That’s a separate question. And the fact that we’ve had something like 15 minority governments in our history is proof that being PM is not the same as a president and that smaller parties matter. That’s literally how the NDP pushed universal healthcare through a Pearson minority and partial dental/pharma through a Trudeau minority.
Again, I’m not arguing in favour of the status quo, quite the opposite, see my response further down the thread. I’m just saying our system has its own structure and its dynamics are different from the American one.
we are moving closer to a structurally codified duopoly
Not true. It just happens that in the last election we got a more duopolistic parliament than usual. There is no general trend however. Here is the list of all parliament makeups since confederation. You would have to go back to the 1958-1962 parliament for a two official party parliament and even then it was just that the CCF only had 8 MPs and so didn’t have official party status. To find a parliament with legitimately only 2 parties, you have to go all the way back to the 1918-1921 parliament.
Our system consistently produces 3rd and 4th parties, and operates comfortably in minority governments.
To be 100% clear, I am not making a case against proportional representation. It is absolutely the right way to go. Electoral reform is absolutely essential and we should be thiniking out of the box to deepen and strengthen our democratic institutions, e.g., replacing the unelected senate with either a kind of citizen jury via sortition or straight up the Assembly of First Nations (now that would be something :) ) and definitely a massive increase in the number of MPs, to massively increase the winning coaltion (ratio W/S). There is zero reason why 19th century technological constraints (send a bunch of dudes to sit around in a big room) should define what 21st century mass democracy should look like.
What I’m pushing back against is not electoral reform. I’m pushing back on seeing Canadian politics through a US lens. Liberals especially loooove that lens because it means they get to use the craziness of the Poilievrites to blackmail everyone.
Your focus on seat counts and minority governments mistakes formal parliamentary diversity for actual ideological divergence on the economy. Having four or five parties in the House of Commons doesn’t mean we have economic diversity. If you look at actual policy outputs over the last forty years rather than just seat distributions, the structural drift toward corporate entrenchment and laissez-faire logic is undeniable.
Take the corporate tax trajectory as a prime example. Since the 1980s, corporate tax cuts have been a steady, multi-decade bipartisan project. The federal general corporate income tax rate sat around 36 percent in the early 80s, got slashed to 21 percent under Chrétien and Martin, and was cut down to 15 percent under Harper, which is exactly where the Trudeau Liberals have comfortably left it for the last decade. The structural tax burden has systematically shifted away from capital regardless of who is in power.
On top of that, Canada’s economy is defined by heavily consolidated, state-protected cartels in banking, telecoms, and grocery retail. The actual mechanics of our government, including the Competition Bureau, routinely greenlight massive anti-competitive mergers like Rogers and Shaw that further entrench corporate power. Third parties occasionally extract minor social concessions in minority scenarios, but they never fundamentally challenge this corporate architecture.
The evolution toward laissez-faire in Canada doesn’t look like an overnight elimination of the state anyway. It looks like the marketization of it. Look at the creation of the Canada Infrastructure Bank, which was explicitly designed to route public infrastructure projects through private finance so institutional investors can extract profit from public goods.
Dismissing any critique as just looking through a US lens ignores the highly specific flavor of Canadian corporate capture. Our hyper-financialized housing market, driven by federal tax structures that heavily favor Real Estate Investment Trusts, and our deep structural reliance on heavily subsidized resource extraction industries are uniquely Canadian economic realities.
A parliament can be as multi-party and fluid as it wants on paper. But if every configuration yields the same macroeconomic results of deregulation, corporate tax minimization, protected oligopolies, and the financialization of public assets, then the system is functionally operating primarily in the service of corporate interests.
Dismissing any critique as just looking through a US lens
Lemme stop you right there. I don’t «dismiss any critique.» I very specifically clarified that my pushback is against a particular Liberal narrative. I’m not here to die on some hill defending Canadian institutions.
Outside of the Liberal narrative, I don’t know if we ultimately disagree in any kind of profoundly irreconcilable way. We agree on like 99% of stuff. I have zero debate about your diagnosis of the morbidities of the Canadian system.
But empirically, the claim that «we are moving closer to a structurally codified duopoly» just doesn’t hold up. Yes, it is true that our multiparty system does have a narrow overton window of economic policy, but that’s not a «structurally codified duopoly». You are describing elite consensus/corporate capture, not duopoly. There is no inexorable march towards a Democrats-vs-Republicans system.
The distinction matters by the way. Because if the problem is a structural duopoly, the solution is mainly electoral-system reform. (And yes, of course I support that.)
But if the problem is a narrow economic Overton window under conditions of corporate power, then PR helps but is not a solution. We also need labour power, movement infrastructure, public-interest media, anti-monopoly policy, campaign finance pressure, tenant organization, public banking, serious tax reform, and parties willing to fight capital rather than merely manage its tantrums.
Fair enough, we agree on the diagnosis of corporate capture and the narrow economic Overton window. But where you see a distinct difference between “corporate capture” and a “structurally codified duopoly,” I see the former actively manufacturing the latter as a defensive strategy.
The mechanism driving us toward a de facto duopoly isn’t just legal architecture; it’s the deliberate, psychological radicalization of the electorate into strategic voting over idealistic voting. When the corporate-backed center and right consistently weaponize the “lesser of two evils” narrative, they intentionally starve third parties of oxygen. By scaring the population into believing that a vote for anyone outside the top two is a wasted vote that guarantees the “worst-case scenario,” they effectively collapse a multi-party space into a two-party reality.
This psychological funneling has the exact same structural utility as a codified duopoly. Once the electorate is successfully housebroken into accepting that only two parties can ever realistically hold power, it facilitates resistance-free codification of the corporate agenda. If power only ever fluctuates between two predictable managers who both agree on the foundational tenets of neoliberalism, like the tax cuts and oligopoly protections we just talked about, then capital never faces a true existential threat.
You are completely right that fixing this requires labor power, tenant organization, and aggressive anti-monopoly policy rather than just electoral reform. But we can’t build that movement infrastructure effectively if the political imagination of the public is perpetually trapped in a strategic voting loop. The de facto duopoly is the fortress that protects the elite consensus, and breaking the psychological hold of strategic voting is the first step to tearing it down.
If only the right had as much ideological infighting as the left. They may be hateful bigoted nationalists but they form a united front while we’re bickering over parliamentary minutiae.
I’m mad that the ONLY choices available in Canada are bigots and corporate shills.
That’s not true. We don’t live in a two party presidential system, we live in a multiparty parliamentary system.
In your life time, have you seen anyone other than an LPC or Conservative Party as Prim toe minister? Because I haven’t and I’m 45 years old.
Oh wait you haven’t
literally Robert Borden formed the Unionist party because he needed support for Conscription in 1917.
It was a party of both Conservatives and Pro Conscription Liberals.
That was literally more than a century ago.
That’s a separate question. And the fact that we’ve had something like 15 minority governments in our history is proof that being PM is not the same as a president and that smaller parties matter. That’s literally how the NDP pushed universal healthcare through a Pearson minority and partial dental/pharma through a Trudeau minority.
Again, I’m not arguing in favour of the status quo, quite the opposite, see my response further down the thread. I’m just saying our system has its own structure and its dynamics are different from the American one.
Without proportional representation we are moving closer to a structurally codified duopoly like the US with every election.
It doesn’t matter how our current electoral system is SUPPOSED to work; POSIWID.
Not true. It just happens that in the last election we got a more duopolistic parliament than usual. There is no general trend however. Here is the list of all parliament makeups since confederation. You would have to go back to the 1958-1962 parliament for a two official party parliament and even then it was just that the CCF only had 8 MPs and so didn’t have official party status. To find a parliament with legitimately only 2 parties, you have to go all the way back to the 1918-1921 parliament.
Our system consistently produces 3rd and 4th parties, and operates comfortably in minority governments.
To be 100% clear, I am not making a case against proportional representation. It is absolutely the right way to go. Electoral reform is absolutely essential and we should be thiniking out of the box to deepen and strengthen our democratic institutions, e.g., replacing the unelected senate with either a kind of citizen jury via sortition or straight up the Assembly of First Nations (now that would be something :) ) and definitely a massive increase in the number of MPs, to massively increase the winning coaltion (ratio W/S). There is zero reason why 19th century technological constraints (send a bunch of dudes to sit around in a big room) should define what 21st century mass democracy should look like.
What I’m pushing back against is not electoral reform. I’m pushing back on seeing Canadian politics through a US lens. Liberals especially loooove that lens because it means they get to use the craziness of the Poilievrites to blackmail everyone.
Your focus on seat counts and minority governments mistakes formal parliamentary diversity for actual ideological divergence on the economy. Having four or five parties in the House of Commons doesn’t mean we have economic diversity. If you look at actual policy outputs over the last forty years rather than just seat distributions, the structural drift toward corporate entrenchment and laissez-faire logic is undeniable.
Take the corporate tax trajectory as a prime example. Since the 1980s, corporate tax cuts have been a steady, multi-decade bipartisan project. The federal general corporate income tax rate sat around 36 percent in the early 80s, got slashed to 21 percent under Chrétien and Martin, and was cut down to 15 percent under Harper, which is exactly where the Trudeau Liberals have comfortably left it for the last decade. The structural tax burden has systematically shifted away from capital regardless of who is in power.
On top of that, Canada’s economy is defined by heavily consolidated, state-protected cartels in banking, telecoms, and grocery retail. The actual mechanics of our government, including the Competition Bureau, routinely greenlight massive anti-competitive mergers like Rogers and Shaw that further entrench corporate power. Third parties occasionally extract minor social concessions in minority scenarios, but they never fundamentally challenge this corporate architecture.
The evolution toward laissez-faire in Canada doesn’t look like an overnight elimination of the state anyway. It looks like the marketization of it. Look at the creation of the Canada Infrastructure Bank, which was explicitly designed to route public infrastructure projects through private finance so institutional investors can extract profit from public goods.
Dismissing any critique as just looking through a US lens ignores the highly specific flavor of Canadian corporate capture. Our hyper-financialized housing market, driven by federal tax structures that heavily favor Real Estate Investment Trusts, and our deep structural reliance on heavily subsidized resource extraction industries are uniquely Canadian economic realities.
A parliament can be as multi-party and fluid as it wants on paper. But if every configuration yields the same macroeconomic results of deregulation, corporate tax minimization, protected oligopolies, and the financialization of public assets, then the system is functionally operating primarily in the service of corporate interests.
Lemme stop you right there. I don’t «dismiss any critique.» I very specifically clarified that my pushback is against a particular Liberal narrative. I’m not here to die on some hill defending Canadian institutions.
Outside of the Liberal narrative, I don’t know if we ultimately disagree in any kind of profoundly irreconcilable way. We agree on like 99% of stuff. I have zero debate about your diagnosis of the morbidities of the Canadian system.
But empirically, the claim that «we are moving closer to a structurally codified duopoly» just doesn’t hold up. Yes, it is true that our multiparty system does have a narrow overton window of economic policy, but that’s not a «structurally codified duopoly». You are describing elite consensus/corporate capture, not duopoly. There is no inexorable march towards a Democrats-vs-Republicans system.
The distinction matters by the way. Because if the problem is a structural duopoly, the solution is mainly electoral-system reform. (And yes, of course I support that.)
But if the problem is a narrow economic Overton window under conditions of corporate power, then PR helps but is not a solution. We also need labour power, movement infrastructure, public-interest media, anti-monopoly policy, campaign finance pressure, tenant organization, public banking, serious tax reform, and parties willing to fight capital rather than merely manage its tantrums.
Fair enough, we agree on the diagnosis of corporate capture and the narrow economic Overton window. But where you see a distinct difference between “corporate capture” and a “structurally codified duopoly,” I see the former actively manufacturing the latter as a defensive strategy.
The mechanism driving us toward a de facto duopoly isn’t just legal architecture; it’s the deliberate, psychological radicalization of the electorate into strategic voting over idealistic voting. When the corporate-backed center and right consistently weaponize the “lesser of two evils” narrative, they intentionally starve third parties of oxygen. By scaring the population into believing that a vote for anyone outside the top two is a wasted vote that guarantees the “worst-case scenario,” they effectively collapse a multi-party space into a two-party reality.
This psychological funneling has the exact same structural utility as a codified duopoly. Once the electorate is successfully housebroken into accepting that only two parties can ever realistically hold power, it facilitates resistance-free codification of the corporate agenda. If power only ever fluctuates between two predictable managers who both agree on the foundational tenets of neoliberalism, like the tax cuts and oligopoly protections we just talked about, then capital never faces a true existential threat.
You are completely right that fixing this requires labor power, tenant organization, and aggressive anti-monopoly policy rather than just electoral reform. But we can’t build that movement infrastructure effectively if the political imagination of the public is perpetually trapped in a strategic voting loop. The de facto duopoly is the fortress that protects the elite consensus, and breaking the psychological hold of strategic voting is the first step to tearing it down.
If only the right had as much ideological infighting as the left. They may be hateful bigoted nationalists but they form a united front while we’re bickering over parliamentary minutiae.
As a leftist that’s just me playing nice. I suspect you would find my ideal solutions… unpalatable.