I excuse any and all antisemetism from palestinians and other middle easterners at this point. I can’t even imagine going through something like this and not hating the religion the zionist entity nominally fights for.
Yes, it would sound absolutely natural and fair, if a survivor talking about a concentration camp were to say:“The Germans did this to us”. And it would sound totally ridiculous to correct them like:“That’s racist! Not all Germans! You mean the Nazis did this!”. And yet, I’m absolutely certain some people would say exactly this.
One of my friend’s grandparents pretty much never forgave the Japanese(not just like fascists but as a whole) for their imperial days and I cant exactly blame them at all.
A lot of my older relatives are like this. Kinda hard to let go of things when you lose your brother in the Bataan Death March or watch Japanese soldiersremoved and behead all the women in your family while you were able to hide in a crawlspace because you were a little girl. The survivor’s guilt alone left people messed up for life. And no one wants to talk about if you were a “comfort woman.” It’s just too fucking awful to think about.
Yeah but it’s still fighting racism with racism, no? I get that it’s easy for me being a white dude from america to denounce zionism without veering off into antisemitism, sure, and I can understand why a muslim might end up hating all jews. It’s complicated for sure, but like I said I think back on what Fred Hampton said about fighting fire with fire, you don’t fight it with racism (fire) but water (solidarity).
I wouldn’t tell native Americans to fight settler colonialism with solidarity and I’d think their hatred of Christians was justified. I think the timeline of colonialism and the specific place of black Americans in the 60s compared to Palestinians may make the two situations distinct.
Not saying I would necessarily blame Palestinians at the moment, just saying that normalizing anti-Semitism in the place of anti-Zionism is their goal and we should be aware of that. If we start doing that and accepting it then I personally think it’s going to just fuel Zionism further. This is partly why you have braindead German anarchists who are pro-Zionist and anti-Palestinian.
We should also generally reject anti-Semitism in principle anyway.
I excuse any and all antisemetism from palestinians and other middle easterners at this point. I can’t even imagine going through something like this and not hating the religion the zionist entity nominally fights for.
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The best response possible. Norm Finkelstein says more or less this. His parents hated Germans. Not Nazis. Germans.
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Yes, it would sound absolutely natural and fair, if a survivor talking about a concentration camp were to say:“The Germans did this to us”. And it would sound totally ridiculous to correct them like:“That’s racist! Not all Germans! You mean the Nazis did this!”. And yet, I’m absolutely certain some people would say exactly this.
One of my friend’s grandparents pretty much never forgave the Japanese(not just like fascists but as a whole) for their imperial days and I cant exactly blame them at all.
A lot of my older relatives are like this. Kinda hard to let go of things when you lose your brother in the Bataan Death March or watch Japanese soldiersremoved and behead all the women in your family while you were able to hide in a crawlspace because you were a little girl. The survivor’s guilt alone left people messed up for life. And no one wants to talk about if you were a “comfort woman.” It’s just too fucking awful to think about.
Like half of Britain didn’t even want to look at a German until the mid 1960s out of pure anger over WWII
Yeah but it’s still fighting racism with racism, no? I get that it’s easy for me being a white dude from america to denounce zionism without veering off into antisemitism, sure, and I can understand why a muslim might end up hating all jews. It’s complicated for sure, but like I said I think back on what Fred Hampton said about fighting fire with fire, you don’t fight it with racism (fire) but water (solidarity).
Saying they excuse it doesn’t mean they endorse it just that they understand why people react that way
I wouldn’t tell native Americans to fight settler colonialism with solidarity and I’d think their hatred of Christians was justified. I think the timeline of colonialism and the specific place of black Americans in the 60s compared to Palestinians may make the two situations distinct.
Fair. I just don’t want to add anymore fuel to the fire that all muslims hate all jews and that all leftists are antisemites.
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This is exactly what Zionists want.
Well, it’s working
Not saying I would necessarily blame Palestinians at the moment, just saying that normalizing anti-Semitism in the place of anti-Zionism is their goal and we should be aware of that. If we start doing that and accepting it then I personally think it’s going to just fuel Zionism further. This is partly why you have braindead German anarchists who are pro-Zionist and anti-Palestinian.
We should also generally reject anti-Semitism in principle anyway.