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The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. Also, happy Pride Month, peeps)
In Buttcoin related news, apparently Michael J. Saylor has sold some of his bitcoins because he was running out of money and we reached sub 60k. For a quick non dutch source on the selling see this from r/buttcoin (last image). 32 bitcoin was enough to cause a crash. Imagine if Satoshis bitcoins ever moved.
S&P have decided not to allow SpaceX early entry into the index after all https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/sp-global-keeps-fast-entry-proposal-unchanged-spacex-listing-looms-2026-06-04/
“To be included in the S&P 500, a company must be profitable under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles in its most recent quarter as well as for the sum of its most recent four quarters, according to one of the rules S&P left unchanged.”
OpenAI and Anthropic right now: oh no
Part of me wants to believe the whole S&P special treatment announcement was designed to bait them into disclosing numbers, but the more realistic side of me believes this is a nervous backpedal because they’ve realized the inevitable consequences of allowing this blunder to play out in full.
A company has to disclose a lot of numbers backed by serious legal penalties before an IPO.
Whenever a stock market has gone up 29% in a year and a New Era story is circulating, people with corner offices and Savile Row suite start to do stupid ****. I think that is why financiers started to bend the rules.
To be included in the S&P 500, a company must be profitable
This is just discrimination. Is S&P scared of innovation? HFSP
“Claude, draw me a slide to advertise Claude. Make sure to use the word “Claude” 17 times.”
“You got it boss”
Spoiler for obviously AI generated image because really who wants to see that nonsense anymore
Mention “workflow” in a prompt and Claude will dynamically create an orchestration plan that it strictly follows, allowing you to confidently trust that every stage happens in the right order even across 100s of agents.
Previously, on Lobsters, we considered the degree to which Claude Code is configured via hard prompts instead of something more effective. Claude Code also often gets confused about its status in its internal workflow, the one which multiplexes chain-of-thought utterances (“thinking”), user input, and generated output (“confabulated bullshit”). Next time Claude Code source is leaked, I expect that we’ll see how poorly it “strictly follows” user-provided workflows, too.
Malkovich?
Malkovich Malkovich!
Oops! All Claude
Nightmare blunt rotation
Off-topic but this seems like a place that appreciates an insane legal dispute: https://www.techdirt.com/2026/06/02/everyone-in-this-lego-dispute-should-have-spoken-to-a-lawyer-earlier-than-they-did/
If Schneider had talked to a lawyer before doing half of what he did, he might have accomplished more with less collateral damage. Though it might not have made such “good content.”
Congratulations, Mike! You figured out why pranktubers do pranks and post videos of those pranks! It’s for clicks and attention and ad money. You’re such a smart guy, Mike.
All summaries of this topic are going to get a lot of things wrong because they are legislating too many details. We can simplify this to what actually matters: a pranktuber got a lot of footage of legal First Amendment activity and they are going to use it to simultaneously destroy a mid-sized Lego pawn-shop franchise and extract a settlement from the police department of American Fork, Utah. In the process, they revealed that there is a whisper network of Mormon good old boys who will willingly lie on police reports, escalate situations to violence, abuse the legal system in any way they can to disenfranchise others, and generally don’t feel any fealty towards the Constitution or its rule of law. This story is about MLM: Mormon Lego Mafia.
The article collects a lot of information, and isn’t out right wrong, but I find the author under-sympathetic to someone that didn’t have the financial resources to challenge a corrupt corporation and decided going viral was their best bet. Also, I find the author’s language in a comment:
if you put yourself in the cops shoes (something I wouldn’t necessarily recommend doing) they show up and from their vantage point it’s a bunch of rowdy out of town youtuber influencer kids against local homeowners in the community.
Is grossly too sympathetic to cops. The author is basically rationalizing and portraying sympathetically the way cops side with wealth and capital over the actual law.
Heck I’m not sympathetic to local homeowners and I’m a local homeowner. We suck. At least I’m not a cop.
They want to build a Woe Engine next to our zoo.
https://www.change.org/p/nashville-zoo-says-no-to-proposed-data-center
I’m sure the tigers won’t be driven to a homicidal rage by the incessant Hummmmm.
It’s so dumb that I wonder if it’s some sort of profile-raising stunt.
CW M:tG weirdo Zvi’s slobsack + Xhitter references, but he accuses an OpenAI / Palantir-funded PAC boosting a fake “AI doomer” account calling for violence:
ed zitron went on bloomberg podcasts, these might be actual end times
these might be actual end times
Good thing all those CEOs have Daddy Trump to run to while everyone else foots their bill
Maybe that why it’s felt like he’s been somewhat more polite and explanatory of required knowledge in his latest posts.
I’ve got to give it to him, he found a winner and didn’t give up.
Not that this is news to anyone here but hey there’s a bubble
Time for another once in a lifetime financial crisis.
On Anthropic (and some other AI companies) and AI consciousness the final paragraph is the best part:
”Moreover, we should be skeptical when most of the noise on this topic is coming from the industry itself. Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has repeatedly dangled the possibility of AI consciousness in interviews. And his company’s research frequently makes bold claims about their models showing humanlike behavior, such as supposedly harboring “emotions.” Just remember that it’s easier for AI companies to string us along with wild Skynet doomsday scenarios instead of confronting the tech’s far mundane consequences currently playing out before our eyes.”
Can’t believe that these guys are forgetting Data on Star Trek needed an emotion-chip upgrade to feel emotions, and he didn’t even get it full-time until the series was over and they were doing movies. Dario and friends are just giving away what could be an entire upgrade/upcharge cycle! “Be more intimate than ever with your workflows! Upgrade to feeling agents on FeelsCloud today! (ignore that it’s just some bullshit we vibecoded in Verilog and then flashed to discount FPGAs we shoved in the bottom of the server racks)”
Around 4 years ago Google fired Blake Lemoine for saying that AI has feelings - which he testified was because when he spoke to it it just seemed to be intelligent.
He found Lamda showed self-awareness and could hold conversations about religion, emotions and fears. This led Mr Lemoine to believe that behind its impressive verbal skills might also lie a sentient mind.
Today’s tech has not fundamentally changed or evolved but the difference is that now the industry needs the hype to keep the valuation high!
CW: USA Politics
That suppressed Democratic National Committe 2024 “postmortem” report turns out to have been pure slop, with essentially no references and entirely made-up charts and plots while also missing entire sections. The author can produce exactly zero interview transcripts or source data. It also neglects interrogating failures in addressing trans rights, the genocide in Gaza, or the affordability crisis.
The podcast “It Could Happen Here” does a good job of analysis (disgusted), but long-time sneerers will feel the futility of getting into the weeds on an extruded textual artifact:
Tl:dl the deeply institutionalist DNC chairman appointed his best buddy to the job with zero oversight, and this was the result.
Heartbreaking: the worst state actually has a point. I fully expected this to be some unhinged nonsense about how chatGPT is too woke or something, but they’re actually articulating some of the real harms pretty clearly. I’m not sure how well that translates to a theory of law that openAI can’t weasel their way out of, but I’m actually rooting for the Florida Men here, at least tentatively.
Still a fuck-everyone-involved but not as much as the Elon suit.
lesswrong continues to mix sinophobia in with its AI crithype: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/nmpzH6sLLtKsQhSPM/china-won-t-win-the-ai-race-but-would-it-be-much-worse-if-it
Previously, on awful.system: https://awful.systems/post/4103825
This article has the highlight of identifying the horrible cynical dystopian move of China’s government in response to AI and LLMs of… checks notes… protecting worker rights and workers from mass firings
“An arbitration panel ruled in favor of a map data collector whose entire department was laid off and replaced with artificial intelligence. The panel found that the company’s adoption of A.I. was a voluntary move to remain competitive and did not warrant the employee’s firing. Companies that benefit from technology must, at the same time, adopt “social responsibilities” and protect worker rights, the panel ruled.”
The author feels the need to emphasize how bad China is.
There are quite a few examples of the Chinese state punishing people for speaking out about true problems.
There is Li Wenliang, a doctor who posted to a group chat about COVID before it was officially acknowledged and was forced to sign a police document admitting he had broken a law by spreading false rumours. His reprimand was later withdrawn.
The advantage of the US system appears to be a greater ability to be transparent, in particular for a concerned person in the know to blow the whistle publicly.
Hahaha, no… For example, in Florida, DeSantis has the home of a fired state worker raided for her accessing her old work email (trying to collect accurate COVID numbers, iirc).
This lesswronger is so close to getting it but doesn’t quite make the leap to ‘are we the baddies’. They list out some bad ways the US has used AI and they do acknowledge
But I’m very aware that I’ve been inculcated in a media and cultural environment that says, in its most kind form, be suspicious of non-Western states.
But somehow hold out on actually changing there mind or overcoming their biases.
Re: the usa and whistleblowers.
At least there are some corrections about this in the comments right? The comments are not just agi fears and sinophobia right?
Narrator: … You sweet summer child.
The comments are not just agi fears and sinophobia right?
Lol the OP was actually being contrarian (to the standard lesswrong attitude) by even vaguely half-assedly considering that the US media may have created a biased narrative that should be questioned.
Speaking of Aella (I really shouldn’t), many have probably already seen this Liberal Currents article that leans heavily on her web-survey sex research dataset:
https://www.liberalcurrents.com/the-interracial-cuck-porn-theory-of-everything/
The publication seems to have plenty of traction on Bluesky, for what that’s worth, but I think this particular example needs to be retained as an exhibit of the hazards of rehabilitating American liberalism. A low-level affinity for the existing tech industry is always there, as its growth underlaid the benefits that make liberalism appealing. And that means the doorway for entryism by the tech-fascist freaks is always open, and then you’re never more than a couple fundraising cycles (whether electoral or investment) away from being right back in this exact same mess.
Edit / the author of the article “is an economics student at George Mason University with interests in tax policy, immigration, and housing. He normally posts about politics on X and Bluesky and occasionally writes long-form articles and essays on his Substack.” So he has probably taken a class with Robin Hanson.
As a palette cleanser to the messed up people on social media and in web magazines, I recommend reading Bob Altemeyer’s book on the sex lives of students at a minor Canadian university. https://www.lulu.com/shop/bob-altemeyer/sex-and-youth/paperback/product-4414777.html People who search tube sites or fill out sexuality quizzes from an influencer are not typical people any more than Wikipedia editors are.
Shang Tsung contracting anemia after devouring too many
souls.md“I personally worry that the EA community has over-learned the lessons of FTX”
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/95NgkvZKJx8tJbtn5/lighthaven-east-a-feasibility-study
Makes you wonder how much of rationalism is just contrarianism.
“EA and Rationalist policy organizations are scaling in DC”
Just a reminder that the rationalists already own two event spaces in the Bay Area and the Effective Altruists briefly owned one in England and one in the Czech Republic as well as an institute at Oxford University. Both of their existing spaces are losing money and had to beg for it last winter.
“This project needs a champion, but it’s a thing someone can simply choose to do” sounds very different when it means “you can actually try slacklining with the cool strangers in the park” and when it means “someone could lend us another $20 million for 20 years on easy terms.” And seeing the lesson of FTX as “don’t look weird” not “effective altruists are fraudsters and hypocrites” is a take.
That’s OK, the next set of bankruptcy lawyers will again conduct clawbacks
A second vibecoded Aella website has hit the building
there’s a lot of ladies i know without guys, but who want kids. and i go ‘would you accept some rich guy paying u a ton of money to just have his kid as a single parent’ and they’re like ‘idk man prob not’ and im like ‘waht if it was 5m’ and they’re all magically like ‘oh yeah i would do it’
so i made a directory for this, but i am trying to find ladies who would actually like to list themselves with their moonshot baby-funding goal. if u know anybody who wouldn’t mind making a profile pls let me know, i wanna publicize the directory but need enough seeded ladies first
Jeffrey Epstein fantasized about something very similar. Gwern has a blog post about a sperm bank which promised to accept only the highest-quality donations.
A man who wants to knock up as many women as possible is definitely trustworthy ladies and you should definitely make him the father of your kids 👍
No way the facilitator will ever accrue any liability or get subpoenaed when the civil lawsuits (or worse) start flying!
Claude, write me an ironclad legal disclaimer, maybe something about this being for entertainment purposes only
Well that’s one way to do seed funding.
was that written specifically for elon musk
Of course, Elon musks superbabies are what going to save us from the acausalrobotgod.
E: im using joking terms here, but this is an idea actually expressed by people at lesswrong.
Sometimes I think it’ll eventually come out that the inner circle rationalists already had a breeding program going by this time, deliberately mix and matching possibly oblivious parents according to desired characteristics like increased ability to mentally rotate shapes or an above average polymarket win/loss ratio, and there will be at least a few kids that will grow up having to deal with that shit.
considering how much their philosophy aligns with the plot of dune, i’m afraid you may be right
their philosophy aligns with the plot of dune
Only in the Torment Nexus sense. Like, in the original books it takes 4000 years of tragedy and sacrifice at an immense scale to somewhat unfuck the direct implications of said breeding program and ensure humanity’s continued existence.
edit: also the genetic engineering enthusiast faction/race are absolutely never presented in a good light.
the 4000 years of necessary tragedy and sacrifice, aka the golden path, is also remarkably similar to the rationalists’ teleology! specifically the longtermist stuff! i.e. it’s okay to sacrifice lives today to ensure humanity’s survival.
i think herbert’s feelings about breeding programs are … complicated. he never presents it as ethical but he does seem fascinated by the concept and he’s very very into the idea of forging supermen from extreme environmental pressure. like “comes up several times per book” levels of fascinated.
the 4000 years of necessary tragedy and sacrifice, aka the golden path, is also remarkably similar to the rationalists’ teleology! specifically the longtermist stuff! i.e. it’s okay to sacrifice lives today to ensure humanity’s survival.
Only in the broadest sense where humanity survives into the far future by spreading so far and wide that no matter the scale of a catastrophe a significant part will always continue to thrive.
However, where longtermism is about papercliping the entire universe into compute to fulfil some vague utilitarian notion of virtual happiness quota, the GP seems to be more about crippling the substructure that ostensibly causes humanity again and again be reduced to the whims of some supreme authority, be it the automated thinking machines from their past or their current much harder to escape succession of psychic tyrants let loose by selectively breeding for something humanity had absolutely no natural defence against.
The GP isn’t even a utopia, it’s a response to an immediate incredibly out of the box problem, the inevitability of an eventual dynasty of space wizard genghis khans.
i think herbert’s feelings about breeding programs are … complicated. he never presents it as ethical but he does seem fascinated by the concept and he’s very very into the idea of forging supermen from extreme environmental pressure. like “comes up several times per book” levels of fascinated.
I think they come second to his concerns about ecology and humanity’s relation to the environment. Post-desert fremen are basically water-fat cosplayers, and in general, other than the deliberately paradigm shattering kwisatz haderach, the end product of genetic adjustment are never presented as an apex for humanity, more like a good fit for their niche, like how post-emperor fish-speakers either peter-out or get subsumed by other factions.
No, the golden path isn’t a utopia! It’s the necessary breaking of eggs to make the survival of humanity omelet. It’s sort of a more twisted version of Asimov’s Foundation carried entirely in the mind of a being with perfect knowledge of causality. The details of the plot don’t necessarily map neatly, but the aesthetics, the fantasy, the torture-versus-dust-specksness of it is what the rationalists are all about. (Another wrinkle is that in Dune I believe [haven’t read beyond godemperor] ultimately the solution is to create a being that escapes prophecy, a neat little transcendent conjuration. Solving alignment doesn’t quite have the same oomph but it is also essentially a magic trick you can do if your freethinking and selfreliance stats are high enough. Also remember Rat!Harry’s patronus is a Human! Benevolent AI should be seen as the liberated, transcendent form of the human mind.)
Have you read the Dosadi Experiment? It’s a very strange book and a good way to get a high dose of Herbert’s obsessions from a new perspective.
To be clear I love Dune, and I find Herbert fascinating because his ideas always find themselves in tension and are often baffling and muddled enough to provoke entertaining discussion. But the more you scratch the more unambiguously evil he is.
Nerding out about Dune is tremendously cool, you can pick any thread to pull and it always goes somewhere.
The details of the plot don’t necessarily map neatly, but the aesthetics, the fantasy, the torture-versus-dust-specksness of it is what the rationalists are all about.
Isn’t aspiring for the aesthetics while ignoring the (admittedly heavily lore driven and not especially applicable to irl) substance exactly what the torment nexus meme is about though? Except I don’t think there is a dust-speckness aspect to the GP, you aren’t future-human-population-maxxing1, the point seems to be to ensure there is a future where humanity’s collective free will isn’t utterly tethered to a prescient autocrat2, and the prescriptive aspect is that we should be part of an open system instead of say locked in with the great man of history du jour, which is also in keeping with the ecological framing.
It’s been a while but I don’t think the Golden Path is even that front and center in the text, Dune 4: GEOD is basically a character study on the God emperor, who is one of the most unique and fascinating characters in sci-fi3.
I think this is why the GP is a TINA situation by authorial decree, it’s Frank Herbert going listen, I’m doing my best to write a suicidal rebirth god archetype as a layered and relatable-yet-utterly-othered character, you are not supposed to be worrying that much if there could be a GP-but-liberal with more individual thriving and less oppressive totalitarianism, I assure you he’s thought about it extensively and he thinks there sure can’t and that’s it.
Have you read the Dosadi Experiment? It’s a very strange book and a good way to get a high dose of Herbert’s obsessions from a new perspective.
The Bureau of Saboteurs books along with Godmakers were my favourite non-Dune Herbert books! I also found the Dragon in the Sea fascinating 20 years ago and think I should revisit, and also finally read the follow up collaborations that only seem to be available unofficially. Also The White Plague gave late-teens me nightmares.
I remember Dosadi as being more about FH going all out on the intrigue and deep lore to the point where the latter parts of the book are basically written in innuendo, you are literally expected to read between the lines to understand what the hell is going on, I wish my parents had as much faith in me as Frank Herbert had in his readers.
But the more you scratch the more unambiguously evil he is.
The worst aspects of FH I’m aware of are that he was a shitty fucking parent and hated Iron Maiden, unambiguously evil seems stretching it, unless you were his son.
I think there even is a case to be made about how Frank Herbert is the anti-L. Ron Hubbard, using sci-fi literature as an efficient outlet for his psychedelics/mysticism/ecology/psychosexuality obsession oscilliation and actually leaving a descent literary legacy instead of starting a cult or several, but this post is already running so long it’s starting to need an editor.
- sigh
- This has additional metaphysical implications with how prophecy works in the duniverse, in the sense that it’s not only about being forever in complete submission to Empire in some traditional ultracolonialist sense, you are essentially reduced to just a part of another man’s waking dream as they pick and choose what future track to lock the timeline in.
- And is also the first person narrator of the book. Both the remaining Dune books also switched to full first person point-of-view narration with very little in terms of an omniscient guiding perspective, it’s fairly ambitious actually.
“seeded ladies” I see what you did there
This is what you get when you take Dr. Strangelove (the character in the movie of the same name), Mr. Beast, and a bunch of K and mix it into a slurry and mainline it.
She made it and doesnt even have enough women who want to be listed yet? You would expect ‘the best sex researcher’ in the world to have more reach.
Wonder how many women you can message ‘I offer two fifty’ before you get banned. But im not going to give her an email of mine.
This also must be so bad for the kid.
