Especially good when you explain that Oholibah is Jerusalem and it’s a metaphor for how the Israelites whored themselves out against G-d and continually disregard the Lord’s commands. Ezekial is saying, in the most baller ass way, “Israel, y’all a bunch of ho bags, and the Lord has/will let y’all get decimated by the Babylonians and Chaldeans. So, stop being bad” It’s a really interesting prophetical book to read.
There’s a whole chapter about cum in the bible. Rules about what to do when you cum on your neighbor’s goat, what to do if you someone cums on you. Basically the whole thing is part of the tabernacle racket. Pretty much any time someone cums they have to bring birds to the tabernacle to cut in half and set fire to. Probably written by a bird seller if we’re being honest with ourselves here.
Genesis 38:9 But Onan knew that the offspring would not belong to him; so whenever he would sleep with his brother’s wife, he would spill his seed on the ground so that he would not produce offspring for his brother.
Those prophetical books tend to have been rewritten to make them prophetical in retrospect, so it does have that element.
I believe it was King Josiah, ~600BCE, who compiled the books and had them lightly edited into a History of the Kingdom kinda deal. The whole theme of the Kingdom of Judea being the Rightful Leader Of The Tribes really gives it away. There’s a lot of convenient propaganda.
The books that were “rewritten” were the kings of Israel were ranked according to adherence to Deuteronomy Law. The prophetical books remained untouched, I believe. At a quick glance at my books, I don’t see anything about rewriting prophecy. Would you mind sharing your knowledge?
I’M SO SORRY!!! I’M DUMB. I think I understand where you’re coming from. Referring to King Josiah’s reign in which Samaria was pretty much excluded further, which inevitability led to some bad tensions. He compiled the books into the official canon and told Samaria to basically eat it lol. Every great king in the bible is terrible lmao. Love it.
edit: I was narrow mindedly, only considering the offical Hebrew Bible perspective, whereas you were considering the broader Judaism that was prevelant in Samaria. early-early Judaism is so wild
Hebrew tradition, that I like. I believe in Samsara, in a way. So, for all the religions in the world, I believe there is truth and guidance and I follow the tenets that I feel bring me closer to the driving life force of the world.
Why is that? I’m just curious to hear your perspective. To me, if someone is invested in something spiritually, assisting them in living a full, loving life, there is no harm.
Lemmy has a strong atheism bias. You’d think as much as they cling to the “rationality” of it they’d realize that the stats literally show that religious people live longer. DIYing your own tight knit subcommunity that looks out for each other and have a shared set of traditions to mark both the passage of time and provide a structure for people cope with significant life events is a LOT harder than getting one off the shelf. Like it’s super hard to even find the people who want to do that without accidentally starting a cult. Like I’ve thought about trying to find people to do regular group meditations and create holiday traditions with and then realized I’m literally describing either a cult or something that could easily become one.
And that’s the other thing; most religions have some kind of regular meditation built in on how they relate to the world that usually focus on gratitude and prosocial behavior. Because it’s a tradition that almost always predates modern psychology they don’t always reliably meet those ends but the fact that they often do is a big part of why prayer of some kind is such an enduring tradition in most world religions.
People are so ready to dig on humans even a few centuries back for doing stuff like singing / chanting over an tincture / extract or other concentrated medicine they’re making but how the fuck else were they supposed to time how long it takes for to brew a medicine with a narrow therapeutic range that needs to be exact? They didn’t have fucking kitchen timers!
Some of us have moved on from atheism to post-theism. In part, because some atheists can be very annoying. (Thanks a lot, four horsemen of the dorkalypse).
To your point, I do sometimes miss the music, rituals, fellowship, and liturgy of my old church. It was a mostly wholesome experience, and many of the people were very good people. In particular I miss being a member of the choir.
It was interesting (and revealing) when I left the church to experience which of my old friends from that church were very accepting of my walking away, and which ones wanted nothing to do with me anymore.
Anyway, I have found that my table top gaming groups (mostly RPG games) have helped a lot with social needs. Not a full replacement for a church, of course. But it is an activity that creates interpersonal bonds and encourages folks to be vulnerable around each other at times. And, a little bit like churches and temples, the quality of the experience can vary greatly from one group to another.
So, I’m kinda baity when it comes to talking religion. Partially, because I have a family member who is an antagonistic atheist. He constantly talks about how much smarter than me, he is. Because he doesn’t believe in a god. I do. So, that makes me a fool, supposedly. But after almost half my life has gone by, I have found more peace, tranquility, and community than ever before. My church houses different sects, and religions to hold services. We celebrate our differences and compare our love and our holy sacraments and meld them together into something beautiful. It’s incredible how similar we all are. We almost all agree that we serve the same entity. And that service is to provide love, care, needs, and anything else someone in our local community needs. These are the kind of things, that I think are beautiful.
With all that said, I know I’m somewhat biased by my own upbringing. I had a very pentecostal family and it was very much fire and brimstone. So much so, that I developed severe depression disorder since 8 and I’ve had it since. Can’t seem to shake it lol. But there’s so much beauty in all the hate and evil that has entered my life. They made me, me. And so, I thank G-d for that.
I just want all of us to get along, have peaceful disagreements and show that the world is a beautiful place. (and I am no longer afraid to die tee hee). I know, I am not a paragon of this, you can look into my comment history and see. It’s most commonly about religion that I get heated, but failure is only the price of progress.
I mean, that’s fair, but atrocities are everywhere. It seems that what you are advocating for is no atrocities. Which, I feel ya. It’s bad across history lmao
Unless, you’re only referring to atrocities attributed to religion. Then I would have to ask, why? What makes religion the outlier?
Thanks for responding! I’m really appreciating this discussion!
every time someone whips out a proverb, I just reply with this one.
It’s funny seeing them looking it up
Especially good when you explain that Oholibah is Jerusalem and it’s a metaphor for how the Israelites whored themselves out against G-d and continually disregard the Lord’s commands. Ezekial is saying, in the most baller ass way, “Israel, y’all a bunch of ho bags, and the Lord has/will let y’all get decimated by the Babylonians and Chaldeans. So, stop being bad” It’s a really interesting prophetical book to read.
In this metaphor, what does the donkey dick and horse cum represent?
For whatever reason I took “emissions like a horse” as someone who farts like a horse. I have to say horse cum makes way more sense.
There’s a whole chapter about cum in the bible. Rules about what to do when you cum on your neighbor’s goat, what to do if you someone cums on you. Basically the whole thing is part of the tabernacle racket. Pretty much any time someone cums they have to bring birds to the tabernacle to cut in half and set fire to. Probably written by a bird seller if we’re being honest with ourselves here.
I…. Don’t believe you. Lmao. Either that or sky daddy’s book is way more wild than I’ve ever considered
You really need to read the Song of Soloman. It’s basically a dirty love poem.
“Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.”
“This thy stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts to clusters of grapes.”
" I am a wall, and my breasts like towers: then was I in his eyes as one that found favour."
Genesis 38:9 But Onan knew that the offspring would not belong to him; so whenever he would sleep with his brother’s wife, he would spill his seed on the ground so that he would not produce offspring for his brother.
Onan had biblical pull out game
Now I’m imagining you lusting after horse farts.
Dick
It’s a very long, old way to say, Israel was horny for other gods from surrounding states. I don’t believe they individually mean anything.
Right.
Those prophetical books tend to have been rewritten to make them prophetical in retrospect, so it does have that element.
I believe it was King Josiah, ~600BCE, who compiled the books and had them lightly edited into a History of the Kingdom kinda deal. The whole theme of the Kingdom of Judea being the Rightful Leader Of The Tribes really gives it away. There’s a lot of convenient propaganda.
The books that were “rewritten” were the kings of Israel were ranked according to adherence to Deuteronomy Law. The prophetical books remained untouched, I believe. At a quick glance at my books, I don’t see anything about rewriting prophecy. Would you mind sharing your knowledge?
Sorry, it’s been too long. I could be full of shit anyway :P
It might be more a case of selecting than editing the canon anyway.
I’M SO SORRY!!! I’M DUMB. I think I understand where you’re coming from. Referring to King Josiah’s reign in which Samaria was pretty much excluded further, which inevitability led to some bad tensions. He compiled the books into the official canon and told Samaria to basically eat it lol. Every great king in the bible is terrible lmao. Love it.
edit: I was narrow mindedly, only considering the offical Hebrew Bible perspective, whereas you were considering the broader Judaism that was prevelant in Samaria. early-early Judaism is so wild
No, you were right to challenge me!
correct, that is how you refer to these books in religious studies
Are you spelling God wrong on purpose for some reason?
Hebrew tradition, that I like. I believe in Samsara, in a way. So, for all the religions in the world, I believe there is truth and guidance and I follow the tenets that I feel bring me closer to the driving life force of the world.
You are also spelling god wrong. It is without capital since there are like 5000 of them.
I’d prefer if no one ever had a reason to think about how to spell it
Why is that? I’m just curious to hear your perspective. To me, if someone is invested in something spiritually, assisting them in living a full, loving life, there is no harm.
Lemmy has a strong atheism bias. You’d think as much as they cling to the “rationality” of it they’d realize that the stats literally show that religious people live longer. DIYing your own tight knit subcommunity that looks out for each other and have a shared set of traditions to mark both the passage of time and provide a structure for people cope with significant life events is a LOT harder than getting one off the shelf. Like it’s super hard to even find the people who want to do that without accidentally starting a cult. Like I’ve thought about trying to find people to do regular group meditations and create holiday traditions with and then realized I’m literally describing either a cult or something that could easily become one.
And that’s the other thing; most religions have some kind of regular meditation built in on how they relate to the world that usually focus on gratitude and prosocial behavior. Because it’s a tradition that almost always predates modern psychology they don’t always reliably meet those ends but the fact that they often do is a big part of why prayer of some kind is such an enduring tradition in most world religions.
People are so ready to dig on humans even a few centuries back for doing stuff like singing / chanting over an tincture / extract or other concentrated medicine they’re making but how the fuck else were they supposed to time how long it takes for to brew a medicine with a narrow therapeutic range that needs to be exact? They didn’t have fucking kitchen timers!
Some of us have moved on from atheism to post-theism. In part, because some atheists can be very annoying. (Thanks a lot, four horsemen of the dorkalypse).
To your point, I do sometimes miss the music, rituals, fellowship, and liturgy of my old church. It was a mostly wholesome experience, and many of the people were very good people. In particular I miss being a member of the choir.
It was interesting (and revealing) when I left the church to experience which of my old friends from that church were very accepting of my walking away, and which ones wanted nothing to do with me anymore.
Anyway, I have found that my table top gaming groups (mostly RPG games) have helped a lot with social needs. Not a full replacement for a church, of course. But it is an activity that creates interpersonal bonds and encourages folks to be vulnerable around each other at times. And, a little bit like churches and temples, the quality of the experience can vary greatly from one group to another.
So, I’m kinda baity when it comes to talking religion. Partially, because I have a family member who is an antagonistic atheist. He constantly talks about how much smarter than me, he is. Because he doesn’t believe in a god. I do. So, that makes me a fool, supposedly. But after almost half my life has gone by, I have found more peace, tranquility, and community than ever before. My church houses different sects, and religions to hold services. We celebrate our differences and compare our love and our holy sacraments and meld them together into something beautiful. It’s incredible how similar we all are. We almost all agree that we serve the same entity. And that service is to provide love, care, needs, and anything else someone in our local community needs. These are the kind of things, that I think are beautiful.
With all that said, I know I’m somewhat biased by my own upbringing. I had a very pentecostal family and it was very much fire and brimstone. So much so, that I developed severe depression disorder since 8 and I’ve had it since. Can’t seem to shake it lol. But there’s so much beauty in all the hate and evil that has entered my life. They made me, me. And so, I thank G-d for that.
I just want all of us to get along, have peaceful disagreements and show that the world is a beautiful place. (and I am no longer afraid to die tee hee). I know, I am not a paragon of this, you can look into my comment history and see. It’s most commonly about religion that I get heated, but failure is only the price of progress.
I’d be okay with those people having to find their meaning elsewhere if all the historical atrocities went away too
I mean, that’s fair, but atrocities are everywhere. It seems that what you are advocating for is no atrocities. Which, I feel ya. It’s bad across history lmao
Unless, you’re only referring to atrocities attributed to religion. Then I would have to ask, why? What makes religion the outlier?
Thanks for responding! I’m really appreciating this discussion!
“It doesn’t solve all atrocities so we shouldn’t do it” is flawed logic. Don’t let perfection stand in the way of progress.
Well, it depends. Judaism and Christianity have kind of a hold on the capital G.
yeah but it’s parable. so like… ?