We are finally talking about this now eh? I lost a cousin over 12 years ago, vanished into thin air. Nobody cared. Especially the RCMP. Much like all these guys. A few posters and a lazy facebook post was all my beloved cousin ever got.
My favourite part of the article is this:
National statistics reflect a severe and often overlooked reality regarding violence against Indigenous men:
Between 1980 and 2012, Statistics Canada documented 1,750 Indigenous male homicide victims, compared to 745 Indigenous female homicide victims.
In this timeframe, 71% of all murdered and missing Indigenous people were men and boys.
According to 2020 Statistics Canada data, Indigenous men are seven times more likely to die by homicide than non-Indigenous people, and four times more likely than Indigenous women.
We hear so much about missing indigenous women. I had no idea the stat for men was 4 times higher. Why doesn’t anyone care?
There is almost certainly an active serial killer operating on the mid island for years now, and I hear random people saying this more and more. Sadly we are on our own over here it seems.
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I’ve only ever heard of violence against women, highway of tears etc. That this was known and never mentioned is absolutely typical of how unvalued men are to society and how insignificant men’s journeys are. Nobody gives a fuck. 71% of the victims yet it’s never been brought up even during the highway of tears media coverage.
Followed highway of tears stories my entire adult life. Never heard of indigenous men going missing even once.
Call me a conspirator all you want but human trafficking is rampant in BC. It’s not just sex related. Young men are probably being kidnapped and forced into labour or harvested for organs. There is plenty of wilderness here to misbehave. Just go 10km out of town and you are in the sticks. It’s almost impossible to find someone who went missing for nefarious reasons here.
Talking about island specific, think about the population here:
Drunk tourists
People moving here alone because they are depressed and running from their issues
Transient workers from abroad
It’s ripe for this sort of crime and people think it’s way safer here than it actually is.
The rcmp just say all these men killed themselves but I know my cousin and he did not kill himself. He vanished into thin air.
https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/CrimeFiles/MissingPersons/2010to2019/JasonBEAUPIT
Dude wasn’t even last spotted over there. Numerous reports of him being last seen in Duncan. This is how much the rcmp cared.
“Probably being harvested for organs” okay, guy. Sure. Just slipping that in there made you lose all credibility.
Also your region isn’t any more prone to violent crime than other places because of “tourists” or “single people.” Those are normal city things.
I think your personal experience has turned your brain into mush.
The rcmp human trafficking website cites that as a reason people go missing
Missing people per capita is higher in BC than anywhere else in Canada. By quite a bit too
Oh you’re american. No, these are not “normal city things” in a first world country lol. There’s barely any city here anyway. BC is almost entirely wilderness. Hard for american brain to comprehend.
It really annoys me how confidently incorrect you are.
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Fuck right off, misogynist, can’t even acknowledge the boot comes from above, no, got to “other” women instead
Yep. “Society” is not particularly known for its treatment of women, either. It’s “watch out mate, he’s after your cookie” over and over again
Fuck right off, misogynist, can’t even acknowledge the boot comes from above, no, got to “other” women instead
Men are the vast majority under that boot. Read the f**king article, ya dingus.
Across Canada, the number of missing and murdered Aboriginal men is almost 5× that of aboriginal women. And yet, where are the nation-wide initiatives to solve aboriginal men’s murders and disappearances?
Suicides of men are over 5× that of women. Yet where is the pearl-clutching over those deaths?
Homelessness is almost ¾ men. And yet, homeless shelters for only women outnumber those for only men, and men’s shelters frequently have to empty out completely if there is any overflow from women’s shelters at all.
Workplace deaths of men are more than 9× that of women. And headlines only occur when it is women who suffer.
Plus, of all the jobs that aren’t at parity between men and women, the only ones women ever clamour to target are those with air conditioning and great lumbar support. Where are all the female lumberjacks? Where are the female crabbers? The coal miners and oil rig workers and the framers and plumbers and roofers?
crickets
Yyyyyup. Thought so.
You look at pretty much any personal calamity except those which are purely gender-specific, and if men aren’t neck-and-neck with women, they’re nearly always the majority of victims.
And yet, it is only those solutions that address women which are not “misogynistic”. Hell, it took nearly 40 years for “men’s mental health month” to gain traction against exactly those accusations of misogyny.
So fuck right off back, you flaming gender bigot.
No women are against men getting help. Feminism offers a framework that explains many of the problems you keep dancing around. Unfortunately, you don’t actually read any of it and instead get your worldview from incel memes and social media. You don’t care about men getting help as much as you care about creating weird wedge issues where if someone gets help it must be taking away from yourself.
You know, I’m seeing such levels of thought-terminating clichés, reality denialism, and outright brainwashing from you that all I am going to do is punt you a wonderful little piece of copypasta from GirlWritesWhat:
So what you’re saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists… they are not “real feminists”.
That’s not just “no true Scotsman”. That’s delusional self deception.
Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don’t care. I’ve been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they’ve done under the banner of feminism, maybe you’d stop calling yourself one.
But I want you to know. You don’t matter. You’re not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: “Well, that’s just a clean-up word for wife-beating,” and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, “we know it’s not girls beating up boys, it’s boys beating up girls.”
You’re not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta’s Network of Women’s Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.
You’re not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were “ambivalent about their sexual desires” (if you don’t know what that means, it’s that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC’s research because it’s inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.
You’re not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.
You’re not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.
You’re not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.
You’re not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.
You’re not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.
You’re not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman’s history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it’s “part of her sexual history.”
You’re not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman’s mouth is “not a crime” in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You’re not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there’s a “legal” way to rape them.
And you’re none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.
You’re the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.
Hate likes to coop terms to hide that it’s hate. Feminism ≠ misandry.
Feminism ≠ misandry.
Strange, because that is 100% the source of all misandry, like how any attempt to bring political attention to men’s issues is painted as “misogyny”, simply because it’s men who are being paid attention to.
Such as domestic violence. Did you know that if you look at only non-reciprocal physical violence - as in, only one person is doing the physical striking - 71% of victims are men?
And yet, who is protesting the most loudly when people try to open up DV shelters for battered men using the same public funding that women’s shelters enjoy? Small clue: they invariably identify with the term you mentioned.
71%. You’d think there would be more shelters for a 71% proportion of physically-assaulted victims. And yet, while North America has tens of thousands of shelters for the other 29%, it has only three for the 71%.
Three. In all of North America. Because public funding for it is lethally radioactive to political careers.
You are fueling the gender war.
Only women get to do that?
You are fueling the gender war.
So true equality is “fuelling the gender war”, eh?
Why call feminism “equality”, then, if it is nothing of the sort?
Suggesting that men are betraying themselves by supporting feminism is fueling the gender war.
*Getting rid of gender related bias in mental healthcare is feminist.
*Removing gender-based barriers to all careers is feminist.
*Paternal leave policies are feminist.
*Government provision of comprehensive and inexpensive childcare services is feminist.
These policies directly support and help men. They improve men’s lives. Men should support them, if their goal is to increase opportunities, autonomy, and improve quality of life for other men. Other feminist policies seek to bring women’s opportunities, autonomy, and quality of life up to par with those of men, which indirectly helps men, as it helps the women around them be more capable, self-sufficient, and better community members.
Suggesting otherwise propagates an imaginary point of tension and stirs up distrust of women in young men. In other words, it fuels the gender war.
It was always a lie, they want advantages, not equality.
Fuck off. No, “they” don’t want advantages. Try speaking with a woman in real life, you might find they are normal people!
I’m taking about feminists, not women. Those happen to be two different groups.
Despite the rhetoric, the implemented and championed policies often produce advantages, not equality. They don’t advocate for men. They don’t consider the impact on men. They don’t care about men. Many feminist leaders refuse to do these things with cruel pride, loudly, and to great applause.
They cannot be advocates of equality while focusing only on creating advantages, rights, preference and greater resource access for women exclusively.
Yeah, no, fuck off.
There was a serial killer in Ontario, Bruce MacArthur that was planting the remains in gardens he landscaped. He disappeared 8 south asian and middle eastern men from the gay village. I remember seeing the posters on stores in the area when I lived in the area.
If the group being taken isn’t high society then the cops won’t care. Prostitutes in Vancouver, middle eastern gays in Toronto, or poor people in Victoria. They don’t matter to the police so there isn’t a priority.
If the group being taken isn’t high society then the cops won’t care.
That’s a disingenuous way to present the following information:
- mispers cases are hard. They’re often dry failures after a big slog.
- the lack of progress isn’t reported in media unless it’s about someone famous or rich
- there’s absolutely nothing the extra reporting does except inject some seagull management in the mix
- spend too long on a case where there may not even be a crime, and you have a talk about priorities in this continuing budget crisis.
So when you want to say “they’re often hard thankless long-shot cases and there’s not a lot of positive news and often not even a charge,” you chose to say instead “they don’t care if you’re not rich.”
And that’s disappointing.
It kind of makes sense, most people have a routine, people they live with that depend on them. I wonder if homeless people just wander the streets, get high in different areas, are gone for days. Maybe the police have no means to solve something like that, and I’d be curious what their budgets are.
Why doesn’t anyone care?
Why would we think that nobody cares? I don’t understand this outrage bait; obviously a lot of people care about this
Because most of these cases are treated as write offs and they really don’t care. Having personally lost someone in the area
most of these cases are treated as write offs and they really don’t care
Yes, that’s systemic racism and oppression in the works. Not only the RCMP isn’t invested on helping out, they are part of the problem. Doesn’t mean that nobody cares, though.
The person I lost is white but I get what you are saying
My bad, I jumped to conclusions since a lot of the case discussions are indigenous. I hope someday you and their other loved ones impacted by this negligence get some closure, even if it doesn’t come from the institutions that should have helped.
They were last seen on a reservation, however
Does anyone care though?
Yes, clearly this thread has shown that some people care
Why doesn’t anyone care?
They only people who care about a man are the people he is paying for, and maybe not even then.
