Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

lea-bounce

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    55·
    12 days ago

    Since there is near universal approval of having a true Zionist entity flag burning emote, this thread is now about whether ZPoster should be banned or not.

    I vote for them being unbanned because they already have a million alts ready on standby anyways, and they’re not going anywhere until Nakoichi is gone.

    It’s funny how the rest of Hexbear always comes around to their point of view eventually even when most people see them as a crank. It happened with the SMO and it’s happening with emote.

    • Muinteoir_Saoirse [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      48·
      12 days ago

      Anyone who wants Z_poster to stay banned doesn’t use the news mega lol. You can disagree with Z (I often do), but Z always has actually interesting and insightful things to say from a different perspective. Even if you never agree with Z, you’re always challenged to think your own viewpoint through.

      Edit: I think there are some people who demand everyone agree with a “hexbear line” or else get banned, and are opposed to letting people that see things differently stay and contribute/hash it out. It’s often quite juvenile.

    • T34_69 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      34·
      12 days ago

      Z_Poster adds a lot to the discourse of the site IMO and I’ve found myself siding with their takes more often than not in a controversy, I was bummed when I saw they were banned and why. Using the reason of ban evasion alts seems to me like a smokescreen because what were they banned for in the first place? I haven’t seen any bigotry from them but maybe I don’t really spend as much time on the site as I thought. Maybe they’re abrasive and they should chill out but I can’t really blame them considering how they’re being treated. The crackerdom is palpable tbh, this is a chance to reverse that.

      EDIT: Also they said they’re Arab and the other users circling around them I’m pretty sure are white, and the context here is the Israeli genocide on Palestine. Come on now.

    • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      30·
      12 days ago

      I have to put my own name up as someone who argued about the SMO with them last year and came around to see things a similar way.

      “A pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave which the winds of history will sweep away without mercy.”

      • T34_69 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        16·
        12 days ago

        Apparently they’re so good at posting that their alts write with completely different voices and personalities! Truly a superhuman poster.

        • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          40·
          12 days ago

          The mods have acted like even wanting, much less demanding, an apology for any action of theirs is “wrecker behavior” literally since the site started which is wack because 1) they act like they’re liable for the Death Penalty or something, like the Court of Public Opinion is a real thing they are subject to, like who tf cares if someone thinks they’re power tripping or whatever, their opinion isn’t gonna steal the site from them or anything lol that’s not how shit works, but they act like it’s some sort of threat to their authority??? and 2) it’s ironically more “wrecker behavior” than half the actual wrecker shit coming in here. Like I don’t think the slow crawl from “literally having a feedback and ban appeal comm” to “nobody gets unbanned unless they’re (critically) beloved and others with influence on the site publicly ask for it in a thread about a stupid struggle session” has been GOOD trajectory for the site

          Like if i weren’t a broke shithead i’d put money on that “i want an apology” comment being what set off whoever did the ban

          Edit: also super ironic given they tried to make people subject themselves to public digital pillory “posting in self crit” to beg an unban

      • Cat_Daddy [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        13·
        12 days ago

        I think it was the struggle sessions about having the real flag vs the alternative flag we have now. Like, two weeks ago, maybe? Not sure on the timeline.