“if your feet are on black stuff, your life is in danger”
It’s a rule.
Having said that, drivers need to be careful. But, when comparing size and momentum, one party should realize being right is almost as good as being alive. When a driver messes up, he’ll go to prison; but the victim is probably a little worse off forever.
I dunno but I was taught to look both ways before I crossed the road both while walking and driving.
This is a dual issue that’s been poorly worded which as we all know is typical of most social media users.
I missed the “when they cross the road” part, and fully agreed for a minute. Too damn many drivers staring at their phones all the time
Carbrain making things up again.
If there weren’t cars in the cities, the worst thing a person with a phone could cause is bumbing into someone else at non-lethal speed.
If there weren’t cars, there’d still be buses, vans, trucks.
Which are driven by professional, experienced drivers who get fired for driving too fast. Not average morons pissed they have to wait a whole ten seconds for a pedestrian to cross the road.
It sounds like this post is about pedestrians not paying attention and walking into traffic, though. It doesn’t matter if they’re driving too fast, if someone’s not paying attention and walks out in front of a bus…
I think you’re making a different but equally valid argument.
People walk out in front of buses all the time. Know what happens? The bus stops. Because it’s going at a reasonable speed and driven by a driver that’s actually good at driving. The only time this isn’t the case is when it’s a long-distance bus going at highway speeds. It’s really simple; replacing multiple vehicles driven by amateurs with one vehicle driven by a professional will save lives, regardles of what pedestrians are doing.
There’s a big difference between a constant stream of cars with noise from every direction, and the occasional delivery vehicle that you can hear coming.
You know those electric ones are quiet now, right ?
Yes, I have one.
Assuming no stream of load cars nearby, they are either loud enough to hear (tyre noise), or slow enough to not worry about.
I don’t think most peoples’ dreams of a walkable utopia include those things, but you make a good point.
No, it does. The notion that urbanists want to get rid of delivery vehicles is a strawman argument used to attack us.
“If I had a dash cam, I could demonstrate the dozens of obviously distracted teens I’ve run down while recklessly driving through school zones. If these kids looked up every once in a while, they’d make it home for spring break.”
Yes, absolutely, pedestrians have the right of way. But, pedestrians also need situational awareness when they are in the same vicinity as cars and trucks. Right of Way doesn’t do anything if some asshat driver isn’t paying attention and clips the pedestrian and/or kills them.
Edit: I am absolutely not defending the guy in the tweet. Pedestrians aren’t menaces.
I saw a comment the other day that was like “You can be right but you still get the wheelchair”.
Also , if you want to murder someone, hit them with your car. Good odds you won’t even be charged with a crime.
Yes, defensive driving (and I guess walking now) is a thing. Driver’s Ed instructor said that you’re just as dead in a fatal crash if you had the right of way as if you didn’t.
All that said it is incumbent on the driver, not the walker, to be sure they’re not hitting anyone.
Pedestrians don’t always have the right of way, but the majority of drivers don’t want to kill pedestrians, and so most will still yield… Isn’t that why jaywalking is a crime in the US?
Sweden law says that cars are required to stop for people at the zebra crossings (övergångsställe), but at passageways without zebra (gångpassage example) it’s the pedestrians who shall yield to cars. Basically, a passageway is to be considered as a part of the roadway (you’re not supposed to run out into traffic), whereas a zebra crossing is a legal extension of the sidewalks (cars supposed to yield to people on sidewalks).
However, way too many pedestrians don’t understand the difference. In practical terms it shouldn’t make a huge difference, because you should always reduce your speed and be alert when nearing any kinds of crossings, and we usually have speed bumps directly before many passages… but still.
If someone collides with you at a zebra walk, they’re almost always losing their license, and maybe a couple years in prison if you got badly injured. But if you walk out into a non-zebra passage and a car doesn’t see you in time, you can actually get fined if the police are feeling cheeky, as you didn’t yield to the car/your behavior thus caused the accident.
So no, pedestrians are definitely not menaces. But if we want to continue to reduce traffic injuries, it’d be nice if both groups were a bit more concentrated and respectful.
Isn’t that why jaywalking is a crime in the US?
No. Jaywalking is a crime because auto industry propaganda literally invented the term “jaywalking” (“jay” basically means “Hick* or " country bumpkin”) and pushed it in part of a big media campaign in the, IIRC, 1920s, and then lobbied to make illegal.
Before then, everyone blamed the cars for murdering people by tearing down the streets (which belonged to people, not cars, before cars existed - playing sports on the actual street was normal) and not stopping in time.
Whatever rationale has been invented in modern times, the reality is that jaywalking was invented as a victim-blaming campaign by the car industry. Pure and simple.
That is quite interesting how it works for you all. In my state (North Carolina), pedestrians always have the right of way, regardless of the situation. Yes, they can still be breaking the law (jaywalking), but drovers still need to yield and be alert to their presence.
There are people who will wall out in front of cars without regard, and I can’t help but feel that they want to get hit with how they carry themselves (no eye contact, no flinching if a car has to hit their brakes hard, etc).
Well, yeah, it’s kinda the same thing here, just that the legal consequences are different. If, heaven forbid, you killed someone who jaywalked and you weren’t negligent at all, you’d risk vehicular manslaughter instead of homicide at the least?
It’s a shame that too many in both groups lack respect for each other. Car drivers should realize that they’re sitting in a very comfortable weapon, compared to the unprotected person out in crappy weather, so the driver shall be alert and considerate… and pedestrians shouldn’t take suicidal chances just to save a couple seconds.
It’s just numbing yourself, you get tired of constantly checking every angle for some crazy driver. After a decade or so, right around high school age, you just look once and go and if someone wants to hit you hopefully your family gets a nice settlement.
Yep, unfortunately a lot of people haven’t experienced what good traffic planning, cooperation & educated drivers can accomplishes on a daily basis in many European countries.
In my experience, the worst and most commonly recurring offenders are phone zombies on e-scooters. Possibly due to being more dangerous than pedestrians and more noticeable than a distracted highway driver.
E-scooters are considered bikes in the traffic laws here, and bikes need to yield to cars in crosswalks. But it’s not often that scooter drivers yield to cars, but most car drivers still stop for them regardless.
Far from the biggest menace, but there is one nit I have to pick that somewhat aligns with the OP.
Pedestrians who don’t look up to notice that the cars aren’t stopped because the light is red, but because the light is green and they don’t want to block the box.
As a cyclist in the bike lane/cutting between stopped cars, these people are dangerous. Especially when you try to get their attention since they’re about to walk into your path, and they suddenly realize they’re in the middle of an active intersection and freak out and quickly move in a completely random direction. By all means, keep up with your sudoku while crossing the street, just make sure the light is on your side before you wander into traffic.
I also once saw a guy walk straight through a construction site and nearly bonk his head on a giant concrete pipe hanging from a crane overhead.
And yes, I think a safer city would have no stoplights and everyone would have to be aware of their surroundings and negotiate moving through traffic, but while we have stoplights, you kind of have to play along.
OP should just record it with their phone.
