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Why the Hell Does Android Even Exist Anymore?

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      Dumb phones are even worse than Androids in terms of security and privacy. Either use GrapheneOS, or VOIP on a Linux computer.

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    This is the lifecycle of so much software. Particularly chat programs spring to mind, old chat program becomes bloated and horrible to use, new chat program is focused, streamlined, does its job as a chat program and maintains the most important part - convenience - as priority.

    Fast forward and the program has become bloated. Its purpose for existing has been forgotten.

    New chat program appears and displaces it by being everything that it used to be.

    That time is coming for Android. With its original purpose now no longer being filled there is a gap open, all it takes is something to successfully fill it while maintaining convenience as a priority.

    • ∞ 🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, ze/hir, des/pair, none/use name, undecided]@hexbear.net
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      lea-think Hang on, this reminds me of something.

      “All nature,” says Engels, “from the smallest thing to the biggest, from grains of sand to suns, from protista (the primary living cells — J. St.) to man, has its existence in eternal coming into being and going out of being, in a ceaseless flux, in unresting motion and change.”

      • alexei_1917 [mirror/your pronouns]@hexbear.net
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        So basically, enshittification is dialectical. Fascinating.

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        Wait no thats not what protista is, right? Like that doesnt seem true.
        Protista is a specific thing in 19th century biology and today and it is not “the primary living cell”. Its a type of eukaryote that is neither plant, fungus or animal. It is a sort of genetic midpoint with ill defined borders. When Engels wrote this it was even more nebolously defined with various competing definitions, but I believe the most common was something akin to “something that is alive and isnt a plant or an animal”.

        He’s basically saying from tiny insiginificant lifeforms to humans.

        • ∞ 🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, ze/hir, des/pair, none/use name, undecided]@hexbear.net
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          Idk, you’re the doctor or something, tell Stalin that he was wrong.

          • Keld [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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            I would but stalin wont answer my calls.

            • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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              Dear Stalin, I wrote you, but you still ain’t callin’
              I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom

          • alexei_1917 [mirror/your pronouns]@hexbear.net
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            That seems like a dangerous proposition.

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      You have to appreciate the way google does it. Where they introduce an app, make it shitty, and then make their own replacement app that is slightly worse than the thing it is replacing used to be.

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    Pretending that sideloading itself is the threat is like saying cars should be banned because someone, somewhere might drive drunk. It’s bullshit.

    But cars should be banned because people everywhere are constantly driving drunk

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      Cars should be banned cause public transportation should be the norm

      • Moidialectica [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        🥺

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    One aspect that goes underemphasized here is ad-free better versions of apps. Things like Newpipe that make YouTube work in a more user friendly way.

    Securing devices against their own users has been a goal of tech companies for a while and the companies do currently seem to be winning.

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    It won’t exist for much longer.

    Once Fuchsia becomes a fully operational mobile OS Google will dissolve the AOSP permanently.

    The last remnants of the GPL will be swept away.

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      Tbh it seems like Fuchsia hasn’t gone too far in replacing Android after that time they layed-off a big chunk of the team.

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    Question: how exactly is this gonna be rolled out? Like, if I have some ancient Android 5 device sitting in a drawer and I connect it to the internet, will it immediately lock itself down if it has Play Services installed?

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    This will be definitely be used to ban stuff like Youtube ReVanced, and ICE Block and enforce EU chat control client side surveillance.

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    What’s keeping me from using Shuziku to use root APIs to install apps?

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      Could you point me to where I can learn what these words mean? It sounds like something I’d like to try

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        In addition to what the king said just to clarify some of the terms: root can basically be thought of as the Linux equivalent of a Windows Administrator: a user with the highest privileges, an out of the box android distro from a major manufacture will block access to this to prevent you using your own device however you want

        APIs are application program interfaces, you can think of them as software libraries full of useful functions and data structures for interacting with other software and data, examples are those used to interact with web platforms programtically(i.e bots such as the Amber one on here, use the lemmy API to read and make comments)

        To learn more there’s plenty of tutorials and such that can be found with a simple search, but if you want to gain a deeper knowledge the best thing I’d say is to mess around with running linux to learn about root

        Or for APIs learning to code and you’ll also pick up other associated knowledge and skills

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          Amber.

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        Shizuku is an app that lets you use root functionality on an OEM locked phone, the GitHub is probably a good place: https://github.com/RikkaApps/Shizuku

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          Thanks for the link. This sounds useful

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    If you only have one phone it’s been time to switch away from android for years now.

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      What other OS even is there? I’m not going to apple

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        I use /e/OS on a fairphone. It’s OK.

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          That’s literally android

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        Chinese Android

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          Still android

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          technically already have one but it’s from a billion years ago

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        You don’t have any serious options in that case.

        You could always decide you’re smart enough to figure your own security and privacy out and use graphene but as a user of graphene I don’t recommend it for the uninitiated or for the very skilled and knowledgeable.

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          I don’t recommend it for the uninitiated or for the very skilled and knowledgeable.

          Typo? or are you saying Graphene is only suitable for a narrow band of intermediate users

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            Nope, I don’t recommend it’s use to anyone. A person who doesn’t understand can at best gain a false sense of security and a person who does (which I will not falsely represent myself to be) will gain an understanding of smartphone technology that causes them to either curtail their smartphone use overall or give up.

            It’s phenomenal and eye opening learning experience though.

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            They’re saying they dont recommend it to anyone.

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                I think to be deprecatory about their choice. Or while acknowledging it has use they still wouldnt recommend it. I have a ton of apps I have used/continue to use that I would never recommend to people. (Dont use anything made by elsevier, they are the devil)

                All the technical stuff is beyond me though. I have android on a cheap phone because I am poor and not tech savvy.

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                  In that case ig check if you phone supports lineageOS and look for tutorials on installing it

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                Rooting your android phone makes it less secure

              • ∞ 🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, ze/hir, des/pair, none/use name, undecided]@hexbear.net
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                GrapheneOS doesn’t support PinePhone? Is there some third party?

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                  Nah I was conflating two things, Pine with the mobile Debian that you lock down, or a Pixel with Graphene would be (some)the options

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          Okay so I can either have the shit google option or the equally shit apple option.

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            Yes.

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          You could always decide you’re smart enough

          Gonna stop you right there. No I couldn’t

          I was honestly thinking of going down to flip/slide phone tech anyway

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            I recommend against it. Aside from gaining aesthetics and user experience (I too genuinely love typing texts on a numeric keypad) you’re leaving behind almost every security and privacy enhancement that exists and it’s truly trivial to dump the contents of an old flip phone once you’ve got it open.

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              How does one securely downgrade tech, then? Using an old smart phone just sucks because everything runs slower than me after an entire pizza regardless of if it’s just texting and browsing or games or anything.

              I want to have phone where i can’t run the proprietary apps from my work but can browse the net and send texts and listen to music without taking 4 hours to load

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                You dont. Old technology is easier to bypass and doesn’t support new stuff either because no one wrote the software for it or because the hardware isn’t capable.

                We are using a vast, globe spanning system literally developed for surveillance and intelligence during the Cold War. Its predecessor, the copper line telephone systems’ wireless offspring, was augmented by an unholy alliance of technology and law into a vile chimera suitable only for spying. We have to recognize our position and make compromises.

                The compromises I’ve chosen to make revolve around mistrust of state actors and service providers and led me to use an iphone with a bunch of settings changed and manual backups/music loading using an old computer.

                You might be comfortable with a flip phone and an ipod (or any mp3 player, there’s just a lot of activity around the now “retro” ipods).

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            It’s so fucking easy to install you just plug your phone into your computer and go to https://grapheneos.org/install/web

            Yes you have to unlock your bootloader but that is also extremely simple. The whole thing takes like 15 minutes

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              Internet says i can’t unlock boot loader for my “alcatel Lume”

              Sorry if I’m being overly obtuse I’m pretty bad at brain thinking

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                Only works with pixel devices

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    If you really don’t want android anymore sailfish is pretty good. You can put it on supported devices however best support comes if you get the device from them directly

    https://commerce.jolla.com/

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    Another certified fireborn banger.

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    retvrn to J2ME flip phones

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      I’m itching for t9

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    This post only applies if you have play services installed on your device

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