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    i remember one time at work we were talking about this stuff, and one of our bosses straight up said the cia has never done anything like that. i really mean it when i say every working class employee busted out laughing.

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    Can’t believe none asked yet: what’s your favorite four? I in the comments I see Pokemon Go, MK Ultra, Project Stargate. Not even four!

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    It is openly terrifying how The stance of the American government is basically yeah we did that what are you going to do about it?

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    Recommend the book Safe for Democracy by John Prados. It’s a damn doorstop and gets pretty dry at parts (think a full outline of the obtuse bureaucratic names various covert working groups gave themselves), but it’s an exhaustive record of the CIA from their founding up to their adventures in Afghanistan.

    It mostly focuses on armed conflict rather than the cloak and dagger spy games, but still shows the lengths the agency has gone to just because a world leader leaned a little too far left for their liking.

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    The MK Ultra program being real is fucking insane.

    The fact they still employ “far seers” is also insane, and I don’t know if it’s insane because they use absolute bogus things seriously, or if that shit is actually real somehow. Like there has to be reason they have 'em still, you know?

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    It’s incredible how many things have gone from “insane conspiracy theory” to “yes, declassified documents prove that the CIA actually did this”.

    Makes me wonder what things they’re doing right now that might be declassified in a few decades… Makes me wonder what things they’ve done that were so fucked up that they still haven’t declassified them.

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      Most of it is probably about mass surveillance and their propaganda machine.

      I wonder if they have an evolved version of mkultra, maybe testing it right now on Maduro.

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        I doubt mkultra was ever about individuals rather than mass mind control.

        Also, why be afraid of an evolved version of mkultra when social media is brainwashing people into believing literally anything? Well, anything as long as it conforms to your personal biases. Social media companies have achieved what the CIA could never do.

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      I regularly wonder how much of the dark sci-fi we’ve been cooking up over the years is just unaware documentary.

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        There’s this reporter, Ross Coulthart, started going off about aliens and UFOs and telepathy and weird shit recently. He is an award winning investigative reporter who got turned into an alien reporter.

        Well I noticed one day he starts talking about the GATE program (gifted and talented education) and testing children for psionic ability… Then i remember my parents trying to get me to try out for GATE and taking me to some weird building where they gave me weird psychic tests…

        I failed them, but it proved to me that life is way stranger than we give it credit for. Yes, there are secret government programs looking for telepathic children. I’ve seen proof. That’s probably just the tip of iceberg if so.

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          going off about aliens and UFOs and telepathy and weird shit recently

          Anybody going on about UFOs in the modern day loses me.

          The real final nail in the coffin about UFOs is that after it became common for people to have cameras (phones) in their pocket at all times everywhere, reports of UFO sightings went significantly down, not up. In ye olden days (yes, I was there, 3000 years ago), people with a UFO sighting often had the excuse that they didn’t have a camera on them at the time, and that’s why they didn’t capture proof of it. Because most people didn’t carry a camera at all unless they specifically planned to go out and take pictures. In the modern day, though, “pics or it didn’t happen” is a more common sentiment, and reports of UFO sightings have gone way down.

          If UFOs were real*, you’d expect to see a lot more reports and more evidence of them as quick and easy camera access became ubiquitous. People would be taking pictures and videos of them all the time! But the opposite has happened – having easy and available means to collect evidence has reduced the number of claims.

          *Okay, in the strictest technical sense, UFOs are real. In the sense that people sometimes see flying objects that they can’t readily identify. But – especially in the modern day, with camera evidence – those tend to be pretty explainable by more knowledgeable people who can identify them, and the more evidence there is, the less likely it seems for them to be associated with any sort of extraterrestrial origin.

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      If you tell people about declassified CIA ops they will often call you a conspiracy theorist.

      Like, no theory needed lad, this is official documentation.