Red_Shift [comrade/them, comrade/them]

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  • Well, I will say that I am interested in some of the arguments Anark was bringing, particularly the unity of ends and means. But I’m not a big fan of the case he brings against the USSR, China, etc. I think there’s a theoretical disconnect there, which I suspect centers around whether or not you accept / utilize the dialectic. Anark, actually very much like S4A who he is criticizing here who also does not think China is socialist, does not utilize the dialectic when analyzing whether or not something is socialist. Can’t fault him for it since the dialectic isn’t part of anarchism (right?) but if you are going to somehow be attempting to refute Marxism, you’re going to need to touch on the dialectic otherwise the Marxist analysis is going to sound like gibberish. Instead, he just kind of responds to that gibberish strawman instead of taking on the dialectical form of the argument.

    As succinctly as I can: Anark is taking a snapshot view of China and asking whether or not X or Y trait associated with capitalism is present. If those traits are still present, it’s capitalist. This is a very common take even among Marxists, but not a dialectical one. Think about it this way. Imagine looking at a still picture of a car driving down a road. You can look at all the features of the car, all the traits of the car in that snapshot, the engine, tires, interior, but it’s not going to tell you the direction it’s headed, the road it’s on, whether there is a cliff 500 meters in front of the car, etc. The internal traits of the vehicle itself don’t necessarily dictate a specific direction that it can be driven in, or a past direction that it came from. The Marxist argument is that taking a snapshot of China right now doesn’t tell you about whether it’s on the road to socialism or not, because you have to zoom out and look at the history of the country, the material conditions over time and the general tendency of those conditions to see the road the vehicle is on, the surrounding environment that the vehicle exists in. Anark didn’t respond to this point, probably because S4A himself doesn’t understand it.

    But this is where the disconnect on ends-means unity comes in because my understanding is that Anark believes that the internal traits of the social machine do necessarily dictate a direction. So that by looking at its current traits you can determine something about a future state, e.g. liberatory means result in liberatory ends. The problem I’m having with that argument though is, how did Anark come to that conclusion? What gets you to ends-means unity as something that is valid and sound? What would make a Marxist accept that claim?



  • I think it’s one of those things where you need to already be there ideologically to get it. If you just bring some liberal in here, their internal red scare propaganda alarm is going to go ballistic and all they’ll see is just crazy take after crazy take. Sounds cliche but they need to do some reading or learning first so they can understand why we support AES, why Stalin wasn’t as bad as they say, the importance of the class character of the state, the economic strangling of the USSR by the west, difference between bourgeois and proletarian democracy, etc. If they aren’t interested in learning about those things or find it too boring or are too ideologically opposed to even consider them, then I’m not sure this person is ready to dive into these topics in a serious way yet.



  • If you look at the other sales on Abebooks they are often signed, same with Amazon. So what happens is, the first person who made that post saw a signed 90+ year old first edition, and posted it for like 1000 dollars. It doesn’t really matter what it’s actually worth, this is a common strategy in online posting to extract as much profit. So then the next people coming to upload see the original posting of like 1000, they see that it’s crazy overpriced so they might lower it 100 or 200, but even then it’s still 800. This goes on and 30 postings later the price is still high at 200 because it started high. If there’s not enough volume then it will likely stay high, as is likely the case with this book which is exceedingly rare.

    Socialist books in general outside of bourgeois translations of Marx and Engels are incredibly rare in the west and censorship of anything potentially pro-soviet during the cold war was a very real thing


  • This would require them being not completely paranoid about the poors stealing all their nice things and feeling like they’re being ripped off by paying the poors more than they’re worth. Being super rich poisons your mind and so they’ll be suckered in by meritocracy and protestant work ethic type stuff that makes them think people need to work non stop to deserve a decent life. So this type of idea, while resulting in a better outcome for them, would seem unappealing because they’d see it as just paying for everyone else to jerk around.

    Plus their rich friends who they compare themselves to would make fun of them for making such bad business decisions


  • I’m for getting rid of bourgeois “democracy” at any point, multi party elections would just benefit imperialism, the question is, is it being replaced by any form of proletarian democracy? Are there any elections within the party? Are unions and workers organizations given power within the party to vote? If they continue with a one-party socialist democracy, then I think that’s exactly what they should be doing. But having no or a low amount of socialist democracy within that structure would be concerning. Right now I’m not certain that we have enough info to make that judgement call yet.