• ClassIsOver [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    25·
    2 days ago

    “Communism doesn’t work because people are inherently corrupt, so it makes sense to choose an alternative that actively selects for it”

  • Rindogang@lemmy.ml
    39·
    2 days ago

    Yeah… people forget that ancient humans survived through cooperation long before states existed and the fights they did have were mostly just over territory and resources. Not some deep evil ‘‘human nature’’

    • Signtist@bookwyr.meEnglish
      16·
      2 days ago

      To be fair, getting people to coordinate gets exponentially harder the more people you have. We evolved to work in relatively small groups, not millions or billions.

      • Rindogang@lemmy.ml
        17·
        2 days ago

        Yeah true but humans have evolved to cooperate on a large scale, unlike most primates

        The violence we see today has nothing to do with culture clashes or a lack of evolution… it’s driven by inequality. And the state wasn’t created to solve coordination problems, it emerged from inequality to protect those who had too much

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        16·
        2 days ago

        And yet society has evolved historically towards greater and greater interconnection, rather than fragmentation. Shouldn’t that say something about how human nature depends more on our ever-changing material conditions, than as something fixed and static?

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 day ago

      There was cooperation, sure. There was also a lot of killing.

      It’s not just human nature, even chimps kill chimps from other groups who stray into the wrong territory.

    • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      I would make the argument that our species resorting to violent conflict over shareable resources is a pretty damning indictment of human nature.

      Tribalism exists, it’s a scientific fact. You can overcome the biases it imposes through cognitive effort, but at a baseline we are predisposed to hate anyone who we believe “doesn’t belong.” That’s not inherently evil, but it is asshole behavior.

    • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
      12·
      2 days ago

      Not quite, if that were the case the statement would be “because assholes”. By blaming “human nature” they’re self identifying as one of the assholes.

      Assholism is a diverse group with many discrete types of sub-asshole.

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        1 day ago

        It’s the nature of humanity that in any reasonably sized group, there are always a few assholes.

          • merc@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            21 hours ago

            I don’t think so. Good things can’t happen because of human nature: making good things happen involves groups making decisions, and in every group there are bound to be some assholes because that’s human nature, that limits the kinds of good things that can happen.

      • Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 days ago

        It just means they recognize that we are all assholes on the inside. Some of us cognitively try to supress the assholeness. But it’s there. If it wasn’t you would have died of hunger as a baby probably. Cause boy-oh is screaming at 2am an asshole move.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      1 day ago

      And that they’ve observed that once groups reach a certain size, it’s inevitable that the group contains at least one asshole.

      It’s like the fable of the scorpion and the frog. It doesn’t mean that it’s impossible to cross the river. It just means that you need a more complex plan than just carrying the scorpion across on your back.

  • Oisteink@lemmy.world
    6·
    2 days ago

    Nah - if I say that to you, I’m talking about you. But not directly as you cant take criticism