The OG struggle sessions invoked community justice. They did with the landlords what the community willed, particularly those who had previously been forced to serve them.
What will happen as a result of community vent sessions on “bad landlords”?
What will happen as a result of community vent sessions on “bad landlords”?
you kinda gotta get people together in a room talking about how shitty their landlords are if you want to get them to realize 1) they can do something 2) they should do something 3) they can organize to do that thing
I don’t think the landlords will be dealt with appropriately, but I think when you have the infrastructure to simply imprison them that’s much better than having them tortured or killed. It’s not really the best application of democratic principles to have what happens to a convicted person be decided by a group of their victims rather than have society broadly agree on standard procedures.
Obviously in Mao’s case with the land reform, he did not have such luxuries and relied on the victims of the landlords and other locals not because of some sort of moralizing logic but because managing such an overwhelmingly large project with frequently no infrastructure to facilitate coordination beyond dirt roads is unwieldy unless you just leave it up to the peasants to basically do as they will.
If we imagined that Zohran was a Marxist and had control of the police, the thing to do certainly involves mass arrests of landlords. This action is useful regardless because it’s not just about the landlords who get criticized (though them having their reputation publicly destroyed is a plus), but about using these stories as the basis for getting support for policies to prevent many common abuses and broadcasting quite loudly how past administrations allowed them to get away with such things and never bothered to ask people to publicly share their experiences like we see here, and how administrations in other cities are continuing to ignore such problems.
Ziohran Mossadani is bootlicking slime who does apologia for cops, but I think we should regard this campaign as potentially a good thing, though of course it depends on how Zohran and company actually administrates the campaign, since he certainly has shown himself as ready to squander potential for careerist reasons.
If we imagined that Zohran was a Marxist and had control of the police, the thing to do certainly involves mass arrests of landlords. This action is useful regardless because it’s not just about the landlords who get criticized (though them having their reputation publicly destroyed is a plus), but about using these stories as the basis for getting support for policies to prevent many common abuses and broadcasting quite loudly how past administrations allowed them to get away with such things and never bothered to ask people to publicly share their experiences like we see here, and how administrations in other cities are continuing to ignore such problems.
that “and” is very important. He’d need to do some serious purging to actually have control of the NYPD
Absolutely. There’s no way he tries and if he did he’d probably be shot, but without that there’s not much he could do for using his office directly for radical change.
For the govt it can’t just be about finding out who the most bad Ls are because that info is already easily available to them. A vent session can be helpful, but only if the proper follow up is planned.
In my most optimistic imagination they will be forums to strike committees that each have a municipal staffer assigned to them to report back to the mayor. Something like a neighborhood police liaison committee or whatever its called. Probably there would be a bunch of DSA people already planning in each zone. These areas are pretty large so should be broken up into smaller committees according to target L or geography.
If I was living in one of these neighborhoods I’d be inclined to attend for the cruising alone.
The OG struggle sessions invoked community justice. They did with the landlords what the community willed, particularly those who had previously been forced to serve them.
What will happen as a result of community vent sessions on “bad landlords”?
you kinda gotta get people together in a room talking about how shitty their landlords are if you want to get them to realize 1) they can do something 2) they should do something 3) they can organize to do that thing
I don’t think the landlords will be dealt with appropriately, but I think when you have the infrastructure to simply imprison them that’s much better than having them tortured or killed. It’s not really the best application of democratic principles to have what happens to a convicted person be decided by a group of their victims rather than have society broadly agree on standard procedures.
Obviously in Mao’s case with the land reform, he did not have such luxuries and relied on the victims of the landlords and other locals not because of some sort of moralizing logic but because managing such an overwhelmingly large project with frequently no infrastructure to facilitate coordination beyond dirt roads is unwieldy unless you just leave it up to the peasants to basically do as they will.
If we imagined that Zohran was a Marxist and had control of the police, the thing to do certainly involves mass arrests of landlords. This action is useful regardless because it’s not just about the landlords who get criticized (though them having their reputation publicly destroyed is a plus), but about using these stories as the basis for getting support for policies to prevent many common abuses and broadcasting quite loudly how past administrations allowed them to get away with such things and never bothered to ask people to publicly share their experiences like we see here, and how administrations in other cities are continuing to ignore such problems.
Ziohran Mossadani is bootlicking slime who does apologia for cops, but I think we should regard this campaign as potentially a good thing, though of course it depends on how Zohran and company actually administrates the campaign, since he certainly has shown himself as ready to squander potential for careerist reasons.
that “and” is very important. He’d need to do some serious purging to actually have control of the NYPD
Absolutely. There’s no way he tries and if he did he’d probably be shot, but without that there’s not much he could do for using his office directly for radical change.
I bet they go after a family member first.
For the govt it can’t just be about finding out who the most bad Ls are because that info is already easily available to them. A vent session can be helpful, but only if the proper follow up is planned.
In my most optimistic imagination they will be forums to strike committees that each have a municipal staffer assigned to them to report back to the mayor. Something like a neighborhood police liaison committee or whatever its called. Probably there would be a bunch of DSA people already planning in each zone. These areas are pretty large so should be broken up into smaller committees according to target L or geography.
If I was living in one of these neighborhoods I’d be inclined to attend for the cruising alone.
Luigi?