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With apologies to y’all for opportunistically using this post -
Does anyone have a link to a collected set of videos of Good’s murder? Either just for viewing, or download? I finally have an opening with someone in my life to help them peer behind the propaganda veil, could be a turning point for them, they’ve signaled openness. Need full length, no distraction, multi angle footage for greatest effect.
I saw a link to something similar posted a few days ago (zero recollection where) and have been trying to find it.
I’d ask in my own instance (and maybe still will) but frankly I came here first cuz y’all have been considerably less…“messy”? for a while now.
People in the news megathread probably have a link to a collection of videos and images of Good’s murder
Thanks very much!
Another View of Tiananmen | Redsails (Sun Feiyang, Roderic Day)
This article’s great because it’s aimed at people that probably are already vaguely familiar with the narrative of there being a massacre being BS but shows a lot more information that will be interesting to leftists who want to learn more about China and Reform and Opening Up era.
all states are class dictatorships, the important part is what class
Rogue
all paladins are bastards.
I dunno, Oath of Vengeance seems pretty badass
We need more druid states tbh
One of them was taken before
One of them was taken after
What’s your point?
You can literally watch the full fucking video of him stopping the tank, confronting the driver, and then leaving, you stupid fucker
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
No, tank man didn’t get murdered. He climbed on top of the tank and then got talked down by a bystander.
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Okay, at least you’re not saying the exact same thing. But what specific group of students are you talking about?
I think there’s a picture out there of a street around Tiananmen Square from June 4 or 5 1989 with a bunch of bicycles on the ground. Sometimes it gets posted with a caption alluding to a massacre having taken place in the picture. No dead bodies are visible in the picture. Is that the specific thing you’re referring to? Or is there something else?
Edit: do you have a source for those pics?
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Why say this when you could scroll for half a second and see the other guy saying the same thing getting dogpiled?
I’m not allowed to criticize the Chinese government because the online fam club will down vote me? Do you realize how pathetic you sound?
Fuck murder and those who enable it.
Fuck murder
a brave stance
My point is that you’re saying that he was executed and the guy before you said the same thing. All the reasons why that’s a silly thing to say have been laid out. If you had come here and shown us some evidence or some reason to agree with you and got dogpiled, that would be heroic. But it seems more like you’re now the second person to insist that something that happened in your head is something we ought to consider as if it was a historical fact.
Wrong
Both of them were.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
smartest liberal
You got any sources to ground that assertion in reality, or are you completely full of shit?
Have you seen the full tank man video?
1 second after the video ends, the person in the tank changes their mind and drives back to the square to unleash unlimited genocide on all the bicycles.
Yes. Do you know what happened after that video?
The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie. | Mango Press
not that I think you’ll read it or even click on it, it’s for other people who read this thread
I actually did click on it and start reading it, because this has been the most decent response in the thread so far (despite the condescension - the bar is pretty low, to be fair). The loaded language was already quite something. And I tried to find more information on the source. Well, the website doesn’t exist anymore and I’m hard pressed to find any reliable information about it. So… Maybe not the most reliable source.
Buddy, you don’t get to say things like “despite the condescension” when you came in here suggesting that we should take a fantasy you made up in your head seriously as if that was a matter of historical record.
And it’s not like you deserve it, but here’s an essay from a Chinese scholar and a Canadian-Peruvian Marxist synthesizing together a few dozen first hand accounts and historical documents/articles about the event.
loaded language
bourgeois media is filled with loaded language but it doesn’t register to you because of your chauvinism
this piece in the Columbia Journalism Review by a western journalist who was there still has some of the liberal brainworms but solidly shows that the conventional narrative is bullshit:
The Myth of Tiananmen | Columbia Journalism Review
The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.
I look forward to hearing how a primary witness writing in CJR is unreliable
Most of the hundreds of foreign journalists that night, including me, were in other parts of the city or were removed from the square so that they could not witness the final chapter of the student story.
Right, all the media was ushered out so that they couldn’t see the peaceful ending. Seems legit. But OK, let’s assume it’s the case. Whatever.
Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances. […] Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city
What are workers and passersby? Right, civilians.
whatever it takes for you to hide in your chauvinist fantasyI’m struggling to see what revelation you’ve identified here that is so scandalous. Yes, the Chinese government killed several hundred Chinese civilians surrounding the Tiananmen Square in the 1989 protests. Has anyone claimed otherwise?
Your original claim was that the man pictured in the OP in front of the tanks was executed. That claims remains as baseless as China overseas.
Siri, how many American civilians are killed by cops each year?
And what was the reliable source where you got your current belief?
That was not the most decent answer, and you are a liar. Someone asked you why you believed he was killed, and you ignored it. Because you know the answer isn’t a good one.
the piece links all of its sources
Not exactly , and nor do you, but there’s no reason to think he would be allowed to berate a tank commander for iirc ~15 minutes including climbing up on the tank, then be secretly killed later. You believe the CPC had no problem killing however many people openly in the streets, in front of foreign diplomats and journalists, but this one dude had to be spirited away and secretly murdered? Please use a little common sense. I’m guessing you believe there were thousands killed in the protests. I’ll allow that, it’s hard to tell exactly what happened in Beijing over 30 years ago. You also believe I assume that those were peaceful protestors killed in cold blood. I don’t know if you realise this but the events were documented by non-chinese sources including the Belgian ambassador to China - and the government knew that was going on at the time. What makes you think they suddenly became so squeamish around this one guy? Far more likely it’s exactly what it looks like - he was led away by neighbours and the government just let sleeping dogs lie. There’s nothing to be gained from going after him and no evidence that it happened.
I’m guessing you believe there were thousands killed in the protests. I’ll allow that, it’s hard to tell exactly what happened in Beijing over 30 years ago.
I wouldn’t go that far. No contemporary sources claim thousands were killed and it’s hard to see how that’s possible. The actual sources that were present at the time are consistent with the official claims of several hundred dead but no more than 1000.
Even in the Gwangju Uprising only 165 people were massacred, and that was a proper contemporaneous massacre (as opposed to the skirmishes around Tiananmen Square in June 1989 where the protesters were firing back).
Yeah, I’m being generous to the liberal.
Don’t be, liberals demand you “meet them halfway” but that never actually helps educate them, it only makes your position look more flimsy. Stick to the facts, never concede a fact to them, make sure they understand that reality is not multiple choice.
No one knows.
You simply have a fantasy that aligns with how you see the world - have declared that to be the absolute truth - and hold that anyone who doesn’t also indulge in same fantasy for the same reason must be the enemy; pure evil. What a whimsical way for the human mind to work.
It’s absolutely wild that I’ve seen 2 other struggle sessions over the past few days where people keep insisting he was run over or executed when presented with evidence to the contrary.
I just read some of the comments in the first thread you linked and whew. It’s just thoughtless lib regurgitation countered by pages of material analysis which elicit no response or the most milquetoast “interesting!” from people who will clearly never click a single resource linked
All I can say is, infinite flowers for the comrades posting on the frontlines of the war on brainworms
This particular exchange will live in my head rent free forever.
Presents basic argument
Receives basic response justified by very simple theory
Goes on rant about how the concept of even having political theory at all is bad and limits your perspective
Academics hate this one simple trick to never having to read anything: have you considered that thinking about things ahead of time and writing down your observations is tyranny?
Why do these people always have the same insufferable tone of “I refuse to engage with your arguments, not because I don’t understand them or don’t have anything meaningful to respond with, but because I am at a higher level of evolution than you simpletons. Having no opinions is the ultimate proof of intellectual rigour” grhshahhshd
We were taught in school that the video ended with the guy standing there and that no other footage made it out of the evil dictatorship.
I only more recently learned the video goes on for some time
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Look I already replied but it would mean a lot to me if you could explain what the point of leaving these 2 comments was. Are you trying to convince anyone by saying what you imagined happened with literally 0 evidence? Are you just performing something where you get to interact with people and contradict them just to feel smarter? Like what was the plan here?
The man stoped the tanks and told them to go arrest the CIA backed protestors
You certainly don’t but you heard rumors that still confirm whatever bias you wanted to keep from before you knew a video was “hiding in plain sight.”
I don’t even think rumors had to be involved here. Projection is so strong they may have actually convinced themselves that they’ve seen footage of the guy getting killed. I literally was talking with someone who claimed they saw the guy get run over IN REAL TIME just 2 weeks ago.
Mr. Deng and President Xi were in the closet making atrocities and I saw one of the atrocities and the atrocity looked at me.
I was there on the sidewalk when they ran over Tank Man. I spoke to him, he was flat like a pancake. I asked him what he wanted the world to know. He said, “I hate hexbear!” Then a PLA soldier came by with a spatula and carried him away.
By god. That’s horrible. How big was the spatula? Did the Chinese steal Stalin’s spoon technology, as they do all other technology, which they never innovate on, and make for really cheap?
Do you have the blueprints for the time machine you used to go back to 1989 and stalk tank man and find out what happened? Why have you not shared this technology with the rest of the world?
Tank Man was hauled off (by either fellow civilians or plain-clothes cops, we’ll never know), and the tanks drove home.
The violence was the day before.
I think they’re suggesting that the government then extrajudicially executed the tank man.
One would wonder what the government would stand to gain from killing a nameless man who stood in front of some tanks, delaying them for a few seconds. Wanted to stop him from standing in front of more tanks?
One would wonder what the government would stand to gain from killing a nameless man who stood in front of some tanks, delaying them for a few seconds.
Going to stop you right there. They did it because they needed a moment of individual brutality that makes the audience feel bad for the people the villains are oppressing, so it is satisfying when the heroes go in and stop the evil dictatorship at the end of the movie. I would’ve preferred if they showed a scene with tank man’s loving family before he was brutally killed to inspire the good guys, but they probably had to leave that on the cutting room floor so the overall flow of the scene worked better.
I think it’s easy to get to that conclusion if you only have the image to go by and haven’t researched more into what happened.
Good on china if they were lenient on the guy.
They acknowledged that the video shows the guy was able to leave unharmed.
I think she started HRT.
Why do you think tank man was killed?
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