Source https://lemmy.ml/post/48980289

Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input “lemmy.ml” and apply

And consider donating to individual instances instead.

Check the megathread for more!

  • antonim@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    4 hours ago

    How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?

    None personally, since I don’t talk with Americans except on forums online, though obviously I’ve read texts by a number of them (scholarly writing on Russian language and literature) and have seen and interacted with them on Russian-learning communities online. If you find that to be relevant. Do you know Russian well enough to judge his fluency anyway?

    implying defense of Russia

    I really don’t believe you could look through my comment history, as you claimed, see my recent post with Semyon Skrepetsky’s painting, and say I’m in any way a defender of Russia. It looks like you’re just looking for enemies.

    Lemmy isn’t indexed on Google very well, and finding people’s accounts that way is nigh impossible. I found his older inactive account on Lemmygrad and that’s it, and there’s no Russian there as far as I could see. Of course, maybe he deleted the comments in question, etc.

    If you do run across the pics, even long after this discussion is over, don’t hesitate to post them, I’ll be thankful.

    • Dasus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 hours ago

      Yes, just looking for enemies. Just like Davel, who thinks there are “approximately zero Russian trolls on Lemmy” when he’s active and mods same communities as Dessalines, who is one of the developers of Lemmy, and known to be a Russian Marxist-Leninist.

      Perhaps Russian propaganda doesn’t even exist, it’s all just “progressive social media posts”? (This is the sort that makes me laugh, as if anyone even remotely politically literate would confuse “progressive social media posts” with authoritarian propaganda. I’m sure people do, as there are plenty of politically illiterate people. That’s what Russian propaganda relies on, lol.

      “Have you seen this Russian propaganda first hand” Uh, yeah, most definitely. Again, one would have to be politically illiterate not to have.

      • antonim@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        4 hours ago

        Dessalines, who is one of the developers of Lemmy, and a fluent Russian speaker

        As I said, I’ve read through many of Dessalines’ comments (on Lemmy and Reddit) at one point, and saw no indication he’s anything other than American. Are both of these Russian speakers, according to you, or is the latter part just in reference to Davel?

        Perhaps Russian propaganda doesn’t even exist, it’s all just “progressive social media posts”?

        Of course not. As I pointed out, once again, the very blog linked by Davel in OP’s screenshot is by a self-admitted right-winger/pro-Trumper who has been reporting on the failures of Ukraine and “glorious advancements” of Russia for years, it could be a textbook example of the horseshoe theory. You don’t have to explain to me that Davel is being disingenuous, he openly said he wants Russia to conquer Ukraine because Russia isn’t imperialist, unlike the US, I don’t need any additional convincing regarding him.

        • Dasus@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 hours ago

          Yeah like I said this is the same thing that Davel did. Pretends there’s no Russian presence on Lemmy, like arguing “water isn’t wet”.

          The number one thing I’ve found is the hardcore refusal that any purposeful Russian propaganda or Russian accounts are on Lemmy. It’s a hilariously clear sign of a вахтера

          Dessalines, the lead developer and an administrator of the lemmy.ml instance, has faced criticism on communities like the r/RedditAlternatives Subreddit and tchncs.de Discussion Board for comments regarding Russia and geopolitics.In discussions on the platform, Dessalines has expressed strong anti-imperialist, Marxist-Leninist, and multipolar worldviews. His stance on Russia—specifically during the ongoing conflict in Ukraine—has involved the following themes:Geopolitical Justifications: In community posts (such as on lemmy.world), Dessalines has drawn scrutiny for making statements suggesting that criticism of Russia often ignores broader anti-imperialist geopolitics or US foreign policy agendas.Defederation/Moderation Policies: Because Lemmy is federated, individual instance admins can block or “defederate” from others. Many non-ML (Marxist-Leninist) instance administrators and users on servers like sh.itjust.works or lemmy.world chose to defederate from lemmy.ml specifically due to what they describe as “tankie” propaganda, genocide denial, and the handling of these Russian war-related comments by instance admins.Contrasting Views on Authoritarianism: In comment chains arguing about whether communist or anti-Western states like Russia are “authoritarian,” Dessalines frequently pushes back, framing such accusations as “vibes-based analysis” propagated by Western powers.The decentralized nature of Lemmy allows users on different servers to experience completely different moderation standards, so these discussions vary wildly depending on whether you are viewing them on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, or other interconnected servers.

          Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda? You know, the explicit Marxist-Leninist politics defending Russia, blaming Ukraine, etc?

          Yeah that’s not hilarious at all. :D

          Keep going with this, you’ll soon surely wear out my stamina of… being entertained by you. :DDD

          Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn’t breathe

          It’s really not that hard to prove you’re not Russian either. Unless I just happen to be a Russian with finish dogtags and a Finnish calendar just conveniently by me for that reason while actively speaking against Putlerists.

          How likely do you think that is?

          • antonim@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            3 hours ago

            AI hallucinations are a waste of time.

            Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda?

            You’re still ascribing me ideas that I didn’t say or even outright denied (particularly this nonsense: accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda), and you’re not even trying to corrobate your previous claims. It’s actually crazy how hard you’re ignoring the things I wrote even on points where we agree. You do have to understand that US is a very different country from yours and you can’t project all of your local issues onto it. US’s relationship to and perspective on Russia is different from yours in Finland, and just as their right-wingers could have latched onto one strain of Russian propaganda, so could their Marxists; you likely won’t find clear parallels to their logic in your home country due to different history, political climate, proximity to Russia, etc. But you have to understand that in different countries different political positions can arise due to different circumstances.

            Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn’t breathe

            That sounds very worrying, I hope you’re just joking here.

            How likely do you think that is?

            Um, what? Did I say anything regarding your own nationality? Why in the world would I suspect you’re Russian, why would you have to prove to anyone you’re not?

            You have some issues bigger than some pro-Russian useful idiots on a small forum. I won’t reply anymore because I don’t want to make you puke, I wish you all the best.

            • Dasus@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 hours ago

              you’re just joking here.

              Oh like how you’re joking with this inane “nuh uh, you can’t prove water is wet” thing?

              Your rhetoric is hilarious. Let’s go over a bit of it. So you’re grabbing tons of hallucinated implications from my text, while saying that when you write things, it’s purely 100% prescriptive? (Yes, you’re gonna have to Google what that means, unfortunate, isn’t it?)

              “I’m quitting not because it’s so hard to even argue water isn’t wet, but because I so sympathetic to people laughing at me”

              Genuinely, like, you can’t proofread your own comments or you just don’t see how ridiculous they are? :D

              So, again “some pro-Russian useful idiots”. What proof do you have they’re not agents of the Russian government, and are American instead? Oh, did you perhaps hallucinate that? Awww :((

              • PugJesus@piefed.socialM
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                30 minutes ago

                I’m no stranger to being irritable and combative, but I’m gonna have to ask you to cool off and take a break from this particular conversation.