How? I’ve never seen gamers reference it, like ever? They might think the remix is good but nobody seems to ever post it anywhere other than for political reasons. The most common place it shows up is antifascist protests or union strikes here in europe.
It’s in Hearts of Iron IV. I heard someone clock the game menu you can see barely in frame in that one picture of Robinson that was circulating. I haven’t played it so IDK.
The only place I’ve ever seen talk about the groypers attempting to use it was hexbear, their impact with it was non-existent. They would never successfully coopt this there is absolutely no chance the european left ever relinquishes a song so important here. The fascists in europe despise it, it boils their piss.
Feasibility of coopting something. You can’t do it if you can’t get a critical mass of your fash buds to do it too, and you can’t do it if you can’t get the other side to step back from it. If your fash friends feel visceral disgust from the song you’ve got a problem in getting enough of them together to coopt it, let alone when you’re trying to coopt something that’s played at literally every single leftist event. You may as well be trying to coopt the Internationale.
American leftists are the other side to them and Americans don’t have any near as much of an attachment to the song. Europeans might as well be on mars for groypers. I’m not saying that they have coopted, or even that they’ve tried to, my point is that Europeans are entirely irrelevant when talking about groypers.
I think you’d be surprised how many groypers are european nazis. These terminally online crowds are extremely international. And these online meme driven activities are highly reliant on getting the largest number of participants possible which relies on being nation-less, which in a sense white supremacy on the internet tries to be. They are the “white nation” in the online space and its what bolsters numbers as opposed to specific niche geographical groups of nationalists that hate each other.
I can’t speak to Bella Ciao being coopted by the right, I don’t think the shooter was a groyper, but I do think that speculating on it being used that way is plausible when it was being discussed a couple days ago. I base that on a parallel thing where I’ve seen a lot of far right people presumably in the US latching on to Irish rebel music. Either with conservative keyboard warriors leaving bellicose comments on youtube or with rightwing content creators using song clips in their videos. So there are lefty songs that get picked up by fash or just filter into the zeitgeist of apolitical audiences.
I base that on a parallel thing where I’ve seen a lot of far right people presumably in the US latching on to Irish rebel music.
I believe that these people who genuinely believe in their hearts that they are rebels are probably redeemable if they get the correct political education. They genuinely want to fight something that is getting them down but are misguided as to what it is. They find in this music that spirit of rebellion against the oppressor but they mislabel the oppressor because of their lack of political education.
Correct me if I’m wrong but most of these people are dirt poor rednecks.
I’m thinking specifically of boogaloo, libertarian, AnCap, anti-antifascist, etc. types. There is very much a vibe stateside among reactionaries that upholding state violence and resisting social progress is how they rebel against “the system.” So I’m specifically talking about people who are reactionaries first and then choose these tunes because of their meme status.
On a more general line, sure I agree there are a lot of working-poor proles that see themselves as having a sort of rebellious spirit who could be redirected with the correct political education.
How? I’ve never seen gamers reference it, like ever? They might think the remix is good but nobody seems to ever post it anywhere other than for political reasons. The most common place it shows up is antifascist protests or union strikes here in europe.
It’s in Hearts of Iron IV. I heard someone clock the game menu you can see barely in frame in that one picture of Robinson that was circulating. I haven’t played it so IDK.
Isn’t that why it became a thing with groypers? Because it was an unlockable in a Far Cry game?
The only place I’ve ever seen talk about the groypers attempting to use it was hexbear, their impact with it was non-existent. They would never successfully coopt this there is absolutely no chance the european left ever relinquishes a song so important here. The fascists in europe despise it, it boils their piss.
The hearts of iron playlist with Bella ciao people are talking about had 30 saves on Spotify. I highly doubt it was seen by Robinson.
I don’t see why groypers would care at all how something is perceived in Europe.
Feasibility of coopting something. You can’t do it if you can’t get a critical mass of your fash buds to do it too, and you can’t do it if you can’t get the other side to step back from it. If your fash friends feel visceral disgust from the song you’ve got a problem in getting enough of them together to coopt it, let alone when you’re trying to coopt something that’s played at literally every single leftist event. You may as well be trying to coopt the Internationale.
American leftists are the other side to them and Americans don’t have any near as much of an attachment to the song. Europeans might as well be on mars for groypers. I’m not saying that they have coopted, or even that they’ve tried to, my point is that Europeans are entirely irrelevant when talking about groypers.
I think you’d be surprised how many groypers are european nazis. These terminally online crowds are extremely international. And these online meme driven activities are highly reliant on getting the largest number of participants possible which relies on being nation-less, which in a sense white supremacy on the internet tries to be. They are the “white nation” in the online space and its what bolsters numbers as opposed to specific niche geographical groups of nationalists that hate each other.
I can’t speak to Bella Ciao being coopted by the right, I don’t think the shooter was a groyper, but I do think that speculating on it being used that way is plausible when it was being discussed a couple days ago. I base that on a parallel thing where I’ve seen a lot of far right people presumably in the US latching on to Irish rebel music. Either with conservative keyboard warriors leaving bellicose comments on youtube or with rightwing content creators using song clips in their videos. So there are lefty songs that get picked up by fash or just filter into the zeitgeist of apolitical
audiences.
I believe that these people who genuinely believe in their hearts that they are rebels are probably redeemable if they get the correct political education. They genuinely want to fight something that is getting them down but are misguided as to what it is. They find in this music that spirit of rebellion against the oppressor but they mislabel the oppressor because of their lack of political education.
Correct me if I’m wrong but most of these people are dirt poor rednecks.
I’m thinking specifically of boogaloo, libertarian, AnCap, anti-antifascist, etc. types. There is very much a vibe stateside
among reactionaries that upholding state violence and resisting social progress is how they rebel against “the system.” So I’m specifically talking about people who are reactionaries first and then choose these tunes because of their meme status.
On a more general line, sure I agree there are a lot of working-poor proles that see themselves as having a sort of rebellious spirit who could be redirected with the correct political education.