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Why do you think he couldn’t be American? Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda? There’s been several stories of US right-wingers simping for Russia so hard they moved there, frequently with comical outcomes, sent to the frontlines, etc., this is the same thing with a (not very convincing) left-wing coat of paint.
Dude posts in other accounts with fluid Russian. I’ve even got some screens somewhere.
Why would you question something so clear and simple, unless you mean to dissuade people from the notion that Russia has organised propaganda online and to imply that they aren’t on poorly moderated platforms like Lemmy to do it.
Also, Americans don’t keep referring to the US as “the imperialist West”.
But you’re just a shitstirrer, that’s obvious from your profile.
So you just can’t recognise Russian propaganda spread purposefully when you see it, no matter what?
And you think posting that here is gonna be popular, lil вахтера?
I literally asked “Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda?”, which presupposes that Russian propaganda exists (because it exists, the article linked by the user there being an example) and that Americans are falling for it. Learn to read instead of inventing stuff that I didn’t say.
Huh?
I can both recognise Russian propaganda and know that not everyone who spreads it is personally Russian.
If you can find those screenshots of Davel’s Russian comments, I’d seriously like to see them. I came across people on Lemmy claiming even Dessalines could be Russian, yet there’s no proof of that, even though he uses the same phrases as “the imperialist West” etc., his reddit comments from many years ago show he’s from the US, his recordings on Youtube are in native US English, etc. He just ate up some of the weirder strains of Russian propaganda along with lots of other ideas (the sort of tankie ideology seen on Lemmy is primarily a US phenomenon, I believe a weird off-shoot of Cold War pro-USSR narratives). So I’m suspicious of this blanket conclusion that everyone who spreads pro-Russia, anti-west narratives is necessarily foreign to the US.
I studied Russian for a while, I’ve seen lots of Russian memes online, etc, but I have no idea what “вахтера” could mean?
Oh so you’re allowed to whatabout and make up bullshit, but no-one else can?
You’re literally whatabouting. “But what about the American victims of propaganda, how can you be sure Davel isn’t one of them” you sad sack of shit and your brigading alts to make you look even remotely reasonable.
“I’m just asking questions” is genuinely so fucking tires rhetoric. No you’re not. You’re using questions to assert Davel isn’t Russian.
What makes you believe he isn’t Russian?
Oh wait, I wasn’t allowed to ask questions, only you?
Really? That’s all you have to say. Kinda reminds me of a JD Vance interview here actually. Instead of furthering the discussion anywhere, you go in with shitty whataboutism or other “just questions” and never even contribute to threads.
Is Davel “everyone”? Oh wait, perhaps Davel, Yogthos and other pathetic little Russian shills are all the same person, and because you’re having a hard time keeping up “who you are” because you’re everyone, you’re also me, but have forgotten it?
Or perhaps you were exaggerating, since very clearly don’t assume “everyone” who accidentally spreads Russian propaganda isn’t Russian. But Davel is, I know that for a fact.
You can cry all you can but if you read his profile and even look up other profiles he’s had with the same name and content, you can (if you’re literate, but I think that won’t include you, sorry) look at his profile.
Just like I said, you’re a shitstirrer who got angry that Davel got talked about. This happens all the time on Lemmy. That’s why everyone know what garbage heaps lemmy.ml and lemmygrad are. You know, the instances which Davel mods and speaks fluent Russian on?
There’s massive intentional Russian propaganda being spread by Russia exactly on poorly moderated platform like Lemmy. And everytime you point it out you get one of you whiners goin “no they’re actually American, definitely, they smell of the decadent capitalist West, just like comrade Lenin thought us here our motherland… no wait. I meant Nixon, and am of living in United States!”
Thanks for the laughs little вахтера
Man, saying “He’s an American who fell for Russian propaganda” isn’t denying the existence of Russian propaganda.
Correct.
So what the proof that Davel is American? How many Americans or people in general, do you know of, who have learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?
What’s the proof that he’s Russian? You haven’t given any proof either, and claiming he as alts where he speaks fluent Russian isn’t the same as providing proof of that. People can make any claim they want.
Combating Russian propoganda begins with people being skeptical, and that includes of you.
Literally everything he says and does.
But only skepticism towards Russia doing disinformation. It’s not like if you were a person who was purposefully spreading Russian disinfo that you’d have a vested interest in literally always being “skeptical” towards anyone trying to catch you out in said disinfo?
No, of course not, what’s the proof for that?
Its hilarious that you don’t realise how utterly garbage your rhetoric is. It’s like arguing a 12-year old irl :D
What’s the proof that Vicky with three kisses was working for the British?
Combating Russian propaganda begins with calling it out for what it is, not sucking Putler’s smegma-y cock every chance you get.
Jesus, did it struck a nerve or something? The other user just asked how you could be so sure, plus their nationality is not even that relevant, because they’re spouting Russian propaganda anyway whether they are actually Russian or from anywhere else.
Because it’s not hard to Google “davel lemmy” and see a dozen accounts of him speaking fluid Russian.
How many Americans you know of whom learned to speak and write Russian in their adult years?
It clearly did. For the Russians on the platform. “Nah uh, we’re good liars!”
Ruahahaha. Russians might be decent in chess but the rhetoric is ridiculous and entertaining. Although I can understand that this sort of “water isn’t actually wet” discourse is “complicated” by US or Russian literacy standards.
It’s still weird that you’re so attached to the notion of their nationality, but you do you I guess.
Oh I’m not. I know he’s Russian. Doesn’t matter to me, personally, what nationality he is from. But unless you’re a politically illiterate and like generally illiterate person who has somehow managed to avoid all news in the past idk, pick whatever time length you want to, you’d know that Russians definitely have a vested interest in manipulating opinions online. (Because the ‘special military operation’ isn’t really going so well, is it? :D More Ruskis for the meatgrinder.)
You don’t think that if you actually knew someone was Russian and actually pushing Russian propaganda, that you have a moral duty to do something about it? Why not? Do you think Russia is right and should be allowed to continue their crimes on humanity? Because… I don’t. I think crimes on humanity are wrong, and I think a fair few people, and the most important international organisations (and laws) agree with me here. Weird, huh? Perhaps you’re just amoral?
I believe that the majority of Lemmy users are Americans (the majority of discourse is US-centred, non-English communities except German ones are effectively nonexistent).
Davel’s rhetoric partly aligns with Russian propaganda, but its pseudo-leftist bent is not really found in Russian propaganda or in Russian popular discourse.
I again would ask you, if possible, to find the screenshots. I don’t think it’s impossible, I just think it’s less likely than him being American. Solid evidence can decisively end this dispute.
Literally my first comment ITT was pointing out the article he linked is written by a pro-Trump blogger. If you think that was meant to be in any way a defense of Davel, that’s just crazy.
The rest is random accusations with no heads or tails that I don’t think can be meaningfully responded to. I have one alternative profile (now unused) which is linked in my profile description.
Oh hunny, you believing things isn’t proof. :((
How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?
You’re pathetic.
You mean “rhetoric I won’t address because it’d show how wrong I am, so I just go there to put in childish comments implying defense of Russia and how the US sucks”
This is literally like a teenage “philosopher” trying to argue how “water isn’t actually wet”.
Genuinely I’ve had good laughs and I was somewhat lonely tonight so thanks :DD
“Please find the screenshots you took of some lunatic Russian 4 years ago” yeah they’re actually on my PC, but it shouldn’t be hard for you to Google “davel lemmy” and see all the different accounts he has. Although since I’ve stated pointing it out, after he started evading me, he’s also deleted the comments I’ve screenshot and shared.
Again thanks for the giggles
Oh hunny, the same is true for you. How the fuck can someone be so arrogant? You’ve provided no evidence and only made claims, and you want people to believe you, but also you’re saying believing isn’t proof. What? Are you stupid?
Oh because you’re asserting random things with literally no rhetoric I behind them, or just saying “nuh-uh, fake news, fake news!”
I’ve followed Davel and friends for literally years. You can repeat yourself all you want, but it’s not gonna make your rhetoric any better, and you’re clearly unable to see it’s quality compared to mine.
It rally would be absolutely trivial for Davel or anyone to prove they’re American, but under the guise of “I don’t wanna dox myself” you keep pretending it wouldn’t. As if posting photos without exif or too much context is soooooo hard, right?
So nothing he says or does is evidence, but there’s also no other data than what he says or does, so no data ever could prove to you he is actually Russian. Because you know you’re lying.
Arrogance has to be earned, my little poo-pah
None personally, since I don’t talk with Americans except on forums online, though obviously I’ve read texts by a number of them (scholarly writing on Russian language and literature) and have seen and interacted with them on Russian-learning communities online. If you find that to be relevant. Do you know Russian well enough to judge his fluency anyway?
I really don’t believe you could look through my comment history, as you claimed, see my recent post with Semyon Skrepetsky’s painting, and say I’m in any way a defender of Russia. It looks like you’re just looking for enemies.
Lemmy isn’t indexed on Google very well, and finding people’s accounts that way is nigh impossible. I found his older inactive account on Lemmygrad and that’s it, and there’s no Russian there as far as I could see. Of course, maybe he deleted the comments in question, etc.
If you do run across the pics, even long after this discussion is over, don’t hesitate to post them, I’ll be thankful.
Yes, just looking for enemies. Just like Davel, who thinks there are “approximately zero Russian trolls on Lemmy” when he’s active and mods same communities as Dessalines, who is one of the developers of Lemmy, and known to be a Russian Marxist-Leninist.
Perhaps Russian propaganda doesn’t even exist, it’s all just “progressive social media posts”? (This is the sort that makes me laugh, as if anyone even remotely politically literate would confuse “progressive social media posts” with authoritarian propaganda. I’m sure people do, as there are plenty of politically illiterate people. That’s what Russian propaganda relies on, lol.
“Have you seen this Russian propaganda first hand” Uh, yeah, most definitely. Again, one would have to be politically illiterate not to have.
As I said, I’ve read through many of Dessalines’ comments (on Lemmy and Reddit) at one point, and saw no indication he’s anything other than American. Are both of these Russian speakers, according to you, or is the latter part just in reference to Davel?
Of course not. As I pointed out, once again, the very blog linked by Davel in OP’s screenshot is by a self-admitted right-winger/pro-Trumper who has been reporting on the failures of Ukraine and “glorious advancements” of Russia for years, it could be a textbook example of the horseshoe theory. You don’t have to explain to me that Davel is being disingenuous, he openly said he wants Russia to conquer Ukraine because Russia isn’t imperialist, unlike the US, I don’t need any additional convincing regarding him.