me. More a “leopards are eating my face” moment. The point of the meme is to point out that the horrible things going on now with state-funded kidnappings is comparable to how the USA has acted in the past. To me, this reads as a trigger for Americans who ‘support the troops’ to do some self-reflection.
I can see how you read this as someone celebrating the punishment of American citizens for past American crimes. Of course, you and I know that makes no sense. The most responsible are not affected by the ICE raids, and ‘karmic justice’ doesn’t help anyone anyway. I just don’t think that was their intention.
Which tankies have YOU been hanging out with buddy ? Unless you are a MAGA psyop who want to sow discord amongst Fediverse people ?
Unless you are a MAGA psyop who want to sow discord amongst Fediverse people
Every single tankie I’ve had the displeasure of communicating with has wholeheartedly supported China and Russia and hated the U.S.
They have been ecstatically celebrating what they perceive to be the downfall of the United States.
Then you come stumbling in here like a drunk off a bender claiming this comment.
Fuck tankies, and if you’re a tankie, fuck you especially.
I’ve seen a few tankies with critical support of Trump from an accelerationist point of view.
I think most, if not all, tankies support Putin though.
True, tankies have a lot of bad takes, but being maga isn’t really among them
A friend of mine said ML friends of hers voted Trump, because “Kamala would have made the genocide in Palestine worse”.
I asked my friend why the hell she has ML friends in the first place.
What was your comment?
They’re all gone now, lol. Basically just argued with Tankies a bunch about what “Left” is, talked about how DNC have had 48 or less senators for over 13 years, what policies they’ve passed, what their explicit policy stances are.
Usually you can see removed comments in mod logs.
Edit: Looks like they instance banned + remove all posts.
The DNC aren’t better than the GOP
The DNC are not good. They are better than the GOP tho. I hate both of them. All of these things can be true.
Better in what salient ways?
Healthcare
Taxing the Rich
Not raping any children
LGBT+ Cabinet positions
The environment
Less Measles
Not raping any children
Etc
“Taxing the Rich”
Gavin Newsom would like to have a word.
Gavin Newsom is standing in the way of a DNC tax bill. Who did you think wrote it? Fairies?
https://lemmy.world/post/39740643
Get off your echo chambers. Read some news
That doesn’t dispute anything I just said lmfao
But doesn’t and has not had an impact on the past few decades….
Try again with your narrow ass ignorance…
Literally the same argument could be made for Republicans you dumb shitlib
Healthcare
~~Taxing the Rich ~~
~~Not raping any children ~~
LGBT+ Cabinet positions
The environmentLess Measles
Not raping any childrenEtcFTFY
These libs really think Dems give af about them. There are literal senators and reps voting to give ICE more funding. I don’t know when the delusion will end
ICE was given tens of billions of funding via republican reconciliation via the BBB, without a single DNC vote.
Now DHS has no funding currently because the DNC negotiated a government funding bill without it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ql_hWKAEUkE
Check again. Read the pinned comment as well. Your brain has been fried by decades of DNC propaganda
They literally are, just not by a significant enough margin that would matter.
I just don’t see the USA getting any progress at all unless the DNC sweep the next election.
Even if we think they, the DNC, are inadequate to represent everyone in this nation, third parties and independents are not a viable option unless we reform elections first (which can and should be done simultaneously). The most independent senators this nation had in a hundred years was like 2 years ago, 4 IND, and it just snapped right back to a GOP majority afterwards.
They’re the same party, one is just more rainbow coloured than the other. The DNC are fascist collaborators. They aren’t better in any meaningful way and their “reign” will just end up leading to republican leadership 4 or 8 years later
Why are you getting down voted? You are spot on with that comment 👍!
Because this comm is ultimately and unfortunately full of liberals. Comes at the cost of this being an anti-tankie comm which cascades into anti-socialism
lmao, the US-defaultism
This community isn’t full of liberals, it’s a diverse community filled with all sorts of people with different views. Some are liberals, some are US “liberals”, some are anarchists, communists, environmentalists and so on. Neither is this community anti-socialist, if anything, it’s pro-socialist.
but sure, blanket an entire community because five people disagree with you.
There’s heavy pro-DNC sentiment in here. If that doesn’t scream liberal to you, then i don’t know what will. Secondly, I’m not even an American, i made a comment specifically referencing the “DNC is better than GOP argument” hence the apparent “defaultism”.
Finally, yes it’s a diverse comm, i never disputed that fact, but your community is undeniably dominated by liberals who are by definition pro-capitalist and ipso facto anti-communist
If you’re not a yank, why are you using their definition of liberal? In the US, liberals don’t have any socialist policy, while liberals in the rest of the world all have social liberalism. Heavy pro-DNC sentiment? What? the 13 people who downvoted you? Most of whom aren’t even regulars in this community.
I’ve also never seen anyone in this community actually defend capitalism. Capital, in its current state, is falling apart and proving itself to be unsustainable. Find me anyone who’s defending capitalism, and I’ll challenge them on that.
