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Man, you really just have to post “I refuse to support genocide” to bring the blue maga nazis out of the woodwork.
It’s very simple: I refuse to support genocide.
After working for the DNC for free for years and most of my calls being right, they can suck my fucking dick never again the amount of fucking consulting fees other people squeezed out of those pricks meanwhile I’m basically unemployable because of my politics, I’m not even a fucking american.
Rhetorical: Omg again? With same exact picture? In not really political comm?
(Disclaimer: not US citizen)
Go and vote in primaries for candidates you want, so maybe you get someone decent (so “no matter who” part is eliminated), apply pressure to them right now. Until you have enough power and support to create new party from scratch (and have it catch third of population instantly somehow, including republicans) or overthrow current system altogether, you have to work within it.
Also: in famous thought experiment, named Trolley problem, do you call yourself murderer (genocider) if you decide to push the lever?
I myself had different and conflicted opinions during those years, arguments for voting blue and third party (or abstaining) both look quite convincing, at least for not well versed in politics me. Ugh.
Looking forward to mod award on this post.
Did you ever, in your whole time of thinking whether you should vote, realize, that you can’t actually vote, or does bluemaga logic not bother with those unimportant details?
The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has admitted that it can choose whoever it wants regardless of the primaries, as evidenced by the decision to endorse Vice President Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202
And when they did it for hilldog
Well, that’s shitty
It’s not common knowledge but there is no legal requirement for either party to run democratic primary elections. They used to just pick candidates with no public input. They opened up voting as a concession to their supporters. However, they did so in a way that allows party officials to tip the scales in their favor.
The cruel irony is that the democrats actually have a less democratic primary than republicans simply because their voters interests are not aligned with the interests of party officials. Of course republicans party officials don’t care about democracy either but neither do their voters.
If the electoral system only lets you choose leaders who don’t align with the majority, it’s not a democracy. It’s a dictatorship with extra steps.
Being able to say “I’m not going to vote if there is no progressive candidate, I don’t care if republicans win again” must be nice when you’re not the one being actively hunted down by ICE. But hey, at least you’ll have a good view at immigrants being detained and sent to another alligator alcatraz from your high horse.
i’m the kind of person that ice is actively hunting down (and was caught back in the 1980’s by ice’s predecessor) and refusing to vote for a pro-empire candidate; trump or not; is the only way to reverse ice’s existence.
ice has been an incoming thing since 2001. the republicans have accelerated it, the democrats are actively refusing to abolish or reverse it, so supporting either democrats or republicans will not reverse it.
Liberal nazification has progressed to the point where “not endorsing the r@pe and genocide of millions” is now “being on a high horse”.
The United States is a strange country. Murder, terrorism and genocide are perfectly normal, but someone who is disgusted by these and refuses to play along is somehow considered weird.
Being able to vote blue no matter who and going back to brunch with the only change being LGBT flavoured concentration camps and bombs going to to Israel must be nice. Blue MAGA mindset is disgusting
So you’ll choose the greater of two evils then? You’d knowingly inflict more suffering on more people so you can maintain some sense of moral superiority?
Or are you a plant, here to intentionally discourage people from choosing the lesser of two evils and lesson overall suffering?
Because, let’s be honest, there not a whole lot USians can actually do in the face of their government. Actually standing up to, and fighting the government which would be the actually best thing, is absolutely terrifying to the average person.
You aren’t asking a big enough question to actually grasp what the lesser evil even is.
The first question you really want to ask is “what is the primary contradiction?” We can discuss what that might be, US hegemony or Western imperialism or neocolonialism, but this will inform our understanding of how we should vote. Only once we identify the primary contradiction should we cast our votes in whatever way will advance the struggle against it.
Let’s say we identify US hegemony as the primary contradiction. Does voting for Harris help advance the struggle against US hegemony? No! She would have been a fine steward of the empire, if she was president the hegemon would be in better shape than it is under Trump and the struggle against it would be even harder.
Trump is wrecking the empire, and in light of this, Trump winning is actually a lesser evil. What we see under Trump is the US pulling back from all of its soft-power while threatening its own allies. Yes, it has become more violent, but the violence isn’t a sign of strength. The US is in a weaker position than it has ever been in my life. All is chaos under heaven, the situation is excellent.
But, if Trump winning was the lesser evil, does that mean we vote for Trump? Also no! It’s important for him to not actually ever be popular within the US, because that also erodes his own legitimacy among the US population and makes the US itself harder to govern. The fact that he “won” with 49.9% of the vote isn’t the best outcome, better would be losing the popular vote again, but it’s still good because forcing USAmericans to confront the weakness of their elections also weakens its position as the hegemon. They look at their own elections, look at Trump winning twice without ever getting a majority, and ask “do we live in a democracy?”
(The answer is no by the way.)
His unpopularity is why there was an uprising against ICE in Minnesota. There wouldn’t even be protests against ICE if Harris was president, and there weren’t under Biden despite him deporting more than Trump in his first term, but under Trump people can easily see what they have always been: colonial occupation troops. Under Democrats the streets are empty, under Trump the people fight back. The BLM uprisings happened under Trump, but it was Bill Clinton that gave us the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 to fill the prisons with Black people. This has to be factored in when we ask what the lesser evil is.
They’re both great evils, so identifying the primary contradiction is the only way we can identify what is to be done.
Notably, this is not accelerationism. The goal here isn’t to make things worse so they get better. The goal is to make the US empire weaker, because we have identified US hegemony as the primary contradiction and that’s what we are struggling against. Revolutionary defeatism, in other words.
The lesser evil is actually a mass armed uprising, but you privileged fascists-in-denial reject that course out of hand because it might personally inconvenience you, and would rather knowingly support Holocaust 2 than lift a finger for humanity.
And how many evil people in power have you killed? Have you taken up arms against your government? Have you attempted to begin organising an uprising?
If it’s the lesser of two evils, be the change you want to see in the world.
But you will never do that for the same reason there hasn’t been a big mass uprising. It’s fucking scary.
You guys always cope any acknowledgement of what’s gonna have to be done with “I will not stop caping for genocide until you provide me your exact actionable information plus detailed plans for insurrection” ok officer, would you prefer a pdf or a text document?
Lets be real, I could give you every detail and you would still look for reasons to decide it pales in comparison to your strategy of uh…going 99% Hitler to win elections and still losing.
Join your local communist party and start organizing with your neighborhood like the rest of us, dude. I promise it’s less scary when you’re not alone. As it stands, you chose evil over courage.
And you’re not achieving shit either.
There’s not a whole lot I can achieve here from Australia. But have you actually done anything that will contribute to change? I somehow doubt it.
You say that “I will not lift a finger to defy genocide until you provide me with detailed plans for insurrection”.
But the fact that you have no plans for insurrection is telling. If you can’t come up with a realistic and actionable plan that a large enough people will go for, how can you expect people to start a resistance? People don’t like uncertainty, that’s just basic human psychology.
If I were American, and people had a realistic and actionable plan I’d like to think I’d be all for it. But after all this time of all the bullshit from the US government and there still not being actual realistic talk of insurrection, might just mean that it’s a little unrealistic.
The Democrats are already guilty of genocide, both parties are the greater evil. Why is it not even an option to try and push the Democrats slightly to the left of fascism?
The choice is more genocide or slightly less genocide. Put forth a reasonable and actionable third option that is better and I’d be all for it. But with the way the US government works, that’s unrealistic. Unless you actually have a realistic and actionable way to change it, that a large enough group will actually go for you have no choice but to work within the shirty system that the government has.
The choice between genocide and slightly less genocide is no choice at all. That’s like asking someone to choose between being stabbed in the lung or the heart. Both are likely to kill you. Any reasonable person in that situation would be doing everything in their power to find another way. Arguing that being stabbed in the lung is somehow the rational choice is ridiculous.
Then fucking present a realistic and actionable third chois? Why is this so difficult? This has been an issue for years, but where are the realistic third options?
You haven’t present one because you can’t. All of your “solutions” or “better options” are either unrealistic on not actionable.
If I were in a situation where I had to pick between being stabbed in the lung or the heart and there are no realistic alternatives that are likely to increase my odds of survival, I’d choose my lung and hope I can get medical attention in time. You’ve basically given a variation of the trolley problem here.
The actionable choice has nothing to do with voting. It has everything to do with organizing, be it in your workplace or your community. You have to create structures that can actually hamstring the power of the state to oppress you and those you care about. You can argue these are unrealistic or not actionable but history shows us that this is actually how progress is made. Even in the US the abolitionist movement, labor movement, and the civil rights movement did not win their demands through strategic voting.
If you want to argue that getting stabbed in the lung is more survivable… okay sure. But you’re an idiot if you think fighting back and trying to disarm your attacker isn’t the rational choice, especially when Americans by and large can’t just pick up and leave. It’s fight or flight but you’re here arguing for people to just accept their demise.
No matter how you spin there’s an obvious worse option because the alternative (including resigning to vote) includes that and more.
Obviously there should be a straight up better option that doesn’t include that but you’ve gotta pick the best option out of those you’re dealt. A small step towards good, even if just a side step is better than leaping head first into the maw of evil. Something your votes do give you some agency over.
If genocide is bipartisan, the lesser evil is whichever will collapse the US the fastest.
That and more being shown in the media
The actual imperial policy doesn’t change.
It’s not even generate a candidate that doesn’t support genocide, it’s literally just not stand in the way of or conspire against such a candidate, but naturally the DNC and their controlled opposition functionaries can’t even manage to do the right thing by doing nothing at all.
new dnc chair totally promises they won’t this time, please pay no attention to their constant and immediate attacks on anyone in dnc trying to move the party left or learn from 2024
“C’mon Charlie, just kick the stupid football blockhead!”
I’m not that sure that history will give a shit about US American Democrats or US American Republicans.
Those labels will be lost. “US American” concentration camps, disappearing citizens, ignoring court orders, death squads … there will be no “oh that was just the Republicans”; it will be “oh that was just the Americans”.
And they will be right to do so. The Dems are fully complicit in enabling this.
The left should protest democrats until they put up good candidates
This meme sums up the US in a big way. No responsibility.
‘Lol but everyone knows midterms and primaries arent important!’
(Proceeds to complain about quality of candidates during the presidential)
It’s less that the midterms and primaries aren’t important, and more that the candidates allowed in them are not even passable.
Maybe we don’t deserve a country if we can’t elect a non corrupt person (from either side).
Maybe you deserve a better system
At this point staying home helps Trump. It’s the fucking reason he’s there. Trump votes stayed consistent with 2020 but Dems votes dropped by millions. You saying Harris would be just as bad? This view is pushed by billionaires to help get fascists elected.
Top Democratic officials who worked on the party’s still-secret autopsy of the 2024 election concluded that Kamala Harris lost significant support because of the Biden administration’s approach to the war in Gaza, Axios has https://web.archive.org/web/20260223002443/https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza
Wow, maybe dont run pro-genocide candidates if you want your base to Vote for you? Or do you think the cult-like devotion of the republicans is a positive democrats should follow?
i fear that they tried to suppress it because they planned on trying the same strategy again in 2028.
Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?
I’m not a US citizen but I still act similar in my local elections - vote for the candidate that will do less evil when they’re in office, if there is no better option. And I gotta hand it to the DNC they’re really amazing at just cutting off their own legs. Because shooting themselves in the knee can’t describe this.
Then again what is the other Option?
Insane levels of Stockholm syndrome on display. “It puts the genocide on the skin, or else it gets the Trump again.”
What should the German people have done when Hitler rose to power? Knowing what we know now, what would have been the best “option” for them?
vote for the candidate that will do less evil when they’re in office, if there is no better option.
Im sorry but thats just a losing strategy, if you dont demand better, you will never get better as a choice
Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?
Or, just run a non-genocidal candidate. For God’s sake, the election is years away, and you just take it as obvious that Democrats will choose a monster
Then again what is the other Option? Not vote for either candidate like in 2024 and let Trump win?
you should always vote and only vote for the most progressive candidate available; do not settle for the lesser evil.
we’ve been voting for the lesser evil for decades and here we are w trump in the white house and so many liberals disaffected by the system that there aren’t even enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference.
Then the Democrats shouldn’t run candidates that will cause millions of people to stay home.
approximately 10 million and the dems still refuses to change their game, but it’ll be worse next time because of epstein and iran… in addition to gaza.
Yeah. That’ll show em!
They will be shown as many times as it takes for you to demand better than blue hitler
it’s not about retribution, it’s about complicity w genocides; wars for profit; and baby raping/killing/eating.
people are slowly becoming disaffected and now there’s so many who won’t participate that aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference.
Dont tell me mate. Tell those stupid voters!
they’re not stupid, they’re disaffected and ignoring why they’re disaffected will lead to more people not voting.
You’re not going to make genocide popular. What we might be able to do is make the DNC run a candidate that people will vote for.
@Salamence 100% accurate
I mean, the DNC supports genocide. Trump is worse, which is really a testament to how phenomally bad he is for just about everyone on the planet. I want progressive democrats on the ballot, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m still going to vote, and I’m going to vote for the least bad option.
be sure to remember that you always have more than 2 options.
With our current voting system, you really don’t, and the third option is rarely a significant upgrade. Ironically, third party candidates have a better chance during midterms because of low voter turnout, especially in local elections. The focus on this particular midterm means it is even harder for downballot third party or independent candidates, because the rank and file are going to show up to the polls.
our voting system is a false dichotomy that’s been manufactured by both the republicans and democrats legally squeezing out alternatives as much as possible and socially manipulating our perceptions of a third option for decades.
As the US Empire continues to decay, and neither party is capable of rescuing it, support for abandoning the system altogether and adopting a new one will rise.
I would have thought you were right, but we’re eyebrow deep in this shit. The human capacity for ignoring a problem in favor of remaining comfortable has shaken my faith in humanity. I hope you’re right.
Americans on average are far better off than is necessary for people to risk trying to overthrow their government. Most of them still have a place to sleep and food to eat. There’s no guarantee that will remain the case indefinitely.
Water boils when you keep heating it. Quantity changes into quality.
voting for any non-progressive candidate perpetuates this system that’s controlled by baby raping/eating/killing oligarchic billionaires.
Not voting for any candidate because none of them are progressive enough perpetuates the same system. How are you helping by not voting for the lesser evil?
“Those who choose the lesser evil are all too quick to forget that they chose evil”
No, I remember, and I’m fighting to remove evil from the next ballot. But I also know I’m not going to be successful, and I’m not naive enough to think that I can fix everything by myself. You can be mad about the choices and still choose.
Explicitly describing genocide as “not progressive enough”
Politics is a spectrum, and theoretically there is a candidate even for you that would still support genocide and also be progressive enough to earn your vote.
Edit: Yes, downvote me, but tell me who you voted for in the most recent election at any level, and I’ll point to the genocide they supported.
No, there isn’t. What a fucking horrific thing to say.
You’re telling me you’ve never voted for a candidate that supports the current Israeli genocide? Are you not an American?
That is a wild self-report
Scratch a liberal…
Seriously
Who did you vote for in the last election? Do you honestly believe you never voted for a candidate that has supported genocide?
There’s always actual progressives on the ballot. It’s just too many have fallen for the “lesser evil” brainwashing that they fail to see it. It’s no different than the red scare crap we’re still trying to kill.
As a lifelong progressive who has voted in every election in the past 26 years, no there are not always actual progressives on the ballot. But your point that we should support them when there is one progressive, even when they cannot hope to win, is also fallacious. Sometimes they could win with our support, and sometimes they could not. Vote accordingly.
there’s always a progressive candidate and you should always vote; just be aware that both the republican and democratic parties are actively perpetuating this system.
There is not always a progressive candidate.
there always is; it’s just that you’re not made aware of the progressive candidate’s existence.
in cases where it doesn’t seem like there’s one, you have to search for him/her/them yourself.
I believe you can make the case for either option (lesser evil or third party) and either is definitely better than not voting, but I’m of the view that voting is a negligible part of our political involvement that gets too much attention, organizing is a lot more necessary and effective, otherwise things will never improve
Absolutely this is a critical point. If you want better candidates, create them. Forge them and support them. Attend townhalls and demand answers from candidates. That’s the time to shape the race. Once you enter the voting booth, it’s far too late to try to fix everything with one choice.
I like the quote from Gandhi, “Whatever you do in life will be insignificant but it is very important that you do it…” I think that applies to voting. One vote may be insignificant, or it may be everything. You won’t know, and you may never know for sure. But if you don’t vote, it is definitely nothing.
@themeatbridge yep
voting is not a marriage proposal, it’s a chess move towards a better future.
I still want everyone at the DNC leadership to choke and die, soonest.
chess moves implies control and voting for the lesser evil isn’t a strategic move; it’s just hoping that the piece you think you’re forced to move does the least amount of damage.
@eldavi you likely don’t understand chess. Or what “strategic” means.
the majority have been employing your chess strategy for decades and here we with so many people not voting that there aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up the difference anymore.
end the game while there’s still time before climate change to fucks everyone.
Given the last few decades, you clearly suck at chess
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