China has the best air quality in east Asia probably, and I don’t think you’ll find a major world city of over 10 million people that has better air quality than a chinese megacity.

maybe new york is only 8.6, but it’s famously landlocked and its megalopolis is ~50m. ok. do the same search on tokyo. do it on jakarta. chinese cities are some of the absolute worst in the world. this whole thread is just naked ccprop.

china today is better than china 10 years ago. it would be pretty fucking hard to be worse and still have a living population. but it is significantly better than it used to be. the sun is visible on quite a few days of the year in your wonderful cities.

what’s a goalpost?

lol. https://aqicn.org/historical#!city:hangzhou

compare and contrast

https://aqicn.org/historical#!city:usa/newyork

this is bullshit. i was in china 10 years ago for a week in hangzhou and i never saw the sun. i could only barely tell where it was in the sky. that was perfectly normal. in contrast, in the new york megalopolis, it is shocking when the sun is hidden by haze.

edit: i said this implying there was no way on earth they could have improved air quality that much in only 10 years. it was shocking to me how bad it was. in all my life i had never seen anything like it, even when new york was filthy. odd days where things were hazy, but nothing at all like this, and it never ended. you just did not ever see the sun. i was there for a week, but everyone there i spoke to said that it was always this way. 10 years isn’t long enough.

and, indeed, you can see for yourself:

hangzhou: https://aqicn.org/historical#!city:hangzhou new york: https://aqicn.org/historical#!city:usa/newyork

anyone who tells you that china’s air quality is anything but fucking terrible basically all the time is trying to work you

he has always been like this. god, he’s one of the most consistent public figures i can think of. nothing has changed except that now you can see.

nate anderson, so its probably slop that slipped by. at least, that’s easier for me to understand than a human being actually writing something like that since 1980.