I don’t want to not be able to have consumer computer parts, although part of me is ready to be done with computers again all together.
In any case, I was just at a Tool collective today to get some tools for a project, and it seems like every time I turn around the solution, or at least mitigation, to this modern world is CO-OP’s. If I can’t have consumer computers and have to use shared resources, I would definitely prefer to do it as a non profit collective with a management board beholden to the members, not a corporate entity.
You can have my PC when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
and also
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
cyberpunk cowabunga it is then
American (maybe more broadly Western) Computer Consumer Products companies are indeed getting fucked.
The thing is, that doesn’t mean that the Future is one were Consumers are forced to not have PCs and have all their computing needs served from Big Companies’ Servers.
I think, going from evidenc of the former to expecting the latter is a jump too far to take since it’s only looking at one side of the equation in one part of the World.
It’s perfectly possible that it’s the Chinese companies that end up gaining from this, similarly to how in the EV space the result of Western auto companies not offering what most consumers actually wanted (which wasn’t a Tesla, since those are too expensive for most people) was that the Chinese created and expanded that industry are now handily outcompetting those Western companies in their home markets.
Chinese parts and Mini-PC (an area where there are still a lot of products well bellow $500) manufacturers are still happilly selling their products to buyers from all over the World on platforms like AliExpress and, as we’ve recently discovered, Chinese memory makers (actual makers using actual chip fabs, not memory module assemblers) are expanding their production and selling more and more product to consumer market module assemblers in China and Taiwan, filling in the void created by the big memory makers focusing on supplying the AI datacenter boom.
(PS: That said, the China side seems to be covered in the video)
Further, there are other natural reactions in other areas which go against a dystopian future of No More Personal in Personal Computing - for example, software makers, most notably game makers, when they’re scoping their products to the computing power that the expect will be available in 5 years, aren’t going to be targetting hardware significativelly more powerful than what is common now (because if they did otherwise their stuff wouldn’t sell), which means that naturally (though with some delay) the demand for more computing power and storage in personal devices is adjusting to the reduced availability of new devices with more storage and computing power, so rather that demand rather than going to go up it’s probably going to stagnate, meaning that the future is most likely one of people running old computers for longer and just repairing what breaks with parts from that generation (one where DDR4 memory is more popular than DDR5) that one where everybody (both consumers and software makers) meekly accepts that the only option is computation running on servers (something which, by the way, game makers have already tried with things like Stadia, which failed miserably).
In summary, yeah the consumer personal computing hardware industry in the West is hurting, but just that is nowhere enough to support this idea that in the Future, Worldwide there will be no more Personal Computers.
(PPS: My expectation of the likely future is probably closest in that video with that of the guy from Corsair).
Is there already x86 silicon from china that is viable? I would hope this at least gives risc architectures a goodd boost, for industry the biggest problem seems to be decent documentation, in embedded stuff hardware on paper often looks good but lacking support can be a huge dealbreaker for developing firmware.
Is there any source for this information that doesn’t constantly attack industry allies and content creators in adjacent channels, that doesn’t have a bombastic and self-aggrandizing view of their role in the cosmos, and that knows where to find some hair clippers, or at least a ponytail scrunchie?
Every video I ever tried to watch of him made me cringe, and I get that we are imperfect vessels deserving of grace, but I’m just not here for all the ambulance chasing and weird factional tiffs this guy kicks off seemingly recreationally.
Weirdly purist about his reviews too, his approach to hardware would ice out so many of us, but I’m not going to trust him to meaningfully democratize access pretty much ever.
edit: down vote away, gents! Just, it would be helpful while you do so, if you can share any other sources for the topic if you’re serious about the cause and not about the character
He talks with people from cooler master, hyte, gskill so I suppose that is where the source information is coming from.
omg corpo simp harder daddy!
Lol. Which Corp am I simping for, when I don’t want to give the youTube neckbeard-in-chief viewership?
What does it mean if I get a bunch of down votes for asking for literally any corroborating or alternative sources?
It means you’re very superficial, and attacking credibility by means of criticizing image and style, a misdirect.
What, do you want an E3 booth babe from 2004 giving you a 30 minute version?
Its original reporting.
They did interviews.
With tons of people… in the industry.
Its a double feature length documentary expose.
There are no alternative sources in this case, because him and his team do original work that no one else does.
If you think Steve is … being needlessly mean, to other dipshits in the space, whom he meticulously documents his well reasoned grievances with…
If you finding him generally ‘cringe’ inducing… inspires you, out of the goodness of your heart, to… consider that all people deserve some grace, even this strangely purist… ambulance chaser…
You have some kind of a parasocial problem, or, you’re just actually one of the people he’s criticized, or you’re in their friend group.
Frame setting? High School level insults used to present yourself as a reasonable truth seeker? Wildly out of touch taste compared to most people actually in the space?
Yep, common tactics and traits of corpos and parasocial obsessive fans alike.
You’re trying to degrade investigative journalism by way of Mean Girls tactics.
You’re using too many buzzwords to not come across as either an insider or one who seeks their validation via emulation.
Eh, call me names all you like. I worked my career in logistics and don’t have the industry ties you credit me with, but kudos.
Coincidentally 2004 was the only E3 I ever got to attend. I was an LA resident and another student in the grad school where I was an undergrad had a spare media badge.
Today? I don’t let Newscorp or MSNow into my home, I don’t eat Nestlé product, I don’t let Mr Nexus get my clicks, I don’t know who half the “influencer” personalities are but I don’t call them journalists no matter how many lightning bolts they put in their thumbnails and intro sequences, and I don’t have any qualms about drawing the lines on what I consume.
I hope you get what you’re looking for. It won’t be with me.
Ok, you have a parasocial problem, good for you.
You’re the one that started with the insults.
You’re not gonna gaslight anybody into forgetting that.
I just parodied your level of critique, and hypercharged it.
You went for the bait.
It’s called trolling for a reason.
Anyway yeah, your age isn’t that hard to approximate, you’re an older Gen Xer or younger Boomer, you know, a yuppie.
I’m so glad that you getting rid of cable TV and Nestle signifies that your’re not a corpo, after a career in logistics.
It ain’t left your bones or your brain yet, you’re just overcompensating for your guilt.
… and I’ve already got what I wanted from you.
Lol, you’re off by about twenty years! But uh, thanks for at least owning up to being a troll.
You went for the bait. It’s called trolling for a reason.
This is a horrible way to try to be in community. Good luck out there, tiger.
That is your take away? No cobtribution at all?
People like you make me cheer the corpos on. Well not really, but I often wonder why I need to champion the asshats. And people upvote your useless comment.
While the channel is making money and supporting Google. Way to go smarty.
If people like me make you even consider cheering the corpos on, then you don’t actually care about anything other than outward appearance, and your allegiance and opinions mean nothing, because you just like whoever has the best PR.
What, should Steve just also start his own video streaming or distribution service?
You’re gonna say that using a corporate tech platform to expose corporate tech bullshit… well in this case, that’s bad, because, capitalism?
Would you prefer a much tinier number of people be able to see this content?
Do you value ideological purity over broad dissemination of information?
Lemme know when your LORA meshnet video streaming network is up and running, you know, nationwide, globally.
Blah blah blah. You had zero reason to give that other person a bad time about finding him difficult to watch. So you said they were pro corporate, although it had nothing to do with anything. Meaning you are just busy being an asshat and have nothing to contribute. Which makes me realize just how many people are like you that jump straight to being a dick and don’t really care about anything.
Which makes me go why am I caring about you again?
And yes, I do think you should stand up to your principles and get off you tube. Google is just as much part of the problem, quite supporting it.
They already admitted they’re a corpo yuppie. I just pointed out their misplaced guilt complex.
I’m being an asshat performatively to serve a purpose: bullshit detector.
Yeah I jump straight to being a dick when I get a strong whiff of out of touch privileged bullshit.
You’re still responding to me because you were lying earlier when you acted like I wasn’t worth responding to… thus I hit a nerve somewhere, you can’t handle someone being rude to you.
‘Blah blah blah’, anyone bringing up points you don’t like being brought up is dismissible… because they were rude to you.
See how your ability to evaluate situations just… you know, hinges on how polite someone is to you?
You said I was contributing nothing.
No.
I contributed something, you just… couldn’t comprehend it.
But I do responds to insults in kind, old man.
Anyway yeah, thanks for your boomer advice, I’ll be sure to tell every single left wing or consumer advocate, you know, every actually anti corporate streamer or creator on youtube to just, you know, stop doing the youtubes, because they can just get their information from…
… uh … the … public… broadcasting service?
Oh wait that basically doesn’t exist anymore.
Does Democracy Now cover tech news very in depth?
NPR?
Whatever, the kids are wrong, somehow.
(ps you can use youtube without giving them any data or money or ad views or anything if you understand a bit about web browsers)
They already admitted they’re a corpo yuppie. I just pointed out their misplaced guilt complex.
No they didn’t. What are you making up now?
You didn’t contribute anything. They asked where else can I see this. You jumped up like a petulant child with nothing to say and had fun pointing fingers. Then had the classic “boomer” rant, you are checking all the boxes.
Oh well, thats what I can expect from a YouTube Shill. You want convenience over actually giving a shit about corporations. You want attention over discussion. Why are you so deep in googles pocket?
(ps you can use youtube without giving them any data or money or ad views or anything if you understand a bit about web browsers)
No. Participation is consent. Which you would know if you were not such a child.
Considerate of you to defend me and others in this community.
I’m allowed to criticize and despise the Man Who Owns No Scrunchies and I’m allowed to be dead wrong about it. I can do so, out loud, and without insulting people in our community.
They are technically allowed to downbote me into oblivion and a few will pile on with the sophomoric insults.
I appreciate that your tact is to recognize that this is a community of real, breathing people, and the tyiu call out the consequences of one hitting way harder than the consequences of the other.
I’m often reminded that, just like subreddit, these are OUR communities and that they will become what we make of them. We have the power in our hands to completely tear down our own teams.
I think we both could be rather curious what building it up looks like, instead.
I mean, unless ‘Steve’ is here. Fuck that guy. 🤣
Computing is the means of production. Go figure
Love how detailed Gamer’s Nexus is, but 3.5 hours is waaaaay too much. What’s the TLDR?
He repeats information constantly. Any time I watched one of his videos I couldn’t stop thinking how it could be cut to a third of the length without losing anything important. For my attention span it’s unwatchable.
It’s a compilation of a handful of previous videos all out under one broad topic. If there’s one you care about there’s a more dedicated specific video about tariffs, AI, memory, factories, etc.
The problem with that, is if he did that. Then you would see endless people claiming hes bullshit, lying and cherry picking sources endlessly.
You have to make a point, make it again, show proof, make the point again, show different proof of the same thing, make the point a last time, followed by more proof of the same thing with extra sources. ONLY THEN. Does the avg idiot actually believe you instead of just screaming at the top of their lungs that your an idiot.
When you have to compete with misinformation and propaganda, you have to be so overly verbose that it borders on the absurd. Seriously iv watched people argue up and down that Steve lies and makes shit up in every single one of his videos because it doesn’t agree with the dude bro crypto cult manosphere twitch streamer they watch.
So while your entirely right he could cut a third of his run time of his longer videos ALL of his videos really. You would just end up with the screaming idiots coming back like they use to on older gamer nexus videos before he started getting really long winded.
If that were true we wouldn’t have anti-vaxxers, flat earth, or religion.
It is true you just have a horrible and woefully lacking view of how truely fucking stupid people are.
Its true and it’s the only reason we don’t have MORE of those fucking idiots.
No they are right. That was exactly what we learned during the pandemic. You can lay out the most researched fact check argument you want and they still wont believe you.
People are going to still say he is making shit up. No amount of facts are going to help.
Personally, I prefer the method used by a lot of podcasts I listen to. They put a link to all their citation and research instead of cramming it all into the presentation. Often with some discussion items and additional information if I want to check sources.
Video is an exercise in patience, because it is a horrible way to convey information, and really long ones are not helping.
I also can’t stand his voice for too long.
I’m only half way through but the TLDW so far is that the consumer DIY market is in collapse. Component suppliers are in bad financial shape, and many will probably not survive the down-turn.
Does make you wonder what we will be left with. Probably not all components gone. But likely less choice.
Could get a pi, they seem to be popular enough to not go away any time soon.
Did you see the Pi price increases though? Ouch. A mini-PC is likely better value now.
Part 2: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/more-memory-driven-price-rises/
Mini PC prices are also going up. But yeah they are also an interesting choice to look at.
I’ll game on a pi zero before I subscribe to run them on a data center.
My Pi3b is a great little emulator, retropi worked great last time I plugged it in
i’m half way in
watch it
Usually, there’s a mouse over on the time bar of his vids. You can find the bit you want and skip the rest. But if this is 3.5hrs, it’s likely it’s a playlist of all related vids smashed into one vid.
It isn’t.
Thank god I bought those two 32 TB drives last November for 750 Euro each. With the feeling of getting ripped off.
Now one of those drives is at 1100 Euros, and every day prices go further up. I made the right call, this will last me a couple of years.
But this is all fucked up.
Used to be in Tech you got more for the same or the same for less. Fuck hyperscalers.
I already commented on the video that i currently own a PC and when it breaks i’ll find another hobby rather than give money to those greedy AI skinsuits.
I’ll just replace it with comparable performance parts. What used to cost £500 now costs more like £200 if you are happy with a similar level of performance. Look at the steam deck, and that includes the price of a battery, touchscreen and controller inputs!
I wonder how far we are from onboard graphics being comparable to my now 8 year old GPU…
Edit - just looked it up, Radeon 780M is from last gen Ryzen CPUs, not sure when/if G series processors are coming for 9000s CPUs or not. Looks like it might be comparable to a 1050Ti, so they are getting there and that isn’t exactly bad performance.
I know the video is over 3 hours long but you should watch it and should be concerned because how it’s going eventually there won’t be “comparable performance parts” or any parts whatsoever and it’s not a problem that you can resolve later it’s a problem that’s growing right now and will only get worse.
You should watch the video, because your comment misunderstands it completely. The point is that in the future there will be no new consumergrade PC components on the market at all, because only a couple of huge corps will survive and they will achieve total monopoly of the market.
It is not a question of price or anything like that, they will simply stop producing it in favour of datacenters, where you can lease computerpower (through AI agents).
Phone sales are massive aren’t they? You can buy computers with the same components that some phones use. Currently not overly popular but that might be where we end up.
