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I dont want to support a company who has given money to fascists and alt right groups like Framework has done. Yall should check out Eurocom for a good modular laptop, I’ve purchased two in my lifetime and both were great.
Starting at $1,199, not including ram or storage
RAM and storage? In this economy?
When I was looking at getting a nice laptop instead of my current high end desktop and cheap old laptop setup, I really considered a Framework. But honestly, Thinkpads are cheaper and just as repairable. Yeah, they don’t have the slide out port things, but they just have a lot of ports built in.
My thinkpad only charges with usb-c, and it’s a loooot harder to resolder those on a thinkpad than hotswap them on the framework
I mean, sure, but there needs to be a port the framework modules connect to. the framework uses the same, soldiered down, USB-C connection for the adapters to connect to. So the same issue arises as with a thinkpad and every other laptop.
The difference is that they experience fatigue for most people 100x less frequently, so they’ll last 100x longer
my point is whether it is fatigued or it stopped working as a result of a large enough electrical impedance that current can’t pass through or god knows some other reason. You would have replaced the motherboard either way because of 10 other motherboard/component failures. in which case, buy a new laptop.
thinkpads are rapidly depreciative. They approximately depreciate linearly compared to a theoretically and practically non-depreciative product; The longer they are used (or just held in stock), the cheaper they become. I’ve found used thinkpads that are worth the same amount for a same spec’d framework motherboards. until integrated circuits become cheaper your just purchasing a more expensive thinkpad that’s easier to understand (from an upgrade perspective) for the user.
ThinkPad also has a nipple. After getting used to it I believe I will want it always.
A long time ago I had one with a mini trackball which I vastly prefer, but they dont make those anymore.
That’s not everything that’s interchangeable.
Oh I know, but that’s the only thing that’s more replaceable on a framework than on most Thinkpads. Other than that they are both equally repair/replaceable.
Yeah, so far from what I’ve seen, buying into the framework ecosystem is only valuable if you will use the modular design to upgrade, for instance to upgrade your main processor or the screen, as new iterations arrive.
Also thinkpads are just way cheaper, you can get a used T14 for like $400 and pretty much any framework is at least like $800
Thinkpads are so cheap because a million companies buy thousands of them and sell them when they’re a few years old. Not the case with framework
At least you can configure it not to have USB-A port. The other Linux-first manufacturers all think we’re in the time just when USB-C came out and all your devices where still USB-A, so a least include three USB-A ports!!!
Most devices I connect to my computer use USB A.
Without USB A I would not have mouse, keyboard, USB key, external SSD.
I know that there is a need for USB-A for some (most?) people, but for people like me, it’s a blocker. I want to buy these Linux-first laptops, but won’t do it. I have very few things that still need USB-A and most of those things are either connected to my desktop screen and accessed using USB-C hub or connected to USB-A power adapter.
Michael needs an editor - lots of instances of the wrong word used, but it’s obvious what he meant so not the end of the world. Just kept jarring me out of focus on the review every time I hit one.
Wonderful day! Perhaps examples of the mistakes will help, and have you tried contacting the author directly, on the website itself, too? An editor, a colleague in a any team to stand together is always marvel, of course…
My only question with the Framework laptop is still “Is it upgradable to have physical buttons on the touchpad yet?”
A nipple and buttons on the top of the touchpad is all I need from them
There’s a special place in hell for the person that started the trend of only having mouse button integrated into the touchpad.
Would be great. The touchpad is really not good enough to rely on precise clicks or gestures for second and third mouse button.
A laptop review without a single word about battery life?
6th paragraph
Framework Computing is touting up to a 20 hour battery life with this laptop
According to the review at arstechnica it’s pretty good!
You can also swap it pretty easly, so you can carry an extra one
because it’s only passable on linux.
I don’t recall them really leaning into Linux so hard in their previous marketing but it’s all over now!
Didn’t they already achieve that? What more could they possibly do?
