Democracy means you have the freedom to elect a fascist government if you want to, and that’s exactly what the American people have done. They exercised their freedom to choose Trump over Harris.
American people don’t get very many freedoms. They don’t get the freedom to vote third party. They don’t get the freedom to vote “neither of the above”. They don’t get the freedom to use the popular vote. But they do get the freedom to choose between the two big candidates, and that’s the freedom they exercised.
That’s because you have to show up and show up in numbers. Too many on the left cry about not having a perfect candidate, don’t show up, and then wonder why the Dems keep going right when the left doesn’t show up. Then, surprise, they have no representation and throw away 20 years of progress.
I don’t care for Biden or trump, but I wasn’t dumb enough not to see where we are right now before the vote was cast, so I showed up. So many stayed home that trump got elected with the popular vote despite not getting many more votes than he did last time.
But hey, we didn’t vote in the woman who had some bad policies and could be worked with because one bad policy was worth throwing everything away. So we got the country we collectively voted (or sat out) for
We do though. We’re roughly a third of the voters in primaries.
You don’t show up in the general, so primary participation is a participation trophy. Trump wasn’t on the ballot, so that’s pretty much meaningless in the concept of defensive voting or the actual subject of the conversation. When Trump was in the ballot, the left was comparatively absent. 6.25M fewer people showed up, so objectively they didn’t show up.
I’m not knocking participating in the primary, I do it every time I can. But if that’s the extent of 'showing up, you’re not doing much more than telling yourself you participated so you don’t feel guilty about it.
Okay, sure. You can let the fascists turn America into a monarchy and find out if a communist revolution is easier in a monarchy than a neoliberal capitalist democracy. That’s clearly what you want to happen.
find out if a communist revolution is easier in a monarchy than a neoliberal capitalist democracy
I don’t think it is but people like you set yourself in opposition to any radical change so long as you live in the comfort of a neoliberal capitalist democracy. See the problem?
For example, I was in full favor of the rail strike back in 2022. Sure it’s no revolution, but shutting down railways certainly would have been radical and led to some powerful concessions being made by oligarchs to American workers. And let me guess, you opposed the strike and supported Joe Biden, 44 Democratic senators and 36 Republican senators who decided to block it right?
So it’s not me who’s choosing revolution under monarchy instead of neoliberal capitalist democracy.
I was actually pretty furious with AOC for voting to force an end to the strike.
Hold on.
I haven’t seen you say you were furious with Biden, Schumer or any Democratic Senators.
This is the first time you say you were furious with a Democratic politician and you choose AOC. Seems suspicious you call out a progressive of all people. Where’s your fury at Biden or the 44 Democratic senators who voted to block the rail strike?
Comes off like you’re happy to talk about being furious at a progressive because you don’t care if people vote for her. But you want people to vote for strike blocking, genocide supporting trash like Biden so you conveniently never express your fury at him.
Prove me wrong. Talk about how furious you are at Biden for blocking the rail strike. Talk about how furious you are at Schumer for blocking the rail strike.
Do you understand cause and effect? I’m pointing out there were cracks in the supposed strategy to keep Trump out of office. Some of those cracks were instances where Joe Biden went against the sentiments of his own voters and sabotaged his own chances at reelection.
They went out of their way to express they were furious at AOC for her part in blocking the rail strike but not Joe Biden, the president of the United States. You don’t think that’s odd?
Democracy means you have the freedom to elect a fascist government if you want to, and that’s exactly what the American people have done. They exercised their freedom to choose Trump over Harris.
American people don’t get very many freedoms. They don’t get the freedom to vote third party. They don’t get the freedom to vote “neither of the above”. They don’t get the freedom to use the popular vote. But they do get the freedom to choose between the two big candidates, and that’s the freedom they exercised.
You very much can vote for an alternative party in the United States. I have voted Green in several elections.
If that’s all democracy is then it’s benefits have been vastly overstated and I see no reason to protect it.
Where did they say that’s all it was?
Then tell me what benefits I’m supposed to enjoy. Because representation apparently isn’t on the table.
That’s because you have to show up and show up in numbers. Too many on the left cry about not having a perfect candidate, don’t show up, and then wonder why the Dems keep going right when the left doesn’t show up. Then, surprise, they have no representation and throw away 20 years of progress.
I don’t care for Biden or trump, but I wasn’t dumb enough not to see where we are right now before the vote was cast, so I showed up. So many stayed home that trump got elected with the popular vote despite not getting many more votes than he did last time.
But hey, we didn’t vote in the woman who had some bad policies and could be worked with because one bad policy was worth throwing everything away. So we got the country we collectively voted (or sat out) for
We do though. We were roughly a third of the voters in the 2020 Democratic primaries and that number has probably gone up.
You don’t show up in the general, so primary participation is a participation trophy. Trump wasn’t on the ballot, so that’s pretty much meaningless in the concept of defensive voting or the actual subject of the conversation. When Trump was in the ballot, the left was comparatively absent. 6.25M fewer people showed up, so objectively they didn’t show up.
I’m not knocking participating in the primary, I do it every time I can. But if that’s the extent of 'showing up, you’re not doing much more than telling yourself you participated so you don’t feel guilty about it.
That would mean Biden won the 2020 general election without us.
Gee, I guess showing up once makes up for the election on either side.
I guess the better statement is you only show up when convenient. Which is the same compliment I hear from the left about the Dems lol
Okay, sure. You can let the fascists turn America into a monarchy and find out if a communist revolution is easier in a monarchy than a neoliberal capitalist democracy. That’s clearly what you want to happen.
I don’t think it is but people like you set yourself in opposition to any radical change so long as you live in the comfort of a neoliberal capitalist democracy. See the problem?
For example, I was in full favor of the rail strike back in 2022. Sure it’s no revolution, but shutting down railways certainly would have been radical and led to some powerful concessions being made by oligarchs to American workers. And let me guess, you opposed the strike and supported Joe Biden, 44 Democratic senators and 36 Republican senators who decided to block it right?
So it’s not me who’s choosing revolution under monarchy instead of neoliberal capitalist democracy.
It’s you.
Nah, you’re way off. I was actually pretty furious with AOC for voting to force an end to the strike.
Your problem is, you see everyone else as an enemy, and assume all kinds of nonsense about them out of fear.
Hold on.
I haven’t seen you say you were furious with Biden, Schumer or any Democratic Senators.
This is the first time you say you were furious with a Democratic politician and you choose AOC. Seems suspicious you call out a progressive of all people. Where’s your fury at Biden or the 44 Democratic senators who voted to block the rail strike?
Comes off like you’re happy to talk about being furious at a progressive because you don’t care if people vote for her. But you want people to vote for strike blocking, genocide supporting trash like Biden so you conveniently never express your fury at him.
Prove me wrong. Talk about how furious you are at Biden for blocking the rail strike. Talk about how furious you are at Schumer for blocking the rail strike.
Are you five? Because you talk like a five year old who thinks throwing a tantrum works.
I mean the rest of us learned that it just makes things worse by eight years old. (Hint: things are much worse now)
Lol. Caught ya.
Why is that relevant? To the concentration camps and death squads we are dealing with today?
Do you understand cause and effect? I’m pointing out there were cracks in the supposed strategy to keep Trump out of office. Some of those cracks were instances where Joe Biden went against the sentiments of his own voters and sabotaged his own chances at reelection.
Why are you telling me, a voter this? What am I supposed to do with that information?
That information for for democrat electeds and their consultants.
Voters decide among the options presented. They don’t decide how the campaigns are run. Are you suggesting I start a new political party?
You asked me a question and I answered. I don’t know what else to tell you.
Because the other poster wasn’t explicitly furious with Biden over rail workers or some nonsense.
Hard to get worked up of this when the competition is trying to enact a new halocaust and only failing due to incompetence.
The competition is back in power because Joe Biden sabotaged his own chances at re-election by making voters he was depending on furious with him.
They went out of their way to express they were furious at AOC for her part in blocking the rail strike but not Joe Biden, the president of the United States. You don’t think that’s odd?