• Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    Unions are a great way to organize protests, there is no doubt. That’s why the US has spent decades destroying them through legal and illegal means. Unions are less than 10% of USA workforce, and most of those are cops or government. They are far more likely to be used against any protest in the USA, not the way to organize protests.

    We have many protest movements, but the USA has top-tier surveillance of data since Patriot Act. Your organization is most likely thoroughly infiltrated or even controlled by government actors (Proud Boys are a recent example) if it’s national. The FBI has been doing this since the civil rights movement, now more than ever, and they are very good at this. How do you communicate and orchestrate large movements that are not "approved"and eventually even controlled?

    Also, Bolivia’s geography allows this blockading to work; most large countries can’t duplicate what they are doing to the same effect, too many easy points of access. I expect use of force here by outside actors, I hope I am wrong and the Bolivians succeed.

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      9 hours ago

      Americans would turn this into a three day spectacle with costumes, food stands, and merch booths. Then they’d get bored, consider their civic duty fulfilled, and return home to their jobs and personalized media bubble.

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        personalized media bubble

        So I’m staying at a hotel with the family tonight, and it has cable, which we aren’t used to. We haven’t had cable tv since before they were even born.

        Put a movie on last night. Think it was Toy Story (1) on Freeform. Was definitely freeform.

        Anyways the kids fell asleep and after it was done, the “news” came on.

        At least I thought it was the news.

        And holy shit was their nose so far up Trump’s ass. I’m listening in the background while reading a book and I’m like “lie…lie…half truth…”. Then the sugary sweet pro-Israel rhetoric started.

        Literally every third word was something I had already read something with a completely different, and frankly far more realistic, perspective.

        I had no idea The 700 Club was still on, but the media bubble is absolutely real. And it’s thrown in front of you when you least expect it.

        Ya know, I pay for a news app that many youtubers promote (and I won’t name for sake of not sounding like a shill, but I’m sure many have heard of it). It shows what the media bias is on any given story. As in, how many right-leaning, left-leaning, and centrist news agencies had picked it up.

        And it’s incredibly telling, on any given day, seeing what one side picks up versus the other.

        Here’s some of today’s list…

        Like…honestly, most of the story isn’t even the content at this point, it’s who is reporting in it.

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          Yes! I watched this regularly for many years, it’s an obscenity and unbelievably bat-shit crazy. Christianity has chosen the USA as the final battleground, it seems. The propaganda is off the charts, and think of it being repeated every Sunday in hundreds of thousands of churches filled with home-schooled Christian soldiers.

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        I know you’re probably referring to Occupy. In the aftermath of the 2019 protests in my country I’ve paid a little more attention to the regret in the voices of people who were a part of Occupy. How they thought at the time, how the politics of different participants evolved. I see a lot of parallels there and I don’t think I’m equipped to really get any insight out of that for the future.

        I don’t think it’s a uniquely American thing. Sometimes middle income people who are somewhat insulated from the worst of the system will have a reason to hit the streets. As a controlled fizzle-out of revolution sure it’s something that can never work. But it does break political taboos and exposes dynamics normally buried beneath the weight of “day-to-day” politics. Beirut 2019-2020 was a massive failure, a joke of a protest movement. Some people believably claim it’s the only time 1/5th of the population of a country protested with zero material political change. But I felt like I learned a lot about the social fabric of the country, about the state’s relationship with society, about how old civil war grudges still echo when I thought they wouldn’t.

        Or maybe you’re talking about the 2020 protests in the US. Dancing cops etc. I got nothing for you there chief

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      We’ve tried it a few times and the government just kills its citizens and calls them terrorists. Credit to the bolivian people but standing up to bolivian military and police is just a totally different thing than standing up to us military and police.

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    This is fascinating stuff and I’m so glad you shared this.

    I did some more reading into this and it honestly sounds similar to the way the CIA backed the coupe in Chile.

    The more you think about it the more it makes sense, resources is only one part of this equation but its a huge one. Lithium is critical for electric vehicle batteries, as the US slowly transitions to EVs, securing lithium supplies becomes strategically vital. A US aligned Bolivian government would preferentially sell to US companies at favorable rates rather than China, which is already aggressively buying lithium contracts.

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      God damn it why can’t the CIA back a coup in America.

      Oh. Know what…never mind.

      But your point on resources is spot on. China has been busy colonizing places with lithium deposits and premium sand while we’ve been…ahem…liberating places that have big oil deposits.

      Worse yet, some of our best domestic lithium deposits are in preserved areas. And we still have a decent amount of crude in the ground (albeit, also a lot of it in preserved areas).

      And the crude and lithium that isnt in preserved areas…most of it will still have measurable impact on nearby protected areas just because of what’s involved in transporting it and setting up the infrastructure.

      So yeah… we’re boned. America is pretty much married to oil at this point, until we decided to accept the sunk cost and bow to China…or start spreading democracy to some of these Chinese colonies. And we will probably continue to loosen environmental protections along the way.

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        China isn’t colonizing anywhere, they are investing in local economies and creating good will that leads to favorable, but not exploitative, trade deals.

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          It’s weird how the same people who talk about trade deficits as if they are a bad thing think that a trade deal that favors one side isn’t the exact same thing.

          Following that logic, you would think that the only non-exploitive trade agreement is one that is as at least close to neutral, or at best mutually beneficial.

          But nah.

          Also, who told you they aren’t colonizing anymore, or that the trade deals were “non-exploitive” or that they were “creating good will”?

          You realize that propaganda works both ways, yeah? There’s no truth from anyone anymore. Everything from everyone is a piece agenda-laden propoganda. The powers make themselves look good just as much as they make others look bad.

          So the best you can do is try to look at things holistically and figure out what is real, what’s an embellishment, and what’s a downright lie. This means getting “facts” from multiple places and try to ignore all the emotional language that gets added in by the propogandists.

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          Owning ports and strategic sites globally with deals that force employment of primarily Chinese citizens. Aka “investing in local economies”.

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    Unfortunately, these protests run far deeper than a simple question of union power against a neoliberal government.

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        These protests blocking the highways are largely being orchestated by the major trade union. That part of the article isn’t wrong.

        The short part is: Military tried to coup in 2024. Opposition to the military coup called on unions to strike. They did.

        The coup was an internal split of the ruling coalition, so the current president, from the Christian centrist party, managed to win in 2025. He did not include the trade unions or indigenous people of Bolivia in his government and is turning everything over pretty categorically to American/Epstein class interests. (Wealth taxes cut, restored Israel relations/cut off Cuban relations, etc.)

        So the disenfranchised unions are striking, which is being written off as little more than insurrection from a defeated party that had a split and an attempted coup in 2024.

        You really have to believe and trust the current American government to really critique the protests quite frankly.

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          The short part is: Military tried to coup in 2024. Opposition to the military coup called on unions to strike. They did.

          The coup was an internal split of the ruling coalition, so the current president, from the Christian centrist party, managed to win in 2025.

          You forgot to mention that the current president’s major opponent in the 2025 election wasn’t from the ruling coalition either, because the ruling coalition had so thoroughly discredited itself as a credible ruling body that they won two fucking seats in the legislature in 2025. Nice attempt to paint it as just division and squabbling letting dreaded non-Evoists squeak by with a win.

          Especially notable is ‘The coup was an internal split’, when both sides of the ruling party opposed the coup. It’s just that Evo Morales saw an attempt to attack his ‘ungrateful’ protege by passing along conspiracy theories that the coup was planned all along, and the resultant infighting was enough to effectively electorally destroy the party Morales once led.

          So the disenfranchised unions are striking, which is being written off as little more than insurrection from a defeated party that had a split and an attempted coup in 2024.

          “Striking” is when you and a vast collection of aligned political interests blockade food and medical supplies from reaching urban areas with violence, huh?

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          Thanks. That sounds like a mess. I guess I’m not surprised to learn the US is involved. I hope this works out for them.

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            Well, the United States claims no involvement and the complete capitulation and pivot of policy is just coincidence. But also the US State Department wants to drive wedges into the unions and protests by portraying it as socialist agitation against democracy.

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        Contrary to the claims of ZombiFrancis, whose ignorant campist bootlicking extends to apologia for Russian imperialism and denial of the Uyghur Genocide, the situation is complex.

        Effectively, the current president was elected and entered into office six months ago based explicitly on the centrist promise to end the economic chaos and mismanagement of the previous governments, which had cratered the Bolivian economy. The issue is twofold - first, that the current president is, and largely made no secret of, a centrist neolib. That much is true. Second, that the state of the Bolivian economy was predicated on a complex system of clientism cultivated by the previous strongman president Evo Morales. Essentially, any disruption of the core problems of the economy then disrupt this client network, and there people who have obtained any amount of power and privilege are desperate to hold onto it.

        The current administration has made numerous and notable steps in a dipshit neoliberal direction - including the abolition of several taxes to ‘encourage investment’. As well as that, the current president’s government did not include any indigenous or trade unionists in the cabinet, whereas under the previous government both indigenous and trade unionists were significant partners in governance.

        However, one of the two major sparks in the current blockade of Bolivian cities was the end of fuel subsidies - a massive expense that the Bolivian government literally could not afford, but was maintained by previous governments to keep the loyalty of the previous government’s rural support base. The issue of fuel subsidies has only become more ruinous since the dipshit US-Iranian War, which has driven up fuel prices further. The other major spark was a reform of land law allowing holders of farms to convert them from a ‘protected’ to an ‘unprotected’ status upon a request from the owner, something opposed by the previous government which relied upon the non-transferability of individually-owned plots of land in order to reinforce traditional indigenous social cohesion, regardless of the wishes of the individual who nominally owned it.

        In response to this, significant protests flared up in the countryside, supported by the former president Evo Morales, a rapist and pedophile (ironic that ZombiFrancis attempts to connect the current government to the ‘Epstein class’ in light of this) who attempted an autocoup to stay in power after losing an election in 2019. His successor, Luis Arce, was from the same party and same general political leanings, but did not support Morales returning to power, which earned him Morales’ everlasting enmity, which resulted in a split of Morales and Arces’ party and the utter obliteration of its electoral fortunes in 2025. Morales is currently charged with several counts of child molestation, but has refused to appear in court, protected by his remaining client system of supporters. (Oh, notably, Morales doesn’t deny the accusation - he just says that “There is no crime without a victim” - ie, that the children wanted his pedophilia, so it was okay)

        The land reform law was rescinded as a gesture of good faith, but that was only the spark, not the real cause, and failed to mollify the protesters. Protesters then began to blockade roads to the capital and other major cities - a technique also used by protesters in the country when they attempted to protect the strongman Evo Morales from consequences when he attempted to steal the 2019 presidential election. Evo Morales himself has shown up, rallying his remaining client system to push protests with the sole purpose of having the current president resign, presumably in the hope that he can worm his way back into power.

        At present, three people have died from the protest blockade preventing vital supplies from reaching the cities, and one protester has died in clashes with police. The current administration has refused demands from suffering urban residents to use greater police force on the protesters to open the roads for medicine and food, despite the protesters refusing even this limited ‘humanitarian corridor’ proposal, out of fear of being seen as the aggressor, when a major platform of the current president was the restoration of democratic norms after years of abuse. The administration has announced a willingness to negotiate, but the major leaders of the protests have maintained a hardline position demanding mass rollbacks of policy changes and the resignation of the president, and refused negotiation.

        tl;dr; disphit neoliberal government is elected to fix previous dipshits, does dipshit things in the other direction, announces willingness to compromise when the dipshit policies upset people. Rural client system of the previous party smells blood in the water and blockades major cities in the hope of getting their old power and privileges back after losing the previous election, including some of the few moves of the neolib government that were probably unavoidable. Previous strongman leader of the country who attempted to run for four (illegal) terms despite a plebiscite denying him the ability to change the constitution and allow him to do so is egging on the hardliners and his client systems as best as he can, probably in the hopes of returning to power and/or avoiding his current trial for pedophilia.

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        Bolivia had a leftwing government that got couped in 2019. An opposition politician declared herself president, and gave extraordinary powers to the army. Soldiers and police massacred people, particularly those from indigenous communities. Elections were finally held in 2020, and the leftwing party returned to power.

        In the 2025 elections, Evo Morales, the leader of the leftwing coalition, was disqualified, and a centre-right candidate won. He started selling off public assets to foreign interests. Recently, with US support, he tried to arrest Morales, leading to protests.

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          Oh man I had forgotten about the pink Bible lady. I just can’t keep track of all our goddamned coups in Latin America.

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    You gotta love people lining up in both lanes of this two lane road. I can only imagine people are doing the same on the other side, too.