With the recent decisions made by the supreme court, is the United states unsafe enough to trans people for us seek asylum elsewhere? I think these decisions are the government officially saying they do not acknowledge us for who we are. Is it time to start looking to seek asylum?
And it is easier for Americans than anyone else in the world. If you weren’t all obsessed with moving to Europe you’d get it. I mean, China only looks at conviction data, Europe bars you for getting arrested like once lmao
this isn’t true, being American does not grant you indefinite legal right to live in other countries - you have to find some way to be sponsored and have a visa that gives you a legal basis
being able to visit a country for a short period of time as a tourist is not the same as being able to legally stay longer, get a job, secure housing, etc.
I think you guys may not understand how powerful the U.S. passport is relative to other countries. In my initial comment, I did say visa instead of passport, but that was just a slip of a tongue on dictation. There’s no reason to try for asylum in those cases. You will not have a very hard time finding a visa in another country. Assuming we’re not trying to get into Turkmenistan, which I don’t think you are. I think you’re just projecting a immigration situation you’re used to elsewhere
the American passport allows for easy initial entry, but doesn’t guarantee permanent residence, asylum cases are to permit people to stay legally in the country longer than the (short) initial period allowed for tourism …
Most important leverage is in the form of the skills and $$$ you have, yes, the difference is you’re not trying to be retiree expats or anything gross like that, so you need a country that has strong labor protections bc you don’t want any kids you have to suffer, which doesn’t necessarily imply full Estonian “fork over cash for instant citizenship w our irrelevant geopolitical pawn country” treatment lol. Americans have an easier time than anyone else with this, don’t wait for asylum. Shit, a lot of the nerds on here could probably land a Russian gold visa in a snap lol. Though for obvious “family values” reasons it’s outside the scope of this community discussion! I mean the best option is like right there im just gatekeeping it want to see who recommends it of their own volition.
I mean can we establish, from the basics we agree on here, that easy access to a country & diplomatic relations makes it easier to do student programs or look for work in order to seek long term solutions, so what is the quibble anyways
> making false claims that Americans can go anywhere and stay
> thinking trans people would be seeking asylum in Russia
> account is new
you sure you’re not some kind of bot?
reading is not your strong suit, I see. you ignored my clarification, and “family values” overtly refers to the bigoted laws. missing that kind of basic meaning in my words is what a bot would actually do, not make (apparently unwarranted) assumptions about the ability of the reader to understand it. Russia was pointed out because you can literally just throw money at them, and it’s something affluent nerds would never do because of their nationalism. if you’re going to be so rude I’m going to block you
something tells me, having already done it, I am more serious about getting out of the USA than you, someone who is moaning abt needing “asylum” to do it. hurry up, the financial system is rigged to collapse within years. Im too tired to explain the rest but i tried to politely explain you’re shooting yourself in the foot by not already leaving, and nobody is giving stupid americans asylum because they elected someone like Bush again
I’m sorry, I meant my comment mostly in jest (and somewhat bewilderment), I didn’t mean to come across as rude 🤐
If your point is that Americans are in a stronger position to enter a foreign country and stay there by various means like getting sponsored by an employer or on a student visa, that seems clear enough - that’s true even if just on the basis that Americans tend to have more money, assets in US dollars, and potentially better opportunities to get sought-after education in the U.S. that would make them skilled laborers in other parts of the world.
My point was just to clarify that getting that legal basis of staying in the foreign country (which is the point of the asylum claim) is not trivial even if it is easier for Americans relative to other nationalities. There are trans people in detention camps in Europe because they declared asylum and are being prepared for deportation back to the U.S. - not everyone is a skilled laborer or eligible to be a student (let alone successful in pursuing those opportunities).
And most of the trans population does not have passports, let alone the financial means to leave the country. Fleeing the country is a solution for a privileged minority. Most of us can’t even leave the oppressive states we live in and move to more progressive states with laws that protect trans folks.
Also, the U.S. is still one of the best places in the world to be trans - we have better access to trans healthcare and rights than most of the rest of the world, and even the rest of the West. The situation is deteriorating (as it is in most of the rest of the world), but they did not even succeed in passing a trans athlete ban through Congress, let alone criminalization of being trans or revocation of care. Nothing like the laws that were on the books in the 1970s that outright banned “cross-dressing” have been passed or enforced.
China would be an attractive choice if it wasn’t for their disappointing policies regarding trans people
Somehow you made up a Chinese social issue even faker than the Uyghur genocide. I am impressed. You should research violence against minorities in China. Your own country is more dangerous. The preoccupation that marginalized groups in the west have with promoting the politics of their oppressors is deeply embarrassing. Every trans person online is basically an Uncle Tom for a democratic party that hates them
China does not allow or recognize same-sex marriages, are jailing gay women for writing erotica online, trans people have to have bottom surgery before they are permitted to update official documents, trans women are forced to notify their family and prove they have no criminal record before being allowed access to HRT, and in 2022 China passed a law preventing buying estrogen or anti-androgens online even with a prescription.
This is all much worse than in the US where most states allow you to update your gender marker on official documents without surgery, HRT can be obtained on the basis of informed consent (and without requirements of disclosing to family or having no criminal record), and LGBT+ people are not being jailed for writing erotica …
The U.S. is indeed dangerous, and you are probably in greater danger of being a victim of stochastic violence in the U.S. than in China, but that is not the only thing that people look at when deciding if a country has better or worse laws, rights, or conditions for LGBT+ people.
edit: btw this isn’t a theoretical problem for me, if China recognized same-sex marriage and had sufficient trans healthcare, I would probably be in China right now - I can’t take refuge there because their laws are anti-LGBT+ and would not permit me a spousal visa to stay in the country because I’m a woman married to a woman.