I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I ‘don’t look leftist’, whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.
The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be ‘reformed’ of your whiteness and maleness.
Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do.
As a white male I also have never had that experience. Not have any of my other white male friends.
For something apparently so common it’s bizarre I’ve never seen it heard of a real case of it. Maybe there’s a different reason that people were yelling at you?
I don’t know why everyone’s so adamant that this can’t happen. I don’t see it that often, but at least in online spaces, I’ve definitely seen others being targeted for having the wrong genetics and not knowing enough about what life is like for those who look different from them. If you don’t encounter any of this, then that’s great. That’s what we want, and there’s probably nothing you can do differently to meaningfully change anything. But if we do see it, then it’s our responsibility to curb this kind of behaviour.
It’s because you specifically are very obviously a liar. You didn’t spend three years being shouted at in university, it’s a crazy claim.
Are there shitty leftists, yes, leftists are people and people have flaws. The idea that the entire community is just people telling at white guys is a fabrication. It’s a fabrication pushed by people who want to excite hate on the internet. That’s why the conversation only ever happens on the internet. Make community and find help.
Except when you join communities and they tell you to fuck off for having a penis and how you have ‘stolen’ your position from someone more deserving than you. Or how your very presence, going about your business bothering nobody, is ‘problematic’. Because you don’t count towards their diversity quota, even though you do because you’re poor. But admitting poor people isn’t something good… you have to be poor and queer so we can market you on social media and score virtue signal points.
The funny thing about the entire discourse about white guys is that they assume you are rich, and they want you if you are rich because they want your money. But as soon as anyone finds out you aren’t going to join their community and donate all your money, they expect you to fuck off because you are worthless to them. You are a drain on the system if you need help, and that ‘help’ only has worth if you are non-male and non-white. Poor white guys are basically told to fuck off and die because they only want to only help non-men and non-white people.
You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren’t the same thing.
leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to ‘tear the system’ down rather than reform it as a social democracy.
No. Personal experience isn’t science. Your demand that I provide scientific proof of personal experience is absurd and just your bad faith way to totally dismiss it.
Can you prove to me with a scientific argument and data that you are leftist? Or that you are a true leftist? Or am I just supposed to ‘believe’ your self-reporting? I’m confident your sample size for your political beliefs and experiences consists of one.
you are delusional if you think there aren’t hateful awful people on the left who think violence is a means to an end of theor political and social goals. lots of leftists here are insane people with insane views, that are often pro-violence, and pro-hatred. lots of those leftists are swept up hateful narratives about men, the working-class, and other identity group bullshit that they ironically also cling to as a means of asserting their own political/moral superiority.
being left/right has nothing to do with being a shitty and violent person. if you think it does, well I will assume you are one of the leftists who think’s violence and hatred are totally justified as long as it’s against your ‘enemies’.
and that’s cool man. go be an leftist extremist if you want. but if you pretend that it’s only a problem when the right wing does it, you’re no different than the right wingers you hate.
and your argument is guilt by assocation. ‘oh this other person said this thing i don’t like so therefore you are bad’. No. Right, and if right-wingers went on about how rape is bad, would any woman who talked about her expereince being raped also now be a right-winger? Jesus.
Frankly, I am talking about people exactly like you. You are the type of hateful angry leftist who is alienating people from your cause. Who dismiss and attack and harass anyone who doesn’t fit your overly simplistic narrative, with your crappy bad faith ‘arguments’. You take the ‘prove it’ flat earther bullshit approach, because it makes you feel BIG and SMART, because you’re completely the opposite.
all you can do is resort to harassment and name-calling. and you wonder why young men don’t want to hang out with leftists like yourself… lol you are the very problem the OG article talks about. Of course you would flip out at me and take it personally and your entire arguement is just ‘no that never happened and you can’t prove to me it did so i am smarter than you’
Just stick your head in the sand and smell your own farts like a good little leftist. than piss and moan as the right takes more and more power from you because they reach out to people and win them over.
More likely, they instigated hateful rhetoric and were called out on it. They didn’t understand that they were being called out for their hateful views and words so it’s easier to say, “they yelled at me because I’m a white cis man” when the truth would force introspection
They also claim to be persecuted for their hobbies. I think they have some personal issues that makes them feel persecuted all the time. I have a friend like that, it’s exhausting. Everyone really likes him but he thinks they don’t. I think it’s just internalized hatred.
I tried to talk to him about the way he talks about women. “You say things like women behave like this, or all women are like that, or I won’t have women on my boat anymore because they don’t listen”. To which he complained I called him a piece of shit and that I obviously hate him. “I love you dude, it’s harming your relationships and making your life harder, it’s a thing you can work on, all you have to do is hear what I’m saying.”
He can’t do that though. He’s just always already on edge because he constantly feels like he’s being judged and he still doesn’t realize the judging is coming from inside the house.
Or I’m used to dealing with twats who lecture me about myself who know nothing about me.
Like you. You know nothing about me, and yet you’ve created this elaborate fiction in your mind about my psychology, my past, and a bunch of other shit.
You are the type of person I’m talking about who gets up in others faces and lectures them about how ‘wrong’ based on a few random tidbits about them. I make a claim, and you now make it your mission to create an elaborate fictional story about me to discredit me. Just like the idiots who scream at me at uni who ‘KNEW’ that I was evil because I had white skin and a penis.
Maybe you should be the one shuts up and listens to people’s stories and stops trying to discredit them because they don’t fit your political agenda. Perhaps you should learn some grace and humility toward other human beings instead of chomping at the bit when they try to articulate that the people you hate are just as human as you, instead of pathologizing them as hopeless damaged until they espouse whatever BS you think is ‘right’ and ‘healthy’.
No, they yelled at me because they were horrible shitty people. Who think their leftist beliefs are so pure and good that they can do no wrong and anyone who remotely resembles what they don’t like deserves to be assaulted. Let alone anyone who is critical of their absurdly pompous beliefs about themselves that they are saving the world by being angry and hateful.
I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I ‘don’t look leftist’, whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.
The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be ‘reformed’ of your whiteness and maleness.
More economics, less identity politics.
As a white male I also have never had that experience. Not have any of my other white male friends.
For something apparently so common it’s bizarre I’ve never seen it heard of a real case of it. Maybe there’s a different reason that people were yelling at you?
I don’t know why everyone’s so adamant that this can’t happen. I don’t see it that often, but at least in online spaces, I’ve definitely seen others being targeted for having the wrong genetics and not knowing enough about what life is like for those who look different from them. If you don’t encounter any of this, then that’s great. That’s what we want, and there’s probably nothing you can do differently to meaningfully change anything. But if we do see it, then it’s our responsibility to curb this kind of behaviour.
because it violates their black and white world view that one one side is good and the other side is bad.
and when their sides doe shitty things, they start saying it can’t be bad, it must be the victim of the shitty thing that is bad.
or put more simply, it’s the view that anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a Nazi.
It’s because you specifically are very obviously a liar. You didn’t spend three years being shouted at in university, it’s a crazy claim.
Are there shitty leftists, yes, leftists are people and people have flaws. The idea that the entire community is just people telling at white guys is a fabrication. It’s a fabrication pushed by people who want to excite hate on the internet. That’s why the conversation only ever happens on the internet. Make community and find help.
Except when you join communities and they tell you to fuck off for having a penis and how you have ‘stolen’ your position from someone more deserving than you. Or how your very presence, going about your business bothering nobody, is ‘problematic’. Because you don’t count towards their diversity quota, even though you do because you’re poor. But admitting poor people isn’t something good… you have to be poor and queer so we can market you on social media and score virtue signal points.
The funny thing about the entire discourse about white guys is that they assume you are rich, and they want you if you are rich because they want your money. But as soon as anyone finds out you aren’t going to join their community and donate all your money, they expect you to fuck off because you are worthless to them. You are a drain on the system if you need help, and that ‘help’ only has worth if you are non-male and non-white. Poor white guys are basically told to fuck off and die because they only want to only help non-men and non-white people.
How is tax the rich at the same rate as everyone else difficult?
How is universal healthcare convoluted?
You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren’t the same thing.
leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to ‘tear the system’ down rather than reform it as a social democracy.
I’m sorry those two things are separate how?
Your sample size and methodology is suspect. Can you share more data other than “I feel”?
No. Personal experience isn’t science. Your demand that I provide scientific proof of personal experience is absurd and just your bad faith way to totally dismiss it.
Can you prove to me with a scientific argument and data that you are leftist? Or that you are a true leftist? Or am I just supposed to ‘believe’ your self-reporting? I’m confident your sample size for your political beliefs and experiences consists of one.
You’ve made claims, I asked you to provide information that backs it up.
So you’re here spouting the same lines that right wing podcasters did a decade ago with about as much backing you.
Be better than rethoric that is a decade old.
because it’s true.
you are delusional if you think there aren’t hateful awful people on the left who think violence is a means to an end of theor political and social goals. lots of leftists here are insane people with insane views, that are often pro-violence, and pro-hatred. lots of those leftists are swept up hateful narratives about men, the working-class, and other identity group bullshit that they ironically also cling to as a means of asserting their own political/moral superiority.
being left/right has nothing to do with being a shitty and violent person. if you think it does, well I will assume you are one of the leftists who think’s violence and hatred are totally justified as long as it’s against your ‘enemies’.
and that’s cool man. go be an leftist extremist if you want. but if you pretend that it’s only a problem when the right wing does it, you’re no different than the right wingers you hate.
and your argument is guilt by assocation. ‘oh this other person said this thing i don’t like so therefore you are bad’. No. Right, and if right-wingers went on about how rape is bad, would any woman who talked about her expereince being raped also now be a right-winger? Jesus.
Frankly, I am talking about people exactly like you. You are the type of hateful angry leftist who is alienating people from your cause. Who dismiss and attack and harass anyone who doesn’t fit your overly simplistic narrative, with your crappy bad faith ‘arguments’. You take the ‘prove it’ flat earther bullshit approach, because it makes you feel BIG and SMART, because you’re completely the opposite.
Wah wah wah, bla bla bla.
Your rethoric is bad and you should feel bad.
You’ve made claims and provided no backing data.
Why should I entertain any idea you spout if you are unwilling to substantiate them?
my data is the same place yours is.
all you can do is resort to harassment and name-calling. and you wonder why young men don’t want to hang out with leftists like yourself… lol you are the very problem the OG article talks about. Of course you would flip out at me and take it personally and your entire arguement is just ‘no that never happened and you can’t prove to me it did so i am smarter than you’
Just stick your head in the sand and smell your own farts like a good little leftist. than piss and moan as the right takes more and more power from you because they reach out to people and win them over.
No you didn’t. That’s absurd.
More likely, they instigated hateful rhetoric and were called out on it. They didn’t understand that they were being called out for their hateful views and words so it’s easier to say, “they yelled at me because I’m a white cis man” when the truth would force introspection
They also claim to be persecuted for their hobbies. I think they have some personal issues that makes them feel persecuted all the time. I have a friend like that, it’s exhausting. Everyone really likes him but he thinks they don’t. I think it’s just internalized hatred.
I tried to talk to him about the way he talks about women. “You say things like women behave like this, or all women are like that, or I won’t have women on my boat anymore because they don’t listen”. To which he complained I called him a piece of shit and that I obviously hate him. “I love you dude, it’s harming your relationships and making your life harder, it’s a thing you can work on, all you have to do is hear what I’m saying.”
He can’t do that though. He’s just always already on edge because he constantly feels like he’s being judged and he still doesn’t realize the judging is coming from inside the house.
Or I’m used to dealing with twats who lecture me about myself who know nothing about me.
Like you. You know nothing about me, and yet you’ve created this elaborate fiction in your mind about my psychology, my past, and a bunch of other shit.
You are the type of person I’m talking about who gets up in others faces and lectures them about how ‘wrong’ based on a few random tidbits about them. I make a claim, and you now make it your mission to create an elaborate fictional story about me to discredit me. Just like the idiots who scream at me at uni who ‘KNEW’ that I was evil because I had white skin and a penis.
Maybe you should be the one shuts up and listens to people’s stories and stops trying to discredit them because they don’t fit your political agenda. Perhaps you should learn some grace and humility toward other human beings instead of chomping at the bit when they try to articulate that the people you hate are just as human as you, instead of pathologizing them as hopeless damaged until they espouse whatever BS you think is ‘right’ and ‘healthy’.
No, they yelled at me because they were horrible shitty people. Who think their leftist beliefs are so pure and good that they can do no wrong and anyone who remotely resembles what they don’t like deserves to be assaulted. Let alone anyone who is critical of their absurdly pompous beliefs about themselves that they are saving the world by being angry and hateful.
Or you are the typical head in the sand leftist who totally denies how highly problematic much of your cohort is.
Because if I wast a good leftist, that would never happen to me right? I must be a closeted Nazi, right?
I said I don’t believe you, and in response you called yourself a nazi. I don’t know what you are, but you seem to.