They did make it clear by fighting against the western backed regime for the past 8 years. Anybody with even a minimally functioning brain would understand that people wouldn’t be fighting to the death if they had the option to just vote and leave.
Your logic reminds me of the logic employed by far-right Israelis. They point out that Hamas is fighting Israel, and then they assume that all Gazan civilians support Hamas. They use this to say it’s okay for Israel to drop bombs on Gazan civilians. Likewise you assume that all Donbas civilians support pro-Russia militants.
Anyone with an actual brain would realise that the only way you can truly measure opinion in the Donbas would be with a fair and free referendum.
I don’t assume, I literally linked you a lecture from an esteemed US professor explaining that vast majority of people in Donbas are Russian by nationality and support Russia. The analogy is inverted from what you’re claiming. People of Donbas are the Palestinians in this scenario being oppressed by a fascist regime.
The western backed regime literally will not allow having a fair and free referendum, if they did then people wouldn’t have risen up against it in 2008. Your argument utterly devoid of logic. I guess that’s par for the course for being a fascist.
Go read up some actual history of how Ukraine was cobbled together before spewing nonsense and embarrassing yourself further.
The only way we can find that out would be with a free and fair referendum. You instead believe in Russia’s imperialist invasion of the region, because you’re a far-right fascist. I’m not even joking. It’s crazy that you say the exact same things that a far-right Russian nationalist says.
What part of the regime in Ukraine is now allowing referendum are you still struggling with? Why do you think people of Donbas have been fighting since 2008, for fun? You think if they just chose to fight if they had the option of a referendum?
You’re literally supporting a fascist regime that has been committing atrocities against its own people, and without a hint of irony keep calling me a fascist. I love how you keep trying to deflect from reality by sceeching about some Russian talking points. The reality is that you just want people to keep dying.
Still waiting for you to explain why Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2008. It’s incredible how you keep avoiding with the elephant in the room. People don’t take up arms against the government when their democratic rights are respected.
Meanwhile, here’s some CNN reporting for you
But Putin undoubtedly has reaped the rewards of a political landscape tilted dramatically in his favor. The Levada Center, a non-governmental polling organization, consistently reports Putin’s approval rating at over 80% – an eye-popping figure virtually unknown among Western politicians, and a substantial increase on the three-year period before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Apparently Putin denied for a long time that any Russian forces were fighting in eastern Ukraine, trying to split eastern Ukraine from the rest of Ukraine, but then in 2015 Putin admitted that some Russians were in eastern Ukraine “dealing with certain tasks, including in the military sphere”. This was after two members of Russian special forces were captured in eastern Ukraine.
Remember of course that Russia has a history of doing covert things and denying those things. They poisoned Alexander Litvinenko in 2006, they poisoned Sergei Skripal in 2018, they poisoned Alexei Navalny in 2020, yet they denied doing all those things. What I’m getting at is that Russia is probably doing lots of things that we’re not even aware of. They were probably employing every underhanded tactic they could in order to split the Donbas from Ukraine.
But Putin undoubtedly has reaped the rewards of a political landscape tilted dramatically in his favor
Of course the political landscape is tilted in his favour. Alexei Navalny was a prominent opposition politician and look what happened - the Russian state poisoned him in 2020. Boris Nadezhdin tried to be an opposition candidate in last year’s Russian presidential election, and he wanted Russia to end its invasion of Ukraine. Surprise surprise, reasons were found to disqualify Boris from standing in the election.
The Levada Center, a non-governmental polling organization, consistently reports Putin’s approval rating at over 80%
Not surprising in any way, given that expressing political dissent in Russia will get you arrested, or poisoned, or killed (Navalny was poisoned, Litvinenko was killed). There are probably many Russians who would like a different president to Putin, but they know that if they express their views, they may well be punished.
The discussion isn’t about Putin. The discussion is about whether people living in Donbas want to be part of Ukraine or not. The fact that you continue deflecting from that exposes utter lack of intellectual integrity on your part.
Not surprising in any way, given that expressing political dissent in Russia will get you arrested, or poisoned, or killed (Navalny was poisoned, Litvinenko was killed). There are probably many Russians who would like a different president to Putin, but they know that if they express their views, they may well be punished.
It’s funny how trolls like you just memorize a handful of talking points and all you know how to do is to regurgitate them. I guess if you had capacity for critical thinking you wouldn’t be supporting fascism.
They did make it clear by fighting against the western backed regime for the past 8 years. Anybody with even a minimally functioning brain would understand that people wouldn’t be fighting to the death if they had the option to just vote and leave.
Your logic reminds me of the logic employed by far-right Israelis. They point out that Hamas is fighting Israel, and then they assume that all Gazan civilians support Hamas. They use this to say it’s okay for Israel to drop bombs on Gazan civilians. Likewise you assume that all Donbas civilians support pro-Russia militants.
Anyone with an actual brain would realise that the only way you can truly measure opinion in the Donbas would be with a fair and free referendum.
I don’t assume, I literally linked you a lecture from an esteemed US professor explaining that vast majority of people in Donbas are Russian by nationality and support Russia. The analogy is inverted from what you’re claiming. People of Donbas are the Palestinians in this scenario being oppressed by a fascist regime.
The western backed regime literally will not allow having a fair and free referendum, if they did then people wouldn’t have risen up against it in 2008. Your argument utterly devoid of logic. I guess that’s par for the course for being a fascist.
Go read up some actual history of how Ukraine was cobbled together before spewing nonsense and embarrassing yourself further.
The only way we can find that out would be with a free and fair referendum. You instead believe in Russia’s imperialist invasion of the region, because you’re a far-right fascist. I’m not even joking. It’s crazy that you say the exact same things that a far-right Russian nationalist says.
What part of the regime in Ukraine is now allowing referendum are you still struggling with? Why do you think people of Donbas have been fighting since 2008, for fun? You think if they just chose to fight if they had the option of a referendum?
You’re literally supporting a fascist regime that has been committing atrocities against its own people, and without a hint of irony keep calling me a fascist. I love how you keep trying to deflect from reality by sceeching about some Russian talking points. The reality is that you just want people to keep dying.
I think I’ll look at some assessments of democracy in Ukraine and Russia which are a bit more objective:
Ukraine:
Russia:
Still waiting for you to explain why Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2008. It’s incredible how you keep avoiding with the elephant in the room. People don’t take up arms against the government when their democratic rights are respected.
Meanwhile, here’s some CNN reporting for you
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/14/europe/putin-russia-election-explainer-update-intl/index.html
Apparently Putin denied for a long time that any Russian forces were fighting in eastern Ukraine, trying to split eastern Ukraine from the rest of Ukraine, but then in 2015 Putin admitted that some Russians were in eastern Ukraine “dealing with certain tasks, including in the military sphere”. This was after two members of Russian special forces were captured in eastern Ukraine.
Remember of course that Russia has a history of doing covert things and denying those things. They poisoned Alexander Litvinenko in 2006, they poisoned Sergei Skripal in 2018, they poisoned Alexei Navalny in 2020, yet they denied doing all those things. What I’m getting at is that Russia is probably doing lots of things that we’re not even aware of. They were probably employing every underhanded tactic they could in order to split the Donbas from Ukraine.
Of course the political landscape is tilted in his favour. Alexei Navalny was a prominent opposition politician and look what happened - the Russian state poisoned him in 2020. Boris Nadezhdin tried to be an opposition candidate in last year’s Russian presidential election, and he wanted Russia to end its invasion of Ukraine. Surprise surprise, reasons were found to disqualify Boris from standing in the election.
Not surprising in any way, given that expressing political dissent in Russia will get you arrested, or poisoned, or killed (Navalny was poisoned, Litvinenko was killed). There are probably many Russians who would like a different president to Putin, but they know that if they express their views, they may well be punished.
The discussion isn’t about Putin. The discussion is about whether people living in Donbas want to be part of Ukraine or not. The fact that you continue deflecting from that exposes utter lack of intellectual integrity on your part.
Meanwhile, Ukraine has banned all opposition parties and independent media. Again, a fact that’s widely reported by western media. https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/1110577439/zelenskyy-has-consolidated-ukraines-tv-outlets-and-dissolved-rival-political-par
It’s funny how trolls like you just memorize a handful of talking points and all you know how to do is to regurgitate them. I guess if you had capacity for critical thinking you wouldn’t be supporting fascism.